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3QC Roundtable Discussion: Previewing The Orlando Magic / Cleveland Cavaliers Series

Another series, another roundtable discussion. 

 

Back again to answer some more questions for Third Quarter Collapse is Jon Nichols of Basketball-Statistics and Sandy Weil of Sportsmetricians Consulting. Both gentlemen were kind enough to take the time to provide their respective insight on the series between Orlando and Cleveland. Here's what they had to say:

 

How do you see the Magic stacking up to the Cavaliers? Who do you have winning the series?

Jon Nichols: Besides the most important position (small forward), the Magic actually match up quite well with the Cavaliers. Alston has the quickness to do an adequate job guarding Mo Williams, and Howard can take care of Ilgauskas. I think Redick and Lee also will not have too tough of a time guarding West. On the other end, Varejao will have a tough time staying in front of Lewis.  

 

Of course, I've left out the most important name...LeBron James. The Magic really don't have an answer for him (not that anyone does). He's too quick for Turkoglu and too strong for everybody else. If I were Orlando, I'd strongly consider having Varejao's man [Rashard Lewis] constantly come over and double team. If Varejao wins the series for Cleveland, so be it.  

 

With all that being said, I see Cleveland winning this series in 7 games. They're not as good as the hype suggests right now, but they still are really, really, talented. Orlando will give them all they can handle.  

Sandy Weil: I think that the Magic match up better than either Detroit or Atlanta did. But I can't see how the Magic can win this series. They've seemed pretty spotty in close games. They dropped a few close ones against both Philly and Boston (while also winning a few). To win the series, Orlando will need to win at least one game in Cleveland, which seems unlikely. I see Cleveland in the Finals.

 

How much do you think the regular season success for Orlando (the team has beaten the Cavs 8 out of the last 11 times) the past few years will matter against Cleveland in the playoffs? Does a better and different supporting cast for the Cavaliers make a difference when noting at the aforementioned trend?

JN: Obviously looking at this year's success is the most important thing. If the rosters have changed at all since previous years (which they have), there's really no point in looking at those games. However, the Magic still won 2 of 3 this season. Is that enough to say they "own" the Cavs? Definitely not. But it also shows that Cleveland won't plow through Orlando like they did in their first two series. Like I said earlier...this is going to be a close one.

SW: I'm not putting tons of weight on the regular season head-to-head matchups. And I didn't really look at previous years' regular seasons at all as an indicator of playoff success this year. So, I maybe missing that piece. But both Orlando victories this season were in Orlando. In the first, they had Nelson still and in the second game in Orlando, Cleveland was playing their second of a road back-to-back. 

 

There's been a lot of talk about LeBron James' insane production in the playoffs so far. Will the Magic, ranked first in defensive efficiency during the regular season, be able to slow down LBJ? If so, how well will Orlando be able to control 'Bron?

JN: It's all going to come down to the genius of Stan Van Gundy. The Magic have nobody that can match up one-on-one with LBJ. However, Cleveland does have a few players that aren't exactly studs on offense. If you leave those guys, you can keep his scoring down a bit. Still, I think James will get whatever he wants in this series. Can Orlando shut down the rest of Cleveland's players well enough that it won't matter? That's their best bet.

SW: Orlando was #1 in defensive efficiency. But Cleveland was #3, only 0.5 points behind Orlando. The better figure to look at is the difference between the offensive and defensive efficiency. Orlando had an excellent 8.3 points per 100 possessions (for each team). This placed them third in the league. Cleveland was at 10.3, first in the league.

 

LeBron's playoff numbers have come against clearly inferior teams (Atlanta and Detroit). I suspect that Orlando will have more success against him, but that he will be able to produce some numbers that are less gaudy but still pretty good. But I think that the Magic need to worry as much about what the Cleveland defense can do to the Magic. I think that you'll see the Cavaliers switch LeBron James over to guard Turkoglu in crunch time, potentially sacrificing a bit of their own offense to keep the Magic out of their offensive rhythm.

 

I like to thank again Jon and Sandy  for participating in another roundtable discussion. It's always great gathering the insight of two intellectual individuals. 

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Thanks for getting these guys E

…and for Jon Nichol (as always) provides very good analysis, and very respectable arguments.

this other guy, with all due respect (seriously) seems like he has not watched much basketball and just looks at the stats. His analysis is riddled with excuses in favor of the cav’s, last time i checked the second night of a back to back is a very regular occurence in that NBA and I wish people stopped pushing that so fiercely. Especially when said team doesn’t just lose…but get’s blown out.

The general NBA guys need to show more responsibility to covering the NBA as a whole, i.e. Hollinger and Nichols.

Overall very good questions, and analysis by Nichols.

Thanks again E

by fwedo on May 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks. I wanted to get more people but time constraints forced me to cut back.

Weil knows his stuff, trust me. I wouldn’t have interviewed him if I didn’t think highly of his opinion.

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by erivera7 on May 19, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there is one consolation

is that in the regular season the Magic mastered the art of letting the opposing superstar score 40, but contain everybody else to win the game (see every game against Dwyane Wade and Miami).

by Lee for three on May 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't do that against Cleveland.

.. the team is 27-3 when ’Bron scores 32 points or more in a game.

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by erivera7 on May 19, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what were going to have to do.

No way will we be able to contain LeBron. Maybe slow him down a little,that’s it.

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by Surfdog on May 19, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, the most the Magic will be able to do is slow down LBJ.

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by erivera7 on May 19, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds ridiculously simple but

We have to do we done in the blowout: keep Lebron on the outside and shut other’s down while hitting our shots.

For us to beat the Craboliers, we absolutely have to be on-point with our long-range game. Alston has to play smarter and stop chucking. Same with Hedo, if his shot’s not falling, pass it to Courtney or Rashard, or drive inside and dump it low to Dwight.

On the other end, keeping LeBron limited to jumpshots should be slightly simpler than it seems. LeBron is all about rep. If Dwight’s just sending everything back, LeBron’s gonna be scared to drive at the hole. It showed when we last played them and it worked perfectly. We need Rafer to slap some D on Mo Williams too. If necessary, I think switching C-Lee to Mo and Rafer to Delonte might work. Lee would match WIlliams with quickness but give him major issues with size.

I think we’ve just got to man up, play physical and ruffle the Crab’s feathers up to send the message that they’re gonna be in for a rough ride, whatever they choose to do on offense.

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by big aaron on May 19, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

We'll see what happens.

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by erivera7 on May 19, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff ER

Thanks for posting it.

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by pookeyguru on May 19, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

No problem.

Glad you enjoyed it.

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by erivera7 on May 19, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

First Game numbers... Most Probable Scenario

Never mind the 5-inch height advantage Z has over Lewis (7’3" vs 6’10"), Lewis is faster, jumps a mile and is YOUNG! Wallace is a non-factor, plus Varejao is way overrated; he couldn’t make it even in the Magic’s BENCH… was released!

As for Williams, he IS a true All-Star, BUT in these playoffs, he has NEVER seen such disciplined, focused defensive specialists like Courtney Lee, or MP, BOTH with a DEADLY shooting touch of their own. And for Delante, we will take turns with Redick (who CONTAINED a much faster and deadly shooter, Ray Allen) and Alston.

I agree; the first game is CRUCIAL!

This is the way I envision the scoring from the principals:

MAGICS:
Dwight-25 points, 16 rebounds, 4 blocks, 2 take-aways, 3 turnovers
Turk-15 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 turnovers
Lewis-20 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 turnover
Lee-12 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 take-aways, 1 turnover
Alston-10 points, 1 rebound, 6 assists, 2 turnovers
MP-10 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 2 turnovers
Redick-8 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 take-aways, 2 turnovers
Gortat-6 points, 5 rebounds, 2 turnovers

CAVALIERS:
LeBron James-35 points, 8 rebounds, 3 blocks, 4 assists, 4 turnovers, 4 take-aways
Mo Williams-12 points, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 turnovers
Wally Szerbiak-4 points, 4 rebounds, 3 turnovers
West-14 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 turnovers
Varejao-8 points, 6 rebounds, 4 turnovers
Z. Ilgauskas-12 points, 8 rebounds, 3 turnovers
Wallace-4 points, 4 rebounds, 1 block
Rest of Bench-6 points

Given all the defensive AND offensive capabilities and execution, especially in their games together and the Playoffs, this is the score (plus or minus 4):

Magic: 106
Cavaliers: 95

I know… I know; this is just my take for this game, OK?

by manny55 on May 20, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions  

No need to post this twice.

.. maybe it was a mistake.

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by erivera7 on May 20, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks... didn't see it before

Thanks, again for your insightful analysis, as always. It’s great to see objectivity and plurality in sports discussions; a rare feat these days!

As for my posting twice, I didn’t realize it, sorry.

These are just numbers, but I did the same for that game 6 at Philly, and guess what… I missed the final score by just ONE point! Hope we can do this again… enjoy!

by manny55 on May 20, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

No worries, thanks for the kind words.

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by erivera7 on May 20, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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