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Orlando Magic 116, Cleveland Cavaliers 114 (OT): The Morning After

  • UPDATE 4: Ben Q. Rock was able to speak with Anthony Johnson before the game and asked him a few questions. Check out what Dad had to say. 
  • Brian Schmitz notes that a piece of Orlando's past (Shaq) was witness to a piece of Orlando's future (Dwight), as the Magic defeated the Cavaliers:
    Appropriately enough, a living, breathing 7-foot timeline of the franchise's past and present sat a few feet from the court.



    The Orlando Magic crept within one victory on Tuesday night of making it to the NBA Finals, their first appearance since a certain onlooker named Shaquille O'Neal led the team to the title round in 1995.

    In a fiercely played classic, the Magic defeated the Cleveland Cavaliers 116-114 in overtime at Amway Arena to take a commanding 3-1 lead in the Eastern Conference finals.

The Magic now have three chances to knock out the league's best regular-season team and end the club's 13-year dry spell, much of it coming after Shaq exited as a free agent a year after being swept in the title round by the Houston Rockets.
  • Mike Bianchi sums up what Howard and the Magic need to do in Game 5:
    One more win.



    If Dwight wants to be treated like the superstar he is, he must now finish off this series against the NBA's ultimate superstar.
  • George Diaz states the obvious with Orlando, yet it's so surreal reading it:
    The Magic are a victory away from going to the NBA Finals for the first time since the 1995 season when the franchise rode the shoulders of a playful giant to a championship chase that sputtered against Houston.

    Crazy, right? 

  • Kyle Hightower talks about Marcin Gortat, the 'Polish Hammer', and his contribution to the team, as well as get some quotes from the Polish native:
    He had two blocks on James in Game 3 and helped the Magic hang on to the lead and the win with quality minutes after Howard got his fourth foul in the third quarter. [...]

    "I don't even know how to compare it," Gortat said. "It's like having an Escalade and beating a Ferrari. ... I got over 30 messages [after Game 3] and most of them were about blocking LeBron rather than winning the game. But I just look at it as it's more important to help stop LeBron from getting to the basket and getting dunks.

"

    "After the second block he looked at me and I could read his face and it was like 'Next time I'm going to dunk on you.' So I'm waiting for that."



    As to what his signature season might do for his prospects this summer and beyond, Gortat said right now he's just living in the moment.



    "There's such a big pressure right now with everything is going on," he said. "I really don't know what's going to happen. Right now I'm just trying to focus on the game. And trust me, right now there is nothing else in my head except trying to block LeBron James [again]. That's the only thing I'm thinking right now."

    Whatever happens with Gortat during the off-season, I wish him all the best .. he deserves to be rewarded monetarily. The dude has put in the hard work.

  • Andrea Adelson states how Cleveland head coach Mike Brown has been having a difficult time trying to game-plan for Superman in the series.
  • The Orlando Sentinel was able to chat it up with TNT's Kenny Smith and Ernie Johnson before the game last night. Check it out. Here's a choice excerpt from the transcript:
    How does Orlando rank in terms of crowd excitement compared to other cities?


    Kenny: They're good. I would say middle of the pack honestly. Cleveland is definitely No. 1. Their pregame rituals and hype ... I thought it was corny until I was there. They're at the top of the list right now. 



    Ernie: They got pretty excited [after Game 3]. I don't come down here pretty often. It's so hard on a playoff night, all places get loud. I think Utah is kind of the gold standard. We did a few games in Sacramento when [Chris] Webber was there; they had cowbells.

    A fair assessment, in my opinion. The O-rena certainly has its moments.

  • UPDATE 3: Dwight posts on his official blog, today, about the road ahead:
    We’re so, so close to playing for that championship in the Finals, but now is no time to celebrate because really we haven’t done anything yet. We’ve won three games, but you don’t get anything for that. If you think winning last night was hard, t rying to close out the Cavs at The Q will be super hard and we know it. That’s a good team that won 66 games and they aren’t going down without a fight.
  • UPDATE 5: David Steele analyzes the Magic's win over the Cavaliers and shares a cool exchange that occurred once the game was over:
    Immediately after the thrilling conclusion of game, Alston was making his way over to the courtside broadcast area for a live network interview when he was momentarily delayed by one of his teammates. It was Jameer Nelson, who had tracked Rafer across the floor, offering a congratulatory hug. You know Nelson would give almost anything to be on the court, helping his team on this remarkable march through the playoffs. But there are other ways to be a leader, and Jameer demonstrated one of them by reaching out to the man who has stepped into the spotlight that could have been shining on him.
  • For a Cavs perspective on Game 4, check out Cavs: The BlogFear The Sword, and WaitingForNextYear.
Click after the jump to see what the national media had to say about Game 4. 

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  • Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com states that Dwight Howard made the superstar plays, even if he didn't get the superstar calls. 
  • Henry Abbott of TrueHoop lays out his eight thoughts concerning Game 4, yesterday. 
  • Kevin Arnovitz of TrueHoop examines Dwight's performance in overtime: 
    The broad narrative of Game 4 will be about Dwight Howard's arrival as a closer, the night he lorded his physical gift s over everyone on the court when it mattered the most. Will it also be the point on the chronological axis when getting the ball to Dwight Howard started to matter? Maybe, maybe not. That's a trend that should play out for at least a full season before it's declared meaningful, but you think Dwight Howard cares about sample sizes?
  • Tim Keown of ESPN's Page 2 talks about the issue surrounding the perceived disrespect towards the Orlando Magic (and the Denver Nuggets, too) in the Eastern Conference Finals:
    Outside of Orlando, there was very little attention paid to the Magic's ability to take a series lead while keeping their act together in the face of some strange officiating and the game's brutally inconsistent pace.

    Before that game, Stan Van Gundy said, "I don't even think most of the nation knows we're in this series. I think this is the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James series and who they're playing against is incidental." Nothing much has changed. There are only two pertinent questions after a Cavs loss: (1) what more could LeBron have done to lead his team to victory? and (2) what more could LeBron's teammates have done to make it easier for him to lead his team to victory?
  • TIm Povtak of NBA Fanhouse recaps the Magic's win over the Cavaliers and explains how Rafer Alston was able to step up for Orlando last night:
    Alston became one of the unlikely heroes Tuesday night when the Magic beat the Cavs, 116-114, in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference final, delivering a career playoff high 26 points.

    The Cavs made the same mistake that Philadelphia made in the first round and Boston made in the second round, leaving Alston open to help defensively on the Magic stars. And as usual, Alston made them pay, bringing back memories of his playground days when he become the legendary "Skip-to-my-Lou.''

    He made 10 of 17 shots and six of 12 from 3-point range, scoring 20 of his points in the second half after playing only nine minutes because in the first half because of early foul trouble.
  • During the Magic's win, Howard got hit with his sixth technical foul. Question is, will the tech stand? Orlando plans on appealing the call:
    "You do start to feel like he's a marked man. That's a pretty tough technical foul to get,'' Van Gundy said. "You start to feel like they really are looking for him. Varejao grabs him by the shoulders going up. To me, that's a bigger problem than him making noises when he makes the basket. I guess there is no problem grabbing a guy by the neck, but if you celebrate the basket, that's a bigger problem.''

    Howard, who got a technical in Game 3 for saying something toward the Cavs bench, said he was surprised by the technical Tuesday, especially after promising tha t he would keep his mouth shut and his elbow in to avoid one.

    "All I was doing was playing with emotion,'' Howard said. "I wasn't taunting anyone. It was a tough play. He grabbed me around the neck, but I made the shot anyway. I understand the consequences. I might really have to use the duct tape [on my mouth] now.''
  • Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm chimes in on the game between Orlando and Cleveland:
    The Magic didn’t play that well tonight.

    No, really. Check the box. Out-rebounded. Out-hustled. More turnovers. Allowed big runs. Gave up 40+ to LeBron again. Allowed 110.7 offensive efficiency. Got to the line fewer times. Let Delonte West get off a little bit. Gave up easy buckets to Varejao.

    But that’s the thing with this Magic team. They play terrific basketball for three games, take two out of three with clutch play, defense, and focus. And in the fourth game,w hen they don’t have those things going?

    They can just shoot the freaking lights out. [...]

    How big was Big Baby Jesus [Dwight Howard] tonight? Backed down Varejao, dunk. Back down Varejao, score. Back down, draw the foul, knock down free throws. Block LeBron, cause the tie-up. Huge. He played with poise, he played with power, he was dominant. The Cavs had focused on keeping him down all game, they sacrificed the perimeter and the Magic hit a Conference Finals record number of threes. They shifted to the perimeter in overtime, and Howard murdered them inside. What are you gonna do? HOW MANY WEAPONS CAN THEY HAVE? [...]

    Let’s be clear on something. The Magic can shoot better from the arc than they did tonight. I’ve seen it. So’s Cleveland, but they’ll claim they don’t remember that game. They hit more tonight, but they shot better in April. My point is that I hear Cleveland fans talking about Orlando just being hot. This isn’t hot. Over 50% from the arc is hot for them. This is consistent for them. The issue coming in was whether Orlando would be able to create a quality look inside a possssion. They haven’t. They’ve created several. And they get their choice of which shot to hit. Do not doubt that Orlando can keep up this pace. Doubt that they can’t hit higher, and that they can’t win when they don’t shoot that well. Their slump game was Game 3. And they won. [...]

    I liked Cleveland in this game. I like Cleveland in the next game. But the Magic are the better team, and it’s not really close.
  • Bethlehem Shoals of the Sporting Blog posits the result of Game 4:
    But then again, how exactly is any team supposed to beat the Magic when they make almost half of their three-pointers, aren't shy about shooting them, and then have Dwight Howard just go nuts in the paint in overtime? Forget about adjusting to keep Howard in motion; the big man just took it down in the post and overpowered Anderson Varejao. Oh, and Howard even made two key free throws late. Granted, the Magic won Game 4 by only two points -- a 116-114 overtime thriller -- and LeBron got a decent look at another miracle three. James, however, is getting by one brilliant play at a time, while the Magic are just getting better and better at playing their game.
  • Steve Aschburner of Sports Illustrated writes an open letter to Orlando fans after the team was able to inch closer to an NBA Finals appearance with yesterday's victory:
    The NBA wants LeBron-Kobe because it would mean fat ratings for its game telecasts and an easy boost in jersey sales and global popularity, which actually might be the same thing. ABC and ESPN want it because those ratings points can translate into advertising dollars. Sponsors want it because the money they spend on commercial time (and big endorsement fees to those two players in particular) more likely will be returned to them, plus, in sales of sneakers and vitamin-laced bottled water. Pro basketball fans want LeBron-Kobe because it is a natural extension of the playful debate -- who's better? -- that has raged for a while now. Casual fans want it because it makes the NBA accessible to them, reducing to a simple best-of-seven series between one first-name guy and another first-name guy after about eight months and more than 1,300 regular- and postseason games. You folks in O-Town know all about the marketing value of above-the-marquee types, from Shaq and Penny to Mickey and Donald. [...]

    For all of the above reasons, the subversive, underdog part of me wants to see Orlando face Denver in the Finals. I admire the Cavs and Lakers, I marvel at the on-court magnificence of James and Bryant and I want those teams and fans to have a fair (but no better than fair) chance of realizing their dreams, too. Like a lot of you, I especially feel for sports fans in Cleveland. In fact, I sent an almost identical letter to Cavs fans during the Bulls' run of Eastern Conference dominance, sharing their frustrations when their club was running smack into Michael Jordan and his vastly superior marketability year after year. Of course, they never got it; the flight carrying that letter went through O'Hare.

    Still, when something feels too pat -- and this sure does, just like those videotaped conversations between Kevin Garnett and Bill Russell last spring that aired during earlier rounds, well before Boston qualified for the Finals -- it can start to seem less than legitimate. When someone wants something too much, it's only natural to look hard at the motives. The NBA has only its networks and its announcers to thank for this, for jumping the gun and pushing an outcome that isn't close to being decided.
  • Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated elaborates on last night's proceedings. 
  • UPDATE: Johnny Ludden of Yahoo! Sports discusses Dwight's herculean effort in overtime. 
  • UPDATE 2: Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie offers his assessment of yesterday's game:
    Even with the nail-biting, the Magic pulled out a deserved win. This team clearly has matchup advantages in every nook and cranny that count, something that we saw in the regular season, and it has carried over into the postseason.

    Lots of role players, ‘ere. Dwight Howard's role is that of the superstar-in-training. He's still training, because your all-timers don't make a choice to wheel back and taunt their defeated opponent after using their skills to top them with a superior move. Especially when you've accrued five technical fouls in only 15 playoff games prior to this one, and two will knock you out for an entire contest.

    But he also destroyed the Cavs. Inside and out, because this guy was tossing perfect pin-point passes to his teammates (four assists), including a dish to Rafer Alston in the first quarter, leading him right into his shooting motion, that Steve Nash would have been proud of. Anyone else miss Steve Nash? Does anybody remember laughter?

    "Out," also, because he kept up the pressure on the Cleveland perimeter D. Howard may have allowed a few too many hoop forays in regulation, Doug Collins continually pointed that out, and it's a fair criticism, but Howard made up for it even in a game where Cleveland tossed in about 111 points per 100 possessions. And "inside," because he absolutely took it to the Cleveland D in the first quarter, and finished it off in overtime. 27 points on 16 shots, 7-9 from the free throw line, 14 rebounds, fo ur assists, only two turnovers, a steal, and three blocks in 49 minutes. That'll do.
    I don't agree with Dwyer that Howard was taunting. Dwight was so emotional on the and-one play against Anderson Varejao that he had to let it out. Can a guy scream, at least? Emotions run high sometimes, just it be.
  • UPDATE 6: Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus delves into the matchup between the Magic and the Cavaliers:
    The funny thing about Howard's star turn in overtime is that he was clearly overshadowed through regulation by Orlando's unstoppable shooting. The Magic made 17 threes in 38 attempts, getting six from Rafer Alston and five from Mickael Pietrus off the bench. You could argue that Orlando will continue the hot shooting, or that it is impressive that Cleveland nearly overcame the three-point deficit to win on the road. I've decided I don't believe either school of thought. It's simply something that happened, and it has little or no relation to what will take place in Game Five or the rest of the series.

    Of course, those threes do relate to Howard, and the Cavaliers' desire to keep him from getting free in the paint, leaving open looks on the perimeter. The Magic got a little trigger-happy down the stretch. Some of the threes they did try in the closing minutes of regulation were good looks that didn't fall, while others (Pietrus' miss from the corner with seven seconds left, which could have been devastating had Howard not created a second chance, stands out as a notable example) were forced, possibly in no small part because the longball had been going earlier.

    The difference between these two teams in this series is nowhere near as large as a 3-1 advantage for Orlando makes it appear. Through the first four games, the teams are separated by 12 points, so there's no reason to believe Cleveland can't win the remaining three games. This series is a long way from over, and once again it is the Cavaliers' turn to answer.
  • UPDATE 7: Elias Sports Bureau, Inc. reveals how clutch Rashard Lewis has been in the fourth quarter:
    Rashard Lewis scored 10 points, including two three-pointers, in the fourth quarter of the Magic's 116-114 overtime win over the Cavaliers. Lewis ranks second in the NBA with a total of 107 fourth-quarter points during the 2009 playoffs, trailing only Kobe Bryant (121). Lewis has made 12 three-point field goals in the fourth quarter, to rank third behind the co-leaders, J.R. Smith and Ray Allen (13).
Make sure to check out this post every few hours for updates.

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All im wondering is

Which Magic team will show up? The team that absolutely dominated the Celtics in the last game to close the series out, or the team from Game 4? Theyre definitely in trouble if they play like they did yesterday. Cleveland is going to be playing with fire in their eyes.

by Kennedy K on May 27, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trouble? The Magic won yesterday ..

.. the Cavaliers will come to play in Game 5, but Orlando has beaten them in every tactical manner. I agree with some people that stated Mike Brown has exhausted all his options. There’s not much else he can do.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing

That is the beauty of series, the better team wins.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on May 27, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lead from the start

we have to jump on cle right out the gate and never let go. we need no lapses in play or enthusiasm. just 48 mins of intelligent heads up basketball anchored by solid defense and are changes look wonderful

by nowuseemenowudont on May 27, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering if

Dwight’s Technical gets rescinded. What a horrible call! But, a fantastic game.

-Anyone else say “Thats a bad shot Skip….Great shot Skip!” every time he shot the ball?

-That last shot by LeBron was waaay too close.

-Air France, Courtney Lee, Marcin Gortat, Anthony Johnson. Role players are stepping up and thats been a huge difference in this series.

Go Magic!

by L Magico on May 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For me my normal reaction is

“That’s a good look Skip…why can’t you make that Skip?” He’s had plenty of open shots this post-season…he just finally started making the other team pay.

by Lee for three on May 27, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts.

- It may .. there’s certainly been precedent for rescinding technicals (see Kenyon Martin).
- Not last night .. Rafer needed to keep shooting, given how filthy he was playing.
- Too close.
- Yep. The bench stepped up again, last night.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one shot

at the end of the fourth early in the shot clock i didnt agree with. other than that, he had the hot hand so i figured why not. peaches did pass up an open three at one point also to feed alston for one and i didnt agree with that

by nowuseemenowudont on May 27, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evolving Play?

I am hoping that what we have been watching in this series is an evolution of this team’s play and that you guys may soon need to change the name of this blog (kidding). I am really hoping that the Cleveland fans will get to witness the same Magic team that played the Cavs at Amway on April 3. And I have abandoned any hope of sleeping until the play-offs are over. Go Magic!

Just another Magic fan
Lori

by lorisays on May 27, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope so, too.

.. Game 5 is going to be a tough game, but I’m sure Orlando will be up to the task.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The we will be too

We’ll be old and rest later.

Just another Magic fan
Lori

by lorisays on May 27, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

I love the way the Magic switched things up in OT. Three point barrage all game, then pound it down low in OT. The Cavs just couldn’t keep up. Good thing too because Lebron almost willed the Cavs to a win anyways.

by RussL on May 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

.. just a good adjustment.

Dwight was playing angry in OT, and it showed .. he flat out dominated in the extra frame.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody on this team has become a clutch player.

Every single guy has come in and made clutch plays when needed. It really has been a great team effort. Down the stretch these guys have tremendous resolve to get the job done. Fun to watch. They will not quit.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on May 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great quote from Gortat
And trust me, right now there is nothing else in my head except trying to block LeBron James

LeBron’s in trouble. Marcin doesn’t have to ration out his fouls. He’ll put you on your ass.

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by big aaron on May 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everybody in my office says I have a little glow today

They finally get what I’ve been telling them. The Magic will win this series. I know a lot of you don’t want to hear that yet, but it’s true. When the Magic play at their highest level the Cavs can not stop them. I know it, you know, and both these teams no it.

One win away from going to the finals. If they win in Cleveland I want to be there when the plane touches down. I’m hoping I’m not the only one, this team deserves a grand return.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, history is certainly in Orlando's favor. Just need the Magic to finish the job now.

If the team can do it in Cleveland, the coaches and players certainly deserve a ‘grand return’.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nike claims we are all witnesses of King James

Last night, Shaq was witness of his old team kicking *.

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by Orlando Rays on May 27, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is from Jonny Ludden's column and I think it best describes how it's almost impossible to beat the Magic unless you have someone who can check him 1-on-1.

“So the Cavs laid off Howard to start Tuesday, and he made them pay, scoring 11 points in the first six minutes. They went back to double-teaming him for much of the next three quarters, and Howard scored just six more points before the start of overtime. Still, all the attention he drew freed the Magic shooters, most notably Rafer Alston and Mickael Pietrus, who combined to make 11 3-pointers.”

Then they went back to one-on-one in OT and Howard destroyed them. From the fourth quarter of game 6 against Boston until now this team is playing with as much intensity and focus as it has all year. I know the series isn’t over, but it’s these reasons why I’m confident we will close this out and advance.

by Lee for three on May 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That paragraph sums up the series, to be honest.

You single-cover Dwight, he kills you. You double-team Dwight, the team kills you. Granted, this works against the Cavaliers because of the advantage Superman has over Ilgauskas, Varejao, etc.

It’s all about matchups.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess here's the big question...

DSK, did you wear the hoodie last night or did we get that win on our own? lol

by Lee for three on May 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He wore the hoodie. Heh.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hah. Fo sho.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game 5

I have a feeling this game will be like game 7 against Boston. Magic do not want to give Lebron any more chances. Our hearts cannot survive any more last second shots by LJ.

Magic show up with their game face and take control from start which eventually will put too much pressure on the Cavs showing them that a comeback is futile!

by O-Town MagiCane on May 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope so.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about the eight turnovers from LeBron...

…seven of which came in the fourth quarter and overtime.

Great job by the Magic forcing James into so many turnovers.

"Why not us... why not now?"

by Mike from Illinois on May 27, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's an eye-popping stat when you note the occurrences of the turnovers.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure, yeah.

I would need to take a look at a game log to confirm, though. I distinctly remember one of LBJ’s turnovers being a pass that went to Delonte West, but Rafer Alston swiped it away. Big play.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I don't get it..

Is why the media is killing Lebron saying he is no Kobe? I think he is better, but even if is not better then Kobe, there is nothing wrong with being the 2nd best Player in the World.. How is IT Kobe or Bust?? Seems OFF..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on May 27, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LeBron is better than Kobe.

I mean, seriously, there’s no debate.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

That debate is endless, Lebron is playing out of his mind, but I think Kobe has matured to the point where he realizes that he can’t have the ball/stats for his team to win. That said Lebron is amazing, but I don’t like comparing them. Just a month ago Wade was in the mix, it is too much of a peak and valley judgement call, let’s call it when all is said and done (a.k.a. let’s not motivate Kobe to outdo Lebron if we have to play him soon…)

by Eric9321 on May 27, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeBron and Wade are in the same echelon. Kobe, statistically, isn't.

As for your last sentence, touche.

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by erivera7 on May 27, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

In Kobe’s prime without Shaq. He missed the playoffs one year and had a 1st round exit the next year. It wasn’t until JWest ex-laker great traded them Gasol before retiring that he did anything. Kobe’s team got better not Kobe.

Lebron is the better player, on the weaker team.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on May 28, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

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by erivera7 on May 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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