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Boston Celtics 92, Orlando Magic 88: The Morning After

  • Brian Schmitz points out that Dwight Howard was critical of head coach Stan Van Gundy, after the Magic's defeat, for not getting the ball enough ...
    "I would just say it's tough to win all season when you play inside-out with people who got you off to a good season. I think I'm capable of scoring in the post. I don't' want to say it's all about offense. But when you have a dominant player, let him be dominant." 

    "It's tough to get yourself going and get a lot of shots without a lot of touches. We have to do a better job with that."
 

    ... and also, for abandoning a lineup that was working (Johnson/Pietrus/Turkoglu/Battie/Howard) early in the fourth quarter.

    "The coaches have to recognize what's working on the floor. Stick to it. Even if it's half your starters on the floor. Not just the guys you have put the most trust in. You have to have trust in everybody. We moved the ball, we ran, got easy shots, and our coach has to recognize when he was a certain group out there and they are getting the job done and we have to leave those guys on the floor. We are going to make mistakes, but I think you have to go with what works."

    I bolded the last sentence because I wanted everyone to note that this is exactly what I said two days ago, regarding SVG's coaching mentality.

    Basically, Stan Van Gundy needs to go with what works, not what may work.

    Better hope SVG opts to go with the former tomorrow night, not the latter. 

  • Schmitz also gathers some interesting quotes in his post-game recap:
    "We were kind of just playing stall-ball and you can't do that," shooting guard J.J. Redick said. "Stan talked about us just wanting to run the clock out instead of going and taking it."

    "They didn't do anything — it was all us," forward Hedo Turkoglu said about the collapse. "We had control before the last two minutes and then it just stopped."
  • Mike Bianchi notes that Orlando, more than ever, is missing Jameer Nelson:
    His team was blowing yet another double-digit playoff lead in the fourth quarter and Jameer Nelson sat on the bench helplessly and hopelessly Tuesday night.

    Where's the Magic's composure in the postseason, you ask?



    Where's their coolness?



    Where's their heart?

    Where's their toughness?

    I'll tell you where it is.



    It's right over there in street clothes, that's where. [...]

    Yes, the Celtics do miss Garnett; there's no question. But at this juncture in this playoff series, a case could be made that the Magic might miss Nelson even more.
  • Kyle Hightower explains what went wrong in the fourth quarter for Orlando:
    The Magic led 85-75 at that point on a layup by Turkoglu and seemed ready to go to 4-0 this postseason following a loss.

    But then they went cold from the field, missing seven straight shots.

    The Celtics rallied and went on an 11-0 run, capped by a 3-pointer by Ray Allen, to take an 86-85 lead with 1:20 left and they never trailed again.

    "It's hard to explain," Turkoglu said. "We had the lead and instead of keeping attacking, we stopped. It just hurts to have a game under control and then lose it in the last few minutes."

Click after the jump to see what the national media had to say about Game 5 .

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  • Henry Abbott of TrueHoop lists 15 thoughts from last night's proceedings.
  • Chris Sheridan of ESPN.com states that Boston's Stephon Marbury was key to last night's comeback; Orlando head coach Stan Van Gundy agrees:
    "He was the key to the game, really, I thought," Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said of Marbury, who checked into the game with 11:22 remaining in the fourth and the Celtics trailing by 10, the new Garden practically silent as the defending champs were looking all but done.
  • Tim Povtak of NBA Fanhouse summarizes what occurred in Game 5:
    This is a case where championship experience really came into play. One team had it, and the other team didn't know what it was. [...]

    The Celtics were cool down the stretch when they made a 13-0 run, sending the Magic into a panic from which they never recovered. The Magic, who haven't been past the second round of the playoffs since 1996, unraveled like a team that never had played in this kind of pressure before.
  • Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated chimes in on the Magic after the loss:
    Orlando is crumbling. The coach blames the players. After the game, Stan Van Gundy said his team "quit playing" in the final four minutes and said the game was lost when his players stopped running and started walking.

    Dwight Howard pointed the finger at the coaches.

    "I think you're supposed to play to win," said Howard. "[You are] not supposed to try to lose ... the coaches have to recognize what's working on the floor and stick to it."

    And the Magic still have no fourth-quarter scorer.
  • Matt Moore of Hardwood Paroxysm sums up the following:
    I could talk about the Orlando ball movement, about how they didn’t start jacking threes until they were in panic mode following that sequence of events which must not be named, about Lewis being able to abuse Glen Davis every which way but loose, about how Hedo driving to the basket late was a great decision, about Rafer Alston playing huge. But none of it matters, because Glen Davis hit big shots, Ray Allen hit big shots, the Celtics got "turnovers" and "offensive rebounds" and won the game.
  • Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie comments on what went wrong for Orlando:
    Call me the opposite of old fashioned, but I don't think the Orlando Magic are losing because Dwight Howard(notes) isn't getting enough touches. [...]

    Dwight Howard has no moves. He's a dominant force, and well deserving of that Defensive Player of the Year, but his moves are crap. I saw him throw some junk up against Kendrick Perkins(notes) that Brett Szabo would be ashamed of, and those moves are not something I can blame on "well, he hasn't gotten the ball in a while, so he's forcing things with the clock running down." Believe me, I love Dwight, I love it when big men get the rock, and I'm making all the excuses I can for the guy.

    But he has no moves. Lefty runners are nice, but the guy has no turnaround jumper, he has no righty jump (or rolling) hook he can continually go to, and his drop step is lousy. It's very early in his career, it's no slam on Dwight, it's just the unfortunate reality (soon to change, I'm sure) in May of 2009.

    I agree and disagree with Dwyer.

    I agree that Orlando didn't lose because Howard didn't get enough touches -- the reason why the big fella didn't get the ball more on offense was because he was tossing up wild hook shots left and right and killing possessions offensively. I disagree that Howard has no post moves - he does, they just don't work against Perkins. I've been preaching ad nauseam since the series began that SVG needs to utilize Dwight in pick & rolls against Kendrick, to harness his athleticism and speed. The coach has yet to do so. Instead, Howard continues to fruitlessly post up on the low block and try to use his strength against Perkins. Remind me, what's the definition of insanity?

    Dwight Howard is struggling against the Celtics because he isn't being utilized properly, not because of the lack of touches. That's been one of the problems for the Magic in this series. 

  • UPDATE: Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports explains why, in his opinion, Dwight Howard is calling out head coach Stan Van Gundy. 
  • UPDATE 2: Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus, as always, eloquently recaps the Magic's loss against the Celtics last night:
    Throughout this postseason, the site AdvancedNFLStats.com has defied its name by running live win probabilities for NBA playoff games. By its calculations, the Orlando Magic's chances of winning Game Five last night in Boston peaked at 94 percent. When Hedo Turkoglu scored to make it 85-75 Magic with 5:39 to play, the Celtics' chances of a comeback stood at a dismal 10 percent. After losing the lead and the game, Orlando will be replaying those fateful final five minutes all offseason long if unable to complete its own comeback from a 3-2 deficit in this series.

    I don't think I watched Game Seven of the 2000 Western Conference Finals, probably the most famous NBA choke job in recent memory, but while watching last night I knew what that experience must have felt like. Everything seemed to go wrong so quickly for the Magic, and simply as someone who picked Orlando to win this series and likes what the team stands for, I felt a sinking feeling long before Ray Allen's three-pointer with 1:20 to play gave the Celtics their first lead since 8-6.

    The bad Magic--the team that relies on three-pointers too early in the shot clock and fails to convert on the drive--picked the worst possible time to rear its ugly head. Orlando went scoreless on seven straight possessions after Turkoglu's make, a drought interrupted only by Doc Rivers intentionally fouling with the Celtics up three and eight seconds left on the clock. At the other end, Boston continued its scorching offense started by the unlikely tandem of Stephon Marbury and Glen Davis. While the Magic was coming up empty, the Celtics scored on five out of six possessions to take the lead.

    The seventh possession, the last real one of the game for either side, was fateful in its own way. Twice, Orlando forced difficult stops. I liked the defensive strategy of using Rafer Alston to trap Paul Pierce, daring Rajon Rondo to beat the defense. Rondo and Allen forced terrible shots, the first of which probably never hit the rim. The Magic was unable to box out, though, so two straight offensive rebounds forced Orlando to foul. From that point, Rivers took control of the game with his strategy to foul. Eight seconds is a lot of time left to to start doing that, but with Boston making its free throws, it meant the Magic never got up a tying three. Stan Van Gundy ultimately decided to have Dwight Howard intentionally miss his second attempt with less than six seconds to play, and when Orlando was unable to corral the rebound, that was that.

    Here's the thing about close finishes. While they don't necessarily tell us much about the ability of the respective teams, they have lingering ramifications. In the wake of two straight such losses, the Magic seems to be questioning itself--and Van Gundy. "I don't think you are going to win a lot of games when your post player only gets 10 shots," said Howard. I'm not sure what to make of that. Howard did not get a shot attempt down the stretch, when his teammates faltered. However, he hasn't exactly dominated Kendrick Perkins in this series, and had nearly as many turnovers (four) as field goals (five) in this game.

    Van Gundy spread the looks amongst Rafer Alston, Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu, but none of them converted. It wasn't just outside shots, either--Alston and Turkoglu took rushed shots on the drive. At some point, your key players simply have to make plays. I continue to be mystified by the Magic's inability to knock down three-pointers. Orlando shot 6-for-24 (25 percent) from three-point range last night.
  • UPDATE 3: What's the recipe for a choke job? The Sentinel has the details:
    Here's a look at Orlando's eight possessions during the choke:

    5:09 — Rafer Alston missed 3-pointer (85-75)

    4:47 — Rashard Lewis missed jump shot (85-75)

    4:16 — Rashard Lewis missed 3-pointer (85-77)

    3:45 — Rashard Lewis turnover (85-79)

    3:07 — Rashard Lewis missed 3-pointer (85-81)

    2:09 — Hedo Turkoglu missed jump shot (85-83)

    1:01 — Rafer Alston missed 3-pointer (85-86)

  • UPDATE 4: David Steele provides his post-game assessment of yesterday's affair. 
  • UPDATE 5: Dwight Howard, on his official blog today, explains what happened last night in the press conference after the game, and more. 
  • UPDATE 6: Bethlehem Shoals of the Sporting Blog talks about the "developing Dwight Howard-SVG rift", as the title of his post suggests is happening according to him. 
  • For a Celtics perspective on Game 5, check out CelticsBlog and Celtics Hub.

Make sure to check out this post every few hours for updates. 

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Mike binchi

I dont think you can make the case that the magic are needing nelson more. The 2 last game should have been won. Boston -kg is 1 lacking defensive strength and has to deal with a sthortag of bigs. Yes the magic could use nelson, but boston could use kg and powe at this point.

by angryguy77 on May 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nelson is still missed

I think the Magic do miss Nelson a ton in this postseason. They survived without him against an inferior, inexperienced 76ers team. But against Boston, it is really showing.

Nelson is a calming presence on the floor. He will take the reigns of the team when they are struggling and will them to a victory. He is Orlando’s fourth quarter closer.

The Magic do not have any excuses for losing last night’s game. It is both SVG’s and the player’s faults. But having Nelson, literally a second coach on the floor, would have kept the team calm and possibly stemmed the tide. Nelson always seemed to make a play to make the offense go. Hopefully he can come back next year and still do that.

Philip,
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by philrsquared on May 13, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would argue that Nelson would have a bigger impact right now than Garnett

Rashard is big and athletic enough to hold his own with Garnett. Garnett has said himself that Lewis is one of his toughest matchups. Nelson would have gven Rondo fits. He would have given Rondo a lot more to think about, as he would not miss very many open looks. Rondo has been gambling with Alston and more times than not it works. You can’t gamble with Nelson, you have to stay in front of him at all times because he is lights out from EVERYWHERE.

As far as attitude, heart, and toughness, Garnett’s teammates are experienced enough to win tough games without him. Although his presence is needed, his leadership is still a huge factor when he’s on the bench. The Magic don’t have that experience, having Nelson on the bench does nothing for them. Sadly, I agree with Bianchi on this one (it hurts to type that).

Glen Davis hates children.

by magic fanatic on May 13, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1.

I rec’d your comment because it was so on point. I agree with everything you said.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

I’d love to rec my own comment (cause I’m awesome) but I can’t.

Anyway, I made the same argument about 5 minutes ago to some coworkers and they shot me down. Doesn’t make me feel wrong at all, but it goes to show you that even solid NBA fans don’t know much about the Magic.

Glen Davis hates children.

by magic fanatic on May 13, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and now all the wrong stereotypes are coming true

It’s a nightmare

Glen Davis hates children.

by magic fanatic on May 13, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone

by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to a point

i agree that nelson is very important to you, but as important as he is for you guys down the streatch, KG is to Boston the entire game. Its not to take anyhting away from nelson, his absence is missed of course. But Our interior d inensity is nowhere near what it used to be when kg was on the floor. Instead of shutting teams down, we have to score with them, and that is opposite of what this team is built on.

by angryguy77 on May 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

also

Dont forget how the teams played each other before the injuries.

by angryguy77 on May 13, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think with a healthy KG

Boston repeats.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on May 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well without KG, guys like glen davis, rondo and perkins have blossomed evern more. right now perkins and KG interior defense is about as good as it gets. man, i miss it, that and I miss our offense running through a 7 footer

by ohc on May 14, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree here..

The day Jameer went down at I think we all knew that our Championships chances went down with him.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on May 13, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to disagree

with you, magic fanatic.

Like angryguy says below, Garnett was what made the Celtics defense such a potent force (that’s how they won the championship last year). No way would the Bulls have averaged over 108 points against the Celtics in the first round had Garnett played. The Celtics D is no longer consistently dominant.

Jameer vs. Rondo would have been very interesting. Rondo has been just average this series. I wonder how he would have done in the playoffs. Would he be like Hedo and struggle? Or he would have been more like Lewis and done decently. Heck, he probably would have easily outshined everyone and averaged something like 20 points a game. With his 45% shooting on 3-pointers, I don’t think he would have struggled from downtown like everyone else on the team. What about the 89% FT shooting?

With Jameer playing, the Magic would have won Game 4 & 5 and of course, the series. But then again, I thought Orlando was already better than Boston even without Jameer (C-Webb and Barkley agree with me on this). If the Magic play to their potential, w/ or w/o Jameer, they would beat the Celts. Obviously the problem is that they haven’t.

by LibNat on May 14, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt about that

We deserve to lose.

My guess is he would have flourished in the playoffs. Easy to say now, but I thought his breakout started in last years postseason and nobody noticed.

Glen Davis hates children.

by magic fanatic on May 14, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of us noticed.

I certainly did .. that’s why I wasn’t completely surprised by Nelson’s breakout season. Yeah, I was surprised, but Jameer hinted signs of excellent play during the postseason last year.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when has kevin garnett said lewis is his toughest matchup? link? because quite frankly, its his easiest matchup, lewis plays right into KGS defensive strenghts. and please people, I know you guys miss Jameer nelson and it shows, but to compare his loss to us losing KG is really somewhat unnacceptable. sorry but youre wrong.

by ohc on May 14, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they have virtually no matchup for lewis without KG either….you do realize scalabrine is getting minutes defending him, right?

by ohc on May 14, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I distinctly remember KG being quoted as saying Lewis was one of THE toughest matchups.

.. not THE toughest matchup. One of.

Rather than get into a frivolous argument, all I will say about Jameer Nelson’s absence in correlation to Kevin Garnett’s is that they’re both missed for different reasons, some of which can be compared empirically using statistics, and some of which can’t be logged as data. Both players offer intangibles that are missing to their respective teams right now. I don’t think it’s fair to say “you’re wrong” to compare the two because they’re two distinctly different players. Just don’t compare ’em.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, but Orlando is officially Choke City

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by Orlando Rays on May 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sad, but true.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's an idea

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:

Pump fakes.
Head fakes.

There was a certain center that used to play for the Houston Rockets several years back who could do it.

D12, for the love of all that’s good, please. Please. Please.
Can you mix in just 1 headfake. Just one. Every time he makes a “move” to the rim, he doesn’t stop. So, when he takes his shot, Perkins will leave his feet. EVERY TIME!!!!!

He’s just so predictable right now. As soon as he puts the ball on the floor, he’s going to shoot.

Am I being ridiculous?

by darylglen on May 13, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, you're correct.

Howard’s post moves are real predictable.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the things is, it won't help much

all that faking doesn’t matter if you are pushed to 12ft away from basket to begin with. At that point all Perkins has to do is stand there and have his hands up, and wait for the rebound, which will be his because Howard would be too busy staring at the refs.

by pcnyc on May 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Olajuwan's shake and fakes works

Because he had a deadly baseline turn around fadeaway that the defenders had to contest. What’s Howard gonna do? I think Perkins would gladly allow Howard to shoot over him.

by pcnyc on May 13, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been preaching ad nauseam since the series began that SVG needs to utilize Dwight in pick & rolls against Kendrick, to harness his athleticism and speed.

I fully agree — I think it’s the best way to get Dwight involved offensively

by NBR on May 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now, about Rashard...

I wasn’t able to watch the game, but from what I understand he was having a great game during the first 3 quarters, by going to the post, and had no 3pt attempts during that time. Then, comes the fourth quarter, and he has a bunch of failed three-pointers and jumpshots. What a shame. I wonder if that was him or SVG… why couldn’t they stick to what was working?

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by North of the South on May 13, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

.. mmm, I'd go with the former.

Yeah, SVG could have called out plays specifically for Lewis but Rashard should know better. Countless times in the first three quarters he was being proactive about attacking the paint and posting up ..

.. then in the fourth quarter he goes away from what was working. Again, lack of execution.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perkins has the lower body strength to push Howard away from the basket.

.. that’s basically been the case the entire series.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When they started standing around...

why didn’t SVG. gather the troops and get them back in there game so they could close the thing out?????

The Surfdog

by Surfdog on May 13, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He did. SVG called a timeout with roughly 6 minutes to go and the team proceeded to play stall ball.

That’s not on the coach. That’s on the players for, ahem, failing to execute.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The timeout was an official timeout

…with 5:55 remaining and the score 83-74. The Magic called another timeout with 3:56 remaining and the score 85-79, and another timeout with 1:20 remaining trailing 86-85.

None of those timeouts did any good. Of course, Van Gundy can’t play for the players, but the players along with the coach should all share in the blame of such an epic collapse.

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by Mike from Illinois on May 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying, Mike.

I forgot whether SVG called the timeout or it was an official timeout. I thought it was the former.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I checked the official play-by-play from the box score at nba.com

It’s really a big help when going back and reviewing all the key plays and moments of a game.

"Chicago Blackhawks... One Goal... the Stanley Cup"

by Mike from Illinois on May 14, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good idea.

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by erivera7 on May 14, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no need for stats or a write up to explain what went wrong

that blow-by-blow recap is all you need to read.

The rest of this is just fluff.

Glen Davis hates children.

by magic fanatic on May 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Word.

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by erivera7 on May 13, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come ON! IT'S TWO MORE TO GO!

There’s plenty of blame to go around, specially Van Gundy, who stubornly insists on plays that DON’T WORK! And keeps our BEST defender and most consistent clutch player, Courtney Lee, OUT OF THE LINEUP!

But the past is past… can’t change it. We can, however change the future. We HAVE to come together once again and win those TWO last games, starting with the one here in Orlando. We MUST close them out!!! And we will!

by manny55 on May 13, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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