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Orlando Magic 99, Cleveland Cavaliers 89: The Morning After

  • UPDATE 3: Ben Q. Rock snags a few quotes from head coach Stan Van Gundy and LBJ before the game. Check it out. Certainly worth the read. 
  • Brian Schmitz notes that LeBron James, despite his best efforts, was unable to save Cleveland from losing another game to Orlando yesterday:
    King James got all the shots he wanted, but this time most of them weren't as blessed as the Orlando Magic beat the Cavs 99-89 in Game 3 to take a 2-1 lead in the Eastern Conference finals.



    Beaten by King James on a miraculous 3-point shot with one second left on Friday night, the Magic gave up 41 points to him this time in a bruising defensive wrestling match.



    James missed 17-of-28 shots and the Cavs shot just 37.2 percent, including 5-of-26 (19.2 percent) from the 3-point line.

    The Magic shot just 42.9 percent, but showed no effects from being beaten by LeBron's buzzer-beater, finally starting fast and holding off King James and the Cavs.


  • George Diaz states that the Magic aren't just happy to be at the Eastern Conference Finals against the Cavaliers, the team is trying to win the series (shocking, I know):
    "Not only are we confident," Magic guard Rafer Alston said, "we're a tough cover when you have one of the most dominant big men in the game and we've got a lot of shooters."



    Upstarts. Immature. Not Ready.

    These are all annoying buzz words in the Magic locker room. No matter what gets said publicly, no competitive athlete likes to have this pop psychology thrown at their face.



    "It does add fuel to the fire to try to prove everybody wrong," Lewis said. "You want to go out there and prove a point, but at the same time, they were the best team in the Eastern Conference and we're right behind them."
  • Andrea Adelson talks about Mo Williams and the elbow to the face he took from Anthony Johnson, that required some stitches for the Cleveland player:
    Williams has struggled for the entire Eastern Conference Finals against the Magic. In Cleveland's 99-89 loss in Game 3 on Sunday, Williams started off well but took the nasty hit late in the second quarter as he tried to defend Johnson from making a shot.

    He needed four stitches to close cuts above and below his left eye, and was briefly taken to the locker room for treatment. When asked whether the hit was a cheap shot, Williams replied, "Most definitely." 

    [...] "I've got bigger fish to fry. I've got to figure out how to make some shots. I could care less about Anthony Johnson. He plays 12 minutes a game, I could care less."
  • Kyle Hightower explains how Orlando was able to get off to a quick start in last night's game, thanks in some part to Rafer Alston. 
  • UPDATE 4: Dwight Howard posts on his official blog about yesterday:
    I told ya’ll the other day that we find it really disrespectful that everybody seems to be pulling for LeBron and Kobe to get to the Finals. Every time I look at TV, it seems like that’s all anybody is talking about. It’s like nobody is even giving us a shot at winning this series and we’ve used it as motivation.

    W e’re up 2-to-1 and we have a long way to go vs. the Cavs, but hopefully we can mess up those plans of getting Cleveland and L.A. in the Finals. If the lil’ ol’ Magic make it, what will they say then?

    We really, really think we have the team and the talent to win a championship this year. Nobody out there on ESPN thinks that we can do it, but we think we have everything that it takes right now to bring that ‘ship back to O-town.[...]

    We’ve got to get two more wins, but we really think we can win this series. If we move the ball to keep their bigs on the run, defend and rebound, we feel like we can beat anybody. We play like that, we can do it this year. People laughed a couple of years ago when I talked about bringing a championship to Orlando. But if we keep playing the right way, anything is possible now.
  • UPDATE 6: David Steele analyzes the Magic's win over the Cavaliers. 
  • For a Cavs perspective on Game 3, check out Cavs: The BlogFear The Swordand WaitingForNextYear.

Click after the jump to see what the national media had to say about Game 3. 

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  • Tim Povtak of NBA Fanhouse recaps last night's proceedings between Orlando and Cleveland ...
    Dwight Howard didn't win this one with his thunderous dunks, or his natural shot-blocking ability, two skills in which he led the NBA this season.

    He won it with his free-throw shooting.

    Seriously. No kidding.

    The Magic took a 2-1 lead in the Eastern Conference final Sunday night with a 99-89 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers, riding the free-throw shooting – yes, free-throw shooting -- of Howard.

    ... points out that Dwight Howard is close to getting suspended, again and surmises that there appears to be bad blood brewing between the Magic and the Cavaliers, especially after the Williams incident.

  • David Whitley of NBA Fanhouse suggests Orlando may be beginning to prove that it is the better team than Cleveland, in this series. 
  • Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com believes that the Magic have gone from the underdog to the favorite against the Cavaliers. Sort of: 
    So now we have a series in which the underdog has clearly become the favorite, Orlando's matchup advantages posing so many difficulties for Cleveland that we could very easily be sitting at 3-0, on the verge of a sweep, if not for a certain "biggest shot of my life" that James sank from 3-point range at the buzzer to give the Cavs' their Game 2 victory.

    That Kobe-LeBron matchup that everyone has been touting as an inevitability, the one that has inspired commercials, arguments and endless variations of comparisons between the two?

    Might not happen, folks.

    And even worse for Cavs fans, that hype is actually fueling the Magic's desire.

    "Do we find it disrespectful that they're counting us out? Yeah," Howard said. "But that's nothing we can control."
  • Henry Abbott of TrueHoop lists six thoughts he had about the Orlando / Cleveland matchup, yesterday. Here's choice excerpts from the post:
    Cavalier Coach Mike Brown did something pretty slick in the second quarter: Just when Stan Van Gundy was resting the Magic regulars, Brown inserted LeBron James. And the Cavaliers ripped off an 11-0 run. It was the only stretch of the game when Cleveland clearly outclassed Orlando. Hedo Turkoglu's agent (he'll be a free agent soon!) would like to point out that the run started when Turkoglu was benched, and ended only when he returned. That's a big part of the reason why, despite shooting 1-11 from the floor with three turnovers, Turkoglu ended the game an impressive +20, to go with his 11-12 from the free throw line, 13 points, 10 rebounds and seven assists.

    [...] I don't know who it was at the Magic that made the final call on selecting Courtney Lee with last summer's 22nd pick, but they have to be feeling pretty good now. This rookie is a key factor in the Eastern Conference Finals. On the season he's making better than 40% of his 3-pointers, he has speed like Rip Hamilton, and he's one of a tiny handful of players to be go-to defenders in their first season of NBA action. And most importantly, he almost never turns the ball over. With no give-aways, and good defense, there's almost do downside to keeping Lee on the floor.

    [...] The referees were extremely evident. This series has been, generally, among the most enjoyable to watch in NBA history. But 86 free throw attempts in Game 3 (four more than in the first two games combined) went a long way to bringing down the fun factor. The Magic shot a whopping 51 times from the stripe, which would seem to indicate they got the better referee treatment. But the Magic's star, Dwight Howard, had six fouls, none of which were very convincing. I'd like to see HD slow motion replay of all six back-to-back. He fouled out of the game on a tremendously clean block. Meanwhile (I invite anyone who has the urge to assemble video to check me on this) LeBron James appeared to have significantly more leeway.

    I'd add that Howard got hacked multiple times in the paint on purpose, which is why the free-throw disparity was skewed in Orlando's favor last night.

  • Kevin Arnovitz of TrueHoop elaborates, with detail, the first 10 offensive possessions of the game for the Magic and shows why Orlando is such a difficult team to defend. 
  • Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated thinks last night's game has proven that the Magic should be considered serious contenders to win an NBA Title. On behalf of Orlando fans, forgive me while I say 'duh' .. better to be late to the party, than to never show up. Right?
  • Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm chimes in on the game yesterday:
    Meanwhile, Howard is becoming a MAN on the court in this series. Anybody can block shots and throw down dunks (well, okay, not anybody, but lots of guys). But hitting clutch free throws and drawing fouls inside? That’s big time, right there. There’s a compelling story coming IF the Magic can finish the job.
  • UPDATE: Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie offers his assessment of Game 3:
    This is Orlando's series to lose. It was that way entering the series, and it remains that way after taking two of the first three. The Magic knew coming into the Conference finals that they had Cleveland's number in terms of matchups, they remember the regular season, and they knew about being battle-tested after struggling to down the 76ers and Celtics (who, say it with me, "had matchup advantages" over the Magic).

    And Orlando played a smart game. They went to Rashard Lewis, early. Hedo Turkoglu kept shooting even when the makes weren't there, but he didn't shoot too damn much. Mickael Pietrus threw an on-court hissy fit in the first half after Courtney Lee didn't throw him an alley-oop pass on a fast break (hitting Marcin Gortat , instead, who missed both free throws), but Pietrus got his act together and didn't play a selfish second half as a result.

    [...] Anthony Johnson hit Mo Williams with an elbow that was completely and utterly unintentional. Every replay showed it. Johnson is hardly an elite athlete at this level, so he needs to gather himself and flail wildly just get up enough strength to even get a shot off, and sometimes that involves awkward elbows. No malice.

    Now, the refs originally called it a flagrant two. After talking, they called it a flagrant one, which will likely be rescinded today or tomorrow. And those two free throws that Williams hit as a result? Those were made up for, soon after, with a foul on Big Z. These things even out if at all possible, the refs make sure of it, but we're going to hear bitching and moaning about it until Game 4.
  • UPDATE 2: Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus elaborates on yesterday's matchup between the Magic and the Cavaliers:
    In this game, the Magic wasn't exactly shooting the lights out either. With Hedo Turkoglu shooting 1-for-11 from the field, Orlando shot 42.9 percent as a team and had just six free throws. The sole reason the Magic was able to score at a very respectable offensive clip was the team's parade to the free throw line. Taking full advantage of a tightly-whistled affair, the Magic shot 51 free throws. Nearly three out of every 10 offensive plays included a free throw. Turkoglu attempted 12, the reason he was able to score 13 points as part of a double-double (he added 10 rebounds and seven assists), while Howard got to the line 19 times and made a very respectable 14 of them.

    I especially enjoyed the way Orlando used Howard. He was frequently the roll man on the pick-and-roll knowing full well that the Cavaliers would take away his path to the basket. What forcing Ilgauskas to help against the ballhandler did was allow Howard to establish deep post position that essentially forced Cleveland to send him to the line. So it was that Howard scored 24 points despite being limited to 28 minutes by foul trouble of his own.
  • UPDATE 5: Johnny Ludden of Yahoo! Sports talks about Game 3 yesterday:
    Somewhere at 30,000 feet, the Orlando Magic escaped LeBron James. They had replayed the shot in their heads on the flight home, over and over, torturing themselves until all they could do was laugh. Hadn’t they already done the heartbreak story? Andre Iguodala. Thaddeus Young. Big Baby Davis.

    Take a number, LeBron. Get in line. Hell of a shot, nice highlight, but c’mon. This wasn’t the first dagger to pierce these Magic. Just one more superficial wound.

    By now, everyone should know the Magic heal pretty quickly. If not, Sunday night offered the greatest proof yet. Shrugging off the sting of their last-second loss in Cleveland, the Magic pushed around the Cavaliers in a 99-89 victory at Amway Arena that gives them a 2-1 lead and control of the Eastern Conference finals.

Make sure to check out this post every few hours for updates.

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Ludden wrote:
Once again, LeBron is searching for LeHelp.

"There’s only one of me," James said in the locker room shortly before Game 3. "… If I could clone myself, we’d be all right."

well…that sounds like finger-pointing to me…

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

more ‘narcissistic’ than ‘finger pointing’ if you ask me.

"Cognitive Science is the creationism of Psychology"
- B.F. Skinner, making me laugh

- Jorge M.

by first half surge on May 25, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not finger-pointing. LeBron was joking around when he made that comment.

.. easy to make it sound like something else when you take the quote out of context.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let’s get real, man. he doesn’t want to come across as a “dick” because he’s America’s newest sweetheart; hence his “laughter.” but that’s supposed to suggest mere jesting? not! he is blaming his teammates for losing. it isn’t hard to see.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You weren't in the locker room.

My colleague was and he noted that James was being funny, making comments like those above. You can interpret the quotes however you want, but I wouldn’t read into it too much, IMO.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was joking, but not really...

He laughed, but he meant what he said. That being said, who cares? It’s obvious to every other person on Earth that LeBron isn’t getting any help from his teammates – do you think it’s not obvious to him? I have no problem with LeBron being confident and saying these types of things. He’s the best in the world and he’s earned that right. (And those questions are rhetorical, not directed at you Eddy)

by Zach McCann on May 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know. I'm just saying LeBron was being funny (just stating an observation) ..

.. or trying to, at least, to mask his true feelings about the support from his team.

You’re right. He’s the best player on the planet and he has the right to question aloud.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've made the same jokes playing pickup ball

It’s a joke, but there is truth to it. It sucks when you get no help from your teammates.

One Freaken Second

by magic fanatic on May 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know!!

But a JOKE is went EVERYBODY laught!
Didnt saw many cavass laughting after those jokes(?)

BTW!! i said that we would win by atleast 10 point(make some money too; )) and tho some ppl said it was umprobable, it did happen!! History, my friends, is a biachess!! lol

Hate went been a fan is better than trying to make a god of a player. (Sarcasin)

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by Aleta on May 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you’re right, and as captain of the team, LeBron should be critical of his, albeit in direct fashion. no need for comedy. what’s more, there’s nothing funny about losing a game or being a miracle shot away from being on the verge of being swept. this is where he should demonstrate the maturity that he’s shown his entire career by being straight-forward and dead serious about his criticism. he needs to address his teammates privately, and if he so wishes, publicly as well. but do it directly, without the nonsense. otherwise, the joke will be on him when this thing is over.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

after the game, he also said Pietrus was an active defender but

“nobody in the league should be able guard me.” It is what it is, and he is what he is, the greatest player in the league and being a pompous ass comes with that territory.

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on May 25, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's right, though.

Hah .. no one should be able to guard him.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should is the operative word. Peaches is and doing a good job.

But he’s right nobody can actually stop him.Slow him down is all.

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on May 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whether he is the “greatest player in the league” is debatable. this guy in the west coast has something to say about that…24.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you know what? he has good reason to blame them. they have been pretty bad. they’ve shot very poorly.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's because the Magic defense, which was #1 in defensive efficiency during the regular season ..

.. stopping ‘em. Orlando isn’t Detroit or Atlanta; the team is elite defensively and for good reason.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orlando does something that Atlanta or Detroit did not do well this year

And that is rotate defensively. They’re a very smart defensive team, and when you don’t over-react to the Cavs antics, you’re more likely to stay in the game IMO.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take on how this series will end...

there will be one thing that will determine the outcome of this series. That is how well Dwight passes out of the double teams. If he’s making smart decisions and good passes that will lead to plenty of open looks and this team is more than capable of knocking them down. If he’s making bad passes or getting turned over, then Cleveland will get a lot of good looks in transition and make our lives a lot harder on the offensive end.

Maybe I’m overstating this…obviously other things come into play…if we go ice cold from the field, if Lebron has a field day, if Turkoglu and Lewis go for 25 each…there are other factors in play.

But in my opinion, if Dwight remains solid in his decision making and passing when the double comes, we win this series. If he doesn’t, we lose.

by Lee for three on May 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do u think the magic would’ve gotten this far with jameer nelson instead of alston?

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not even a question. Yes.

.. this series wouldn’t be as close if Jameer was playing.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagining Jameer vs. Mo just makes me smile

It’s really bittersweet he can’t play. (No offense to Rafer)

We Are All Believers

by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on May 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like what alston has done. i think the magic are very fortunate to have acquired him.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

I just meant that Jameer was having a breakout season and it would have been awesome to see where it went w/o the injury.

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by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on May 25, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. but you know, sometimes weird things happened. who knows if they would’ve gotten this far with nelson (i mean really). and right now i am sure no one in the magic locker room even care to imagine that. they’re happy they are here. fate is strange…sometimes inexplicable.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's no question Jameer would have gotten the team this far.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not being a smart ass here, but...

well, that just happens to be your opinion, because obviously he wasn’t able to prove your claim…

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he wasn't.

You’re right. I’m confident he would have, though. That’s all I’m saying.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way in hell boston or cleveland goes under the screens on pick n rolls if Jameer is playing

every team has been daring rafer to shoot the ball. No way that happens w/ jameer, he’d make them pay (50% from the field 40% from 3’s). Plus Jameer is 100x better at finishing at the rim.

by AB's triple double on May 25, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much better.

Jameer lead the team in lay-up percentages .. Rafer, not so much.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mental game means as much here

Mo Williams is trying to act like LeBron’s #2, and IMO, he’s at best a 3rd option on a championship caliber team with LeBron James as your obvious 1st and 2nd option, with a 2nd option elsewhere on the team as well.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then the magic really have a lot to look forward to next season. with nelson back, and perhaps more help. this could be a powerhouse for quite some time. howard has just scratched the surface. he will be a force to be reckon with for the next decade.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking a step back and looking at these playoffs as a whole

The storyline has been amazing. The increase in effort, mental toughness and resilency has been significant. Can’t wait to see how it continues. (Already looking forward to the season wrap-up articles on here—hopefully looking back on how we went all the way to the Title!)

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by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on May 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will say this, it's been awesome covering it all and it's nice having everyone here along for the ride.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the discussion on Fear the Sword, and why it is (or isn't) surprising that the Cavs are behind in the series...

They say that the reason it is surprising is because the Cavs had the best regular season record, and won 7 more games than the Magic did. True. The thing is that if you imagine that there was only a “mini-league” between the 4 best teams, namely Cavs, Celtics, Magic and Lakers… Cleveland would’ve ended with a 3-5 losing record, while Orlando’s record would’ve been 6-3. Cleveland had the killer instinct against the lesser teams (something the Magic struggled with during the regular season), but the Cavs suffered against the “elite teams”.

Of course the regular season is not the same as the playoffs, but it does give you some pointers as of how games might look like.

That doesn’t mean that Orlando would steamroll the Lakers, if they go to the finals, just because they were able to sweep the regular season series for the first time ever.

Why did I post here, instead of Fear the Sword? well, because that’s a Cavs’ blog and feels kinda sucky to kick a downed opponent. (I only do that in neutral sites, and try to be somewhat within respectful parameters).

Oh, and I don’t think that Lebron moving to New York would be a solution to his problems. Even if the Knicks managed to sign another superstar, the Knicks organization always gives the impression to be a mess.

Magic Fan since the 1992-1993 Season.

by North of the South on May 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's better that you posted that here, instead. Always good to be classy and respectful.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One guy tried to tell me that Mo Williams is a better player than Derrick Rose today

And tried to justify it by saying Williams had a higher PER and Win Shares than Rose did. It was rather funny.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*dies*

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's that kinda crap I hate ER

Seriously. If you want to say that Cleveland’ supporting cast doesn’t get enough credit in the season Cleveland had, that’s one thing.

I hate homerism. That’s all. Sorry.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just bothered by the flawed way he tried to compare two players.

PER is tricky. I don’t mind using PER to compare players of the same position, but even then you have to use common sense to figure out why Rose’s PER is low. He’s inefficient.

Can’t use Win Shares to compare players because that metric, while fine dividing credit to a team, should not be used to compare players on teams with different talent levels.

(shakes head)

It’s one thing to used advanced stats. It’s another thing to know what you’re talking about.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen Sir

A mother friggin men.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This argument would be interesting to have between Mo Williams and Jameer Nelson next year though IMO

If you were going to compare 2 players. But, that’s me.

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by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, this year .. Jameer > Mo.

I know, I know .. Nelson only played 42 games, but still. That’s a substantial sample size to work with. There’s a reason why ’Meer was an All-Star.

.. and Williams needed three tries (I believe) to get named to the roster.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rondo still should have made it over Williams

And maybe Nelson. But, whatever. I think Rondo got shafted in that whole thing.

No one is surprised that Mo Williams had a quality season, but for crying out loud, that’s one of Cleveland’s problem. They need a clear #2 on that team.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nelson and Rondo was a wash.

.. Rajon should have been over Mo, without a question.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

After hearing that Mo WIlliams quote this morning ...
“I’ve got bigger fish to fry … I could care less about Anthony Johnson. He plays 12 minutes a game, I could care less.”

Who else wants AJ to pull out one of his super-grandad dunks and flush it on Mo’s head?

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by big aaron on May 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL .. Dad has been due for a dunk, lately.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's busted one out every series so far

Theo Ratliff got it Vs. Philly.

Kendrick Perkins ate one Vs. Boston.

Mo WIlliams or Sideshow Andy to order a matured stuffed crust this time around?

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by big aaron on May 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cross your fingers, homie.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a lil late coming into the game

But I loved this line KD said in assessing the referee’s, and the fans:

What both sides, and their fans, need to do is step back a bit. And then grow up, a bit.

Evil Cowtown Inc: Screwin' Suckaz over since Nineteen Eighty-Five.....

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on May 25, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, i’m hoping for a magic vs lakers finals. again, i am not so confident the lakers will beat the nuggets. but as a lakers fan, i’m hoping…i still think the magic present some real problems for the lakers. i saw the lakers play as good as they can play against the magic, and lost. nevertheless, it would be a good match up. nobody would be able to take on howard, not gasol nor bynum. but still looking forward to these match ups: ariza on turko, odom on lewis; bynum/gasol on howard; what the lakers have working in their favor is that right now kobe is playing like losing isn’t an option. i think the comments that jerry west made have influenced his game. they have motivated him; he’s playing like a man possessed. look at what he’s done since it happened.

by chaucer on May 25, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's hoping.

.. Orlando just needs to take it one game at a time.

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by erivera7 on May 25, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fear the Sword writer and fans.

Talk about biased reporting. I know it is Cavs site but can he actually give a team credit when it is due? Their excuses are getting old. Cav fans…“IF we shoot better, IF our bench shows up, We have the best player, team, and coach.”

How about the Magic matchup better. Cavs not hitting open looks cause their wore out trying to playing defense. The reg season games have translated to the playoffs for a reason.

The best player is why Cavs are 1-2 and not 0-3. The Magic have not played a complete game either and yet up 2-1.

The last one is my favorite, “better coach.” Are they serious? SVG is a true BBall coach, one that actually coaches and makes changes with clipboard in hand. Brown is an observer in the huddle. Do you ever see TNT/ESPN show Brown? He is Lebron’s assistant.

Cav fans need to stop believing the hype and stop relying on all their worthless stats vs other teams not named the Magic. Although I do believe Lakers and Denver would have similar advantages.

Mo’s and Brown’s awards were a benefit of Lebron. NO DOUBT!

by O-Town MagiCane on May 26, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't give it too much thought.

.. just enjoy the ride.

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by erivera7 on May 26, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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