Antonio McDyess, Magic Power Forward In '09-'10?
by magic12ball on Apr 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT
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PrintGood morning, folks. Today is a big day for your Orlando Magic. Before we get into the proceedings later tonight for Game 5 (in which Ben Q. Rock will be at the game and covering the proceedings), time to showcase another fanpost. 3QC member magic12ball has the rundown on why the Magic should do its best to pursue a certain Detroit Pistons player that used to have Orlando's number in the regular season AND in the playoffs the past few years. - ER
According to the Detroit Free-Press:
If it was his last game as a Piston, Antonio McDyess, went out with guns blazing. With his team falling further and further behind, he kept hitting shots and grabbing rebounds.
The Cleveland Cavaliers finished their first-round sweep of the Pistons, 99-78, Sunday at the Palace, but McDyess left it all on the court as he tied a career playoff high with 26 points.
He added 10 rebounds, another part of the highlight tape teams around the league will watch when they decide whether to make a pitch for the unrestricted free agent.
"I just tried to leave everything I had out there," McDyess said. "With a loss or a win or however it came out, I just wanted to leave everything I had on the court."
When he signed with the Pistons after the team won the 2004 NBA
title, he thought he was close to getting a championship ring.
But after five seasons, he is still looking for that ring, and with the Pistons in transition, he might decide to land with a championship contender. He likely will be in demand from teams that think he might be the missing piece to a championship.
And he admitted this dismal season could impact his decision this summer.
"It was a disappointing season for me and for everyone in this locker room," McDyess said. "It will probably play a role in what my decision is. At this point I just want to win and at least compete. This season just seems like a loss for us."
The Magic really need to get another big body inside to protect Howard and get rebounds on a nightly basis. Antonio is a desperate FA looking for a home with a true championship contender. When Nelson gets better next season, we will be that legit title contender. If we start the same 5 we currently do (Nelson/Lee/Turkoglu/Lewis/Howard) we could rest Hedo at the mid-way point of the 1st qtr. like we always do and bring in MyDyess to replace and move Lewis to the Small Forward spot. This would give us that PF that could rebound and help on post-defense that we need more of. I know he's a Piston but he has killed us in the past and we know what he can do on the defensive end, not to mention that he's a decent free-throw line extender jumpshooter. Also, the last big-man from DET who came here was Darko and he did well for us that one year.
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Orlando NEEDS a veteran power forward who is not afraid to bang around and be an enforcer for Howard. I would prefer someone with title experience, but McDyess would be perfect. Hopefully the price is right.
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I like that comparison...
ALOT…Nice one philrsquared!
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by magic12ball on Apr 28, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I love McDyess
Talk about heart…I know it’s sacrilege around these parts but I was originally a Piston fan before moving to O-town and they were still my #1 team until I started going to Magic games about 4 years ago. McDyess is a class act and like the article says, he leaves it all out there. I hope the Magic go for him.
by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Apr 27, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
I love me some Dice play but ..
.. unless GM Otis Smith trades Tony Battie to clear some payroll to re-sign Hedo Turkoglu and then use the remaining funds on Antonio McDyess (for the veteran’s minimum), I don’t see it happening.
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I'm not .. I'm just being realistic.
Like I said, I would love to have McDyess on the team but again, I just don’t see it happening.
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I can see Dice playing for the Vets minimum
He desperatley wants to play for a contender
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing when I read that post earlier today
I absolutely detested when Mcdyess would kill us every time we played. Seemed like he never missed a jump shot, got every loose ball and played tough D on howard……….but i’d want him on my team any day.
by AB's triple double on Apr 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
utah forward would do as well
why not try to land milsap…prob would cost us turk though
i also was thinking of trying to get iverson since we don’t have the reliable person to go to every game (again would cost us turk) but i would get yelled at here
Iverson????
Iverson? We’re talkin about Iverson?
There will be a cool breeze in Hell before the magic ever signed that dude
by AB's triple double on Apr 28, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Boozer wouldn't be a good fit for Orlando.
He’s a terrible defender and doesn’t fit the “character” type of guy GM Otis Smith looks for. Millsap would be nice but as you alluded to, it’d cost Turk and that’s not a smart move when the Magic just need a veteran role player like McDyess to further bolster the bench a bit.
Iverson? Really?
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Milsap might be worth the loss of Turk.. but surely pass on Iverson
MyDyess would be a big pick up, but current expensive salaries hurt chances!
man up!
I think....
…we may be surprised at whats going to be avaliable at bargins prices this off season, and McDyess has shown his desire to to win a ring. Orlando may be the best fit for him, though Cleveland may make a run as well.
Bring on the Pistons!!
Orlando is a possibility, but as you mentioned, so is Cleveland, etc.
Thing is, there are too many obstacles in the Magic’s way to make a real run at McDyess. We’ll see.
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Pass unless we sign him for a steal and a one year deal.
Dude’s gonna be what 36 years old? How much longer does he have?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Vets at that age...
…and that desperate will sign for almost anything to be still considered relevant. So its not a long shot to see him here next season.
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by magic12ball on Apr 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
True, he'd probably outrebound Gortat =)
If the Hammer is still here.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He would sign for the veteran's minimum, wherever he goes. That's a near guarantee.
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Weren't you just saying we wouldn't be able to afford the Veteran's minimum for him?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
We could, if we traded Battie to clear some payroll.
GM Otis Smith, more than likely, has to move a body to free up some money for Turkoglu. Depending on who he moves, enough money could be allotted to make a run at McDyess.
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Is trading Battie...
….really that much of an unseen future for us? I think it would help (being that he is an expiree after this season) to have a true PF along side Howard.
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by magic12ball on Apr 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Battie is an overpaid bench player.
It makes absolutely no sense paying Tony roughly $6.2 million next year when the Magic can move him, sign McDyess to the veteran’s minimum, and get better production at a cheaper price. It’s all about cost-benefit for Orlando ..
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Whether it's an expiring contract or not...
What team is going to be thrilled about paying him 6+ next year?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
All you need is one GM who finds value in him.
.. that’s all that it takes.
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He may be 36 but Orlando would only need him for a year and ..
.. he’s proven to STILL be a productive player. Not like he’s going to be starting, either.
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Oh he's got plenty
Dude is still a factor and can avg double figures even at this age. Was pretty much the only player on Detroit’s core with heart.
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
.. or at least one of the few players that had a pulse in Game 4 vs. the Cavaliers.
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That's a huge pickup
But he maybe a harder catch given his stock right now
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
If we're talking Otis being about acquiring players without character issues (sans Rafer?)
Well, I’ve got a video clip of Ben Gordon to show you from Sunday.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
He had an itchy jock strap
And waited to hit the shot to scratch to take of it…
Thats all I took from it. (pause)
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL, if you watch the clip.
It looks like he hits the shot, grabs real quickly, realizes he shouldn’t be doing it, stops, then a second later has a change of thought and goes back to it vigorously. I was told his quote was something like, “I was hit in the head earlier in the game and I didn’t realize what I was doing.” Although, I can’t find the quote, so I don’t know if this is true or not, I’d like to find out though, LOL.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Signing Ben Gordon doesn't make sense.
.. and the Magic couldn’t afford him anyway, assuming the team re-signs Hedo Turkoglu.
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Good idea...
I Actaully hate Mcdizzy because it drive me crazy when the Magic play Detriot. Everytime he take howard away from the basket and hits that stupid 15 footer i want to throw my shoe at the tv. The guy is lights out from mid-range. This is not even an issue. Trade the idiot HEDO and this can very easily happen. We need a 4-man who actaully plays inside and can grab some bourds and play tuff D. This would allow Lewis to play is natural small forward position which would allow him to shine.
One thing people arent thinking about but we should make a major priorty is keeping Gortat. We need him around to back up Dwight. Any thought on that?
Idiot Hedo?
Thanks to that idiot, the series is tied
by AB's triple double on Apr 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't recognize the user name.
Not sure he’s a magic fan.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I just found it today...
Guess what…i am a huge magic fan and HEDO is an idiot. That shot in the 4th was insanly stupid and careless. You have the most domintant center in the league on your team. Give him the ball stan. Why would you take a three anyway? Drive to the basket and get fouled. If he would have missed it we would have lost the game and everybody would be freaking out. I think he is terrible. He shoots entirely to much and is a stupid player. Get him out of Orlando
Agree somewhat...
I agree that sometimes Hedo does take some ill-advised shots and tries to take over the offense when it is clear we need to get it inside to Dwight Howard. But I still think he is an integral part of the team and makes the offense work, freeing up space for both Howard and Rashard Lewis.
I would like to see him back in Orlando because it would mean less turnover and we would not have to start over with a new offensive system (having two 6-10 guys who can drive makes the Magic incredibly potent offensively). But throughout this series I have not been sure how I feel about Hedo. I am somewhat curious what would happen without him.
That is a question for Otis to answer, I guess.
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by philrsquared on Apr 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on the fence with Hedo, but I would welcome him back because as you said ..
.. it would limit roster turnover and it would provide continuity with the team. Turkoglu this year was average at best on offensive, statistically, but there are certain aspects of his game that can’t be tracked on a score sheet. He’s a 6’10’’ small forward that can handle the rock. There aren’t that many type of players in the NBA .. he’s a unique player. Sure, another player could step in and emulate his numbers, but maybe not his overall impact.
It would all depend on the player in question.
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Let me get this straight...
Hedo, taking a shot he is comfortable with and has hit on multiple occasions is insanely stupid, yet your suggestion is to give the ball to the most dominant center in the league? The same dominant center that shoots FT’s at a 50% clip and would automatically be sent to the line to shoot 2 with time remaining on the clock? His percentage would indicate he would make one or two (although that is FAR from guaranteed.) Even if he does, that gives the Magic a 1 point lead with a few tics left, easily enough time for Philly to hit another game winning two or three. The play drawn up for Hedo, not only allowed him to take a shot he was comfortable with, but allowed the clock to drain down completely, ensuring that if worst came to worst, we’d be going to OT.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
First of all, how do you know that play was to throw up a three?
Hold the ball, yes. Drain the clock in order to prevent a game winner by detriot, but with 3 seconds left, why not throw the ball to the All-Star center that sometimes plays on our team, i think his name is Dwight Howard. Sure they would foul him, thats exactly what we want. But if he hits one out of two we have the lead with about one second left. If he made the first, Intensionaly missing the second would make it impossible for them to even get the shot off. Regardless to us being up by one point or two, Philly had to had to take a three because there was no time. Point is this is not HEDO’s team at all. It’s Howards and Lewis’s. Hedo should never have the ball in his hands with the game on the line. period!!! Maybe it isen’t his fault its Stan’s, but with the game on the line, set up a pick and roll with Dwight atleast and dont give HEDO an isolation play. He is stupid and his game is ugly and i am excited to see him depart from Orlando after this off-season.
Being honest, he has done some big things for the team in his years here. But we could be a beast if we focused on an interior attack. Dwight Howard is a superstar…treat him as such. Get him a powerforward with some POWER and i’ll get you a ring!!
The play was designed for Hedo Turkoglu to take the three.
It was beautifully conceived because Turk had enough time to get into a rhythm dribbling the ball, spotting up, and ultimately, taking the shot he’s comfortable with.
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There is no way the play was to take a three...
No coach in the history of basketball would draw up a play for a three when the game is tied. That would never ever ever happen…ever. The play was isolation which means he can do what he wants. What he should have wanted was to not take a three. If you drive and make a layup your ahead. If you miss but get fouled, your ahead. (HEDO is good at screaming like a baby when someone breathes on him, you can hear it in the nosebleds.) If he drove the entire Philly defense would come to him leaving dwight to grad a put back easily. Go look at the tape, Howard could have easily got deep position on the post and had an entry pass find him. And you dont have to shot to get fouled in basketball, its called the Bonus. I’d rather Philly heave the ball from half court then get the ball on thier side of the court and allow and possible make. Thats why its called a Prayer. Sounds like your watching the games but you have never play’d in one and dont understand how it works.
If you watched the pressers after the game ..
.. you’d note that, clearly it was an isolation set, but that SVG intended for Hedo to take the shot he’s most comfortable with, which is the fadeaway three. The coach didn’t say that explicitly but that was the assumption. I agree that it would have been wiser to attack the basket, create the foul, and shoot some throws. But it’s a moot point, because that’s not what happened.
I understand basketball concepts, seeing that I’ve played the game since I was a kid. No need to assume and belittle my opinion by pre-judging my knowledge.
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You do realize that Doc Rivers drew up a corner three for Ray Allen in a tie game
just three nights ago? Never, huh? It’s about comfort. Ray + Hedo are more comfortable shooting a three than a 20 foot jump shot.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You're now contradicting your self.
First you said get the ball to Dwight in that situation, after his free throws, Philly surely has time to put up a shot from half court.
Now you’re saying, you’d rather have Philly heave it from half court than get the ball on their side and set up a possible make?
After that tremendous flip-flop, I now seriously question who understands the concepts of the game.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen son..
You questioning my fan hood is a bit much. If you just compared HEDO’s 3-point ability to Ray Allen then i am about to cry. You misunderstood what i said. Ball should be in the hands of someone other than him, and taking a threepoint shot to win the game is stupid hands down. Doc did not draw up a three, he made a play that got the ball to Allen. He does with it what he wants. In his case taking a three might be a better shot. In our case, its not.
Son...
Am I questioning your “fan hood” because I asked you to name me one play that has played for Orlando the past 10 years that even comes close to being as clutch as Hedo. You stated
No coach in the history of basketball would draw up a play for a three when the game is tied. That would never ever ever happen…ever.
And I stated, yes, in fact, one day, merely four days ago.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy, easy.
No need to get into a personal argument. Let’s just call it a truce and move on, shall we? Thanks guys.
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Im telling you he dident draw up a three
He made a play that got Allen the ball. Then allen makes the decision from there. There haven’t been many clutch Magicians because we haven’t been in a contending position very long. Anyone can be clutch if you give them the chance. But its all about who you give the ball to. I believe Dwight Howard is one for one in game winning attempts is he not?
son!!
you do know we had tracy mcgrady a couple of years back, and in his prime he was slighly more clutch than the turkish sensation
Off the top of my head.
The only game-winning shot I remember T-Mac hitting was against the Pistons in the regular season in 2002.
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Last warning.
.. enough with the name calling. Please. Let’s try to keep everything civil during a discussion, thanks.
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DAUGHTER!!!
TMAC on the magic didn’t even have half of the game-winners that the Turkish prince has. Come correct, or not at all.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 29, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you realize how virtually impossible it is to get the ball to Dwight Howard with 3 seconds remaining
and then have him fouled with only 1 second remaining? I can’t believe I’m even taking part in this argument. DH would be fouled immediately. It takes time to get the entry pass to him, have him set and go up for a shot, it’s just not feasibly smart to go to him with the game on the line, the higher percentage shot is Turk anywhere on the floor with the clock at 1 second or less than Dwight at the line with the game on the line and the Sixers with time to get a shot off. Keep in mind they had a time out. Whether he made 1 or 2, there probably would have been about 2-3 seconds AT LEAST, more than enough time for the Sixers to set something up from half court, I mean look, Iggy almost made that wild 3 as it is. He will get us a ring, but still, we shouldn’t be going to him in that situation everyone that watched enough Magic basketball can tell you that.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The three-point shot, when you think about it, wasn't wise ..
.. but as DSK said, that’s the shot that Hedo Turkoglu is most comfortable taking. How many times have we seen Turk take a fade-away three to win the game? A bunch of times.
I agree, somewhat, that the better course of action would have been to attack the basket and draw the foul, but it’s a moot point now. Not sure why you’re hating on the dude. He isn’t stupid.
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hedo=he dont
hedo has hit many great shots for us over the years, but he is an illegimate scoring threat. He does the same thing every game, he runs down the court, looses the ball, lets out a ridiculus tyrkish scream in hopes of getting a foul. This works sometimes but all to often it doesnt. He needs to put up or shut up. Play like he wants another contract next year, score points, get boards, and not make turnovers. We need Paul Millsap for hedo, it would be a great trade, the jazz get another goofy foreigner and we get a beast on the boards, someone who is a decent offensive threat, and defense.
Hedo isn't an illegitimate scoring threat.
The reason why he had a down year this season is because every team in the NBA was keying on him defensively. Of course he’s going to regress to the mean. That’s only natural. You have to think about why it is that Turkoglu is struggling .. he’s playing on a bum ankle, he’s trying to deal with the contract situation, etc. Mentally, the dude is preoccupied.
Millsap would be nice but expect the Jazz to hold onto and re-sign him. He’s not going anywhere and they don’t need Turk anyway. Where would they play him? They already have Kirilenko, Korver, etc .. the trade doesn’t make sense, at all, on their end.
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hedo
I agree that the jazz arent going to trade, but it sounded nice in theory. I dont care how much hedo has to think about, he gets paid to play basketball and make shots. So he just needs to play and while were on that subject, Lewis needs to pick his game up also, he also has a lot on his mind but this is their job, people pay money to watch the games, they also have a lot on their minds, but they pay to see the game. Stop half-a**ing it and lets win
It's tough, man.
.. especially for Rashard. Life comes before basketball, and I applaud Lewis’ ability to chug away with each game while his family is dealing with health issues.
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I'm sure that Rashard Lewis
could care less about how much you pay for a ticket when his brother has cancer. If you don’t like his play, don’t buy a ticket? Don’t know what else to say, but he is going to try his hardest without having to take the fan’s economic situation into account.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, I agree that I don't like when our offensive game plan is run through the Hedo drive and verbal flop.
The refs became aware of that two years ago and hasn’t worked as well as it used to anymore. Millsap for Hedo would be a good trade, but the Jazz would not do that. Plus, we’d have to resign Hedo, or he’d have to pick up his option (which he won’t) for that to even be a possibility, therefore, it’s a moot point.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Err .. Hedo isn't an idiot, first of all.
Second of all, Rashard Lewis has thrived playing power forward, more so defensively. Obviously offensively Big L could benefit more from being more versatile with his game (attacking the basket, posting up, etc), but nevertheless, he causes matchup problems at the 4.
Re-signing Gortat would be nice but the priority is and will be re-upping Turkoglu. Kiss the Polish Hammer goodbye, because unless GM Otis Smith tweaks the roster and makes some moves, Marcin is gone.
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As a person who watched the Pistons as much as I watched the Magic the past 10 + years...
I say YES. The dude has been mighty impressive for a guy his age and given his injuries. With McDyess you have a guy who is willing to put it all on the floor. He has the ability to knock down the 20 footer, rebound well, play defense and hustle. And believe me when I say this dude has heart like you wouldnt believe. I actually felt incredibly bad for him the last few years the Pistons missed the Finals cause he joined them just after they won the title and was the only one hungry for a title. It really hurt seeing him after there playoff exits. Dude has rebounded from his injuries to be one of the most likeable dudes in the league.
I know there is gonna major concern for mileage here but I dont think he would have to exert himself so much in Orlando, given Stan’s plea for the others to play D. More likely, he can come in as a vetran leader and provide a vocal presence in the locker room and assist Dwight on the floor as well as being a mentor. I like this more than the idea of bringing in Sheed as a backup role to mentor Dwight as has been rumoured and suggested often.
Sign this man!
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If only it were that easy.
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Can we get the day's game thread up? We're fiendin' here!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
We still have like 8 hours to go
lol
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It'll be up in a few hours.
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Pay the man! He's been more CLUTCH during his Orlando career than any of his teammates.
Who would we trust more to take game winner after game winner? TURK! He’s playing through an ankle injury, although he’s had an off series (the first three games) let’s not forget he was an integral part of one of our most successful seasons ever. He’s also the reason why we’re still alive and this series isn’t 3-1 in Philly’s favor. Are we really that much of a “what have you done for me lately?” fanbase? Well, if we are, I see no reason why anyone should have a bad thing to say about the man, TODAY.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i was talkin bout dice, but
i’d like hedo back as long as he doesn’t want 5/50 mil. 4/32, sure, but if he leaves, he leaves, and we need consider getting a big 4 and sliding lewis back to the 3.
www.last.fm/user/mhetrick04
I hear ya, I don't want to pay him what he's not worth, don't get me wrong.
If a team wants to overpay for him (will probably happen, depending on how well he plays the rest of the postseason) then we obviously won’t be able to match. With that said, say we get a big 4, say it was McDyess or even someone a bit better and younger. With the current roster, who becomes the go to guy with games on the line? Rashard? Courtney? I just don’t see us having someone to his the big pressure shots in the fourth quarter if we lose Hedo.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jameer Nelson. Case closed.
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He was Clutch in LA, still wouldn't trust him as much as I do Hedo, if Hedo's gone than Meer is our guy, agreed.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
dude's you woulda loved it
i had the entire 206 section chanting ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE at me on Sunday. it was glorious.
hedo hit that shot and i was the only one still talking.
www.last.fm/user/mhetrick04
I was there this season 4 rows behind floor seats when the Magic made the awesome 4th quarter comeback.
Same situation.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know, I don't understand it either, it's a what have you done for me lately attitude.
Surely, he regressed a bit this season. Sure, he had a weak first three games.
BUT
Name me someone who’s played on the magic in the past 5 years, hell 10 years, that has made as many game winners and clutch shots than Hedo? NAME SOMEONE EVEN CLOSE!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd honestly say Hedo is one of the more clutch players in the entire league right now
top 15, for sure.
I remember a stat from last season, it was either from last year's stats or the year before
but the stat was: 4th quarter leading scorers and the top two were:
1)Kobe
2)Lebron
#3? Yep. Hedo.
I could agree with that, although with the game winning shot on the line, I’d be hard pressed to even find 10 people I’d rather have taking the shot than Hedo.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are clutch stats from 2007-2008, Hedo was 14th
This only accounts for 5 minutes left in the 4th or OT, with neither team winning by more than 5 points, so it’s not very accurate, but:
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM
This year, the same stat he’s not even top 30.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hedo.
He was clutch last year, insofar, that Turkoglu turned it on in the fourth quarter. The reason why he doesn’t rank high in clutch stats is for one main reason, efficiency. Turk is not efficient in crunch-time .. he wasn’t last year and he isn’t this year.
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Yeah man
Leave our Turkish Delight alone :(
(Pause, no homo)
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
What’s it take, the man can hit another game winner tonight and it won’t be enough for some people. Oh well, like the infamous Kat Williams quote, “You need haters in your life.”
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Im consistant.
I’m pretty amazed that no one hates Hedo like I do. Not joking, Everyone i have ever spoken to in person about the Magic agree HEDO is a bum. Guess people just feel differently about his game. Some people take his three pointer as a heroic effort to save Orlando’s season. I say it was a stupid shot that went in and now HEDO is on the Sentinal repping his Orlando Jersey like a rapper from Compton. Grab Lue off the bench and let him jack up a three…he is in my top 10 for sure. Foyle to…Iso for him and take a three….that guy is sooooo clutch.
Ok, you went from having a valid opinion to now just sounding foolish. Lue/Foyle...
starting to contemplate whether you’re even an Orlando fan.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Foyle and lue
Come on man, those guys are the NBA’s future, he is not honestly suggetsing that we ever give the ball to lue or foyle, even though foyle does look good blocking the camera out of the huddle. i wish they gave those kinda of jobs away. He gets paid to sit on his overweight butt and block the camera. Lue is another subject, at least he actually gets up with gortat and cheers when the team does something good, he is older than dirt but he stiil manages to do more than Foyle.
Everyone you've talked to agree, Hedo's a "bum?"
How many “bums” were the MIP the year before? He should have been an all-star last year and wasn’t far off from being one this year.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign. Him. Up.
Dice is a warrior and I’ve long been an advocate of both him and Maxiell. He could be the piece to take us over that hump, especially with his experience and skillset. Would take a lot of pressure off of Howard down low.
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Word.
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Come on man, you know im not for real.
Im just mocking people who think HEDO is clutch. Here is the conclusion we can draw from todays argument. HEDO is undoubtly a good player. But he is the kind of player you love or hate i guess. I, for one my brothers, dont like his game and i sqirm whenever the ball is in his hands. Others think he is a GOD like idol to build a team around. There is just something about him i dont like. Alright someone answer this….Are you willing to spend the money he will require next year on him?? Now bum might not be the word because the man had a nice house and such…But he could build a mansion with all the bricks he’ll be throwing over the course of his new contract if we try to keep him. So say goodbye to HEDO and hello to a chicken-sandwich because if i was a GM i would have traded him for one last year.
I mean I think he maybe should pick his shots better....
But I dont know if he’s that worthless. Especially how he was nearly an All-Star last year.
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by Wasabi Steak on Apr 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, last year Hedo was a borderline All-Star.
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Look.
Hedo is both complimented and criticized here. Just a few days ago, I pointed out that Turkoglu has been struggling so far in the playoffs. Next day, I gave Turk some dap with his own picture post. It’s a two-way street. When you do something right, we’ll point it out, When you do something wrong, we’ll point it out.
To answer the question, you re-sign Hedo to an affordable contract … $7 million – $8 million, at the most. Given the current economic state of the NBA and also given the fact that there are few teams with enough disposable income to make an offer to Turkoglu, expect Turk to get a “reasonable” contract offer.
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Dollars and sense
-Love McDyess but like E said, very tough to sign with Hedo and Gortat. And a backup Center is more important than a backup PF. Altho he can play some at the C..
-Hedo is dope. But what if the Magic re-evaluate things over the summer? Jameer stepped up his game in the 4th qtr and now can be counted on as the closer. Could Lamar Odom be a better option? Would he be willing to leave the Lakers? This is going to be a weird year for free agents so it is WAY too early to even guess what might happen. But its still fun.
-Don’t forget about Detroit’s other PF/C: Rasheed Wallace. Huge gamble but it could work. Actually a perfect PF/C in this offense.
Not sold on Jameer being counted on as the closer.
He’s loved among this board and for good reason, he had a STELLAR first half and made some clutch shots in the fourth in LA. Outside of that, he hasn’t shown me enough that I can declare him as being “counted on as the closer.” Jameer did it for half a season, after tons of people were hating on his contract in regards to his play the previous two seasons, whereas Hedo has been doing it for years.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson fits the statistical profile to be a "go-to player" but yeah, need to see more.
Nevertheless, Jameer is more than capable of being ‘the guy’ in the fourth quarter.
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True, statistically, yes.
If he becomes a go to guy though, wouldn’t you think the opposition would put a bigger, great defender on ’Meer drastically altering the game winning shots that he would normally take throughout the game?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
For instance, I believe that "game-winning" three he hit in LA was over Fisher, what if Kobe was defending him
instead of being preoccupied with Turk?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends on the matchup, sure.
I’m just speaking in an overall sense.
To .. sorta answer your question, even if Bryant were on Nelson, the Magic could have rectified that problem by running a play which forces Kobe to switch to another man. Considering the weapons Orlando possesses offensively, more than likely to occur.
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Push comes to shove, I'd pick McDyess over Gortat.
A few reasons … a.) he’ll come at a cheaper price b.) he fits the offense much better than Gortat does. As you alluded to, McDyess possesses the ability to sink the mid-range jumper with consistency and regularity, c.) veteran leadership. I’m a Gortat fan, but this is an instance where I favor McDyess.
Second point, Lamar Odom would be way too expensive for the Magic. He’s going to be demanding, at least, $10 million dollars .. just too steep of a price for Orlando. I love LO’s game but too pricey.
I like ‘Sheed .. but GM Otis Smith wouldn’t touch him.
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I hate looking ahead to next year when this one isn't over
but this would be huge coup for the Magic. As much as I like Gortat, I’ve come to realize offensively, he and Howard would not work together for 20-25 mins a game. Even though he is good, why pay the guy more money when he’s really only going to give you about 10 mins a night, 15 tops. McDyess may not be the shot blocker Gortat is, but he is a great 1-on-1 post defender PLUS he can shoot the mid-range J so he and Howard won’t be both be clogging up the paint.
Starting line up of Jameer, Lee, Hedo, Lewis, Howard. Alston, Pietrus and Dice getting 15-20 off the bench…this team will be phenomenal. But again…don’t like looking ahead too much when there’s still work to be done this year.
Yup, I agree, let's concentrate on the task at end.
We’ll have plenty of time for off-season speculation, that lineup would be sick though!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Apr 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I would .. tout Orlando as the team to beat next season if that was the main rotation.
That’s not even Magic bias. I could easily back up my assertion with empirical evidence.
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We agree on that.
HEDO is not as bad as i make him out i just dont like his game. Dont be so sensative guys. Its just one’s mans opinion. I just think we will be better without him and ya’ll dont. But lets focus on tonight. Who will be at the game with me?
Just a difference of opinion. That's fine .. like I've said many times here, I welcome friendly discussion.
You’ve definitely spurred, for the most part, constructive argument/debate over the issue.
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I just dont want Sportspick to come and kill me or anything.
He is getting pretty into this. I respect him and his opinion. As i do with all people who value sports. Lets just move onto round two. Question…. with both teams in their present stats who would the Magic rather face next round? A KG-less Boston or a surging Bulls team??
Either team would work.
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Either...
Beggars can’t be choosers. Let’s get out of the first round first.
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by philrsquared on Apr 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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Did anyone notice?
Last night during the game they mentioned something about people ripping HEDO on the blogs yesturday. Think they are talking about us?
LOL
Perfect.
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Ah, yes.
Horace’s infamous brother, Harvey.
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Harvey Grant is the best example of how heart and will can make the difference betweeen a good and a great player
He was virtually genetically identical to Horace but could never reach his level of play with the only difference between them being what was on the inside.
Well said.
Harvey definitely had similar gifts to Horace, but couldn’t capitalize on them.
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I should have started reading this 2 days ago.
It took 4ever to read. Glad I didn’t comment. I probably would have been blackballed. I think Hedo is a great playmaker, but I’m ready for him to move on. We’re paying Lew too much to have his growth stunted by Turk. How can he become a closer if he doesn’t get the opportunity to close? As much as DH says give the ball at the end, if you watch tape, he will almost always defer because he knows he won’t make the right decision with the ball (imho). He will get better with time, but for now we pay Lew to be the MAN. Tonight was a glimpse of what is to come. GO MAGIC!!!
With C. Lee out for the time being, Big L will need to continue to step up.
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Where has Hevchv been?
I need back up when everyone was ganging up on me when i said get rid of HEDO.
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