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Detroit Pistons 98, Orlando Magic 94

Detroit Pistons guard Richard Hamilton pumps his fist during Detroit's 98-94 comeback win over the Orlando Magic

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The Orlando Magic continued their lengthy streak of futility against the Detroit Pistons by losing tonight, 98-94. Detroit outscored Orlando, 56-49, in the second half, and ended the game on a 9-4 run. Dwight Howard's 27 points and Rashard Lewis' 21 weren't enough to stop a Detroit offense that ran with uncanny precision; the Pistons had 30 assists on 40 made baskets, and only 7 turnovers. Detroit's victory gives it a 3-0 sweep in the season series, and makes it the only Eastern Conference team the Magic did not defeat this season. Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu left the game with a left Achilles injury and did not return. Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, and Antonio McDyess--the usual Magic-killing suspects on the Pistons--once again lit Orlando up:

  • Hamilton shot only 10-of-25 from the field, but still managed 29 points and a career-high 14 assists.

  • Prince scored 20 points and made what may have been the game-sealing steal, poking the ball away from Dwight Howard with the Magic trailing by 3 and 1:16 to play.

  • McDyess, meanwhile, grabbed a season-high 18 rebounds, with 7 of those coming on the offensive glass for another season-high.

Detroit also got valuable minutes from Kwame Brown, who scored 10 points and grabbed 6 rebounds in 20 minutes; he also took a charge and, on one possession, stripped Howard cleanly in a style Rasheed Wallace would have admired. Reserve forward Walter Herrmann wasn't efficient, scoring 7 points on just 3-of-8 shooting, but ignited the Palace crowd with an acrobatic up-and-under reverse layup reminiscent of Julius Erving. I assure you this is not hyperbole.

TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Magic85110.850.8%45.318.817.7
Pistons115.345.6%16.530.08.2

I'm not kidding when I say this game went exactly as we all should have thought it would. The Magic played well early, getting the ball to Howard inside. If he wasn't finishing, he was getting fouled, and making his free throws. The Pistons shot 35% in the first half, but their frequent offensive rebounds, and subsequent ability to convert on them, mitigated the poor shooting overall. Stan Van Gundy once again went with a tall lineup of Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat at the power positions, but it didn't work. The only time the Magic were really able to get anything going offensively was when McDyess was out of the game. With him on the bench, the Magic could grab a defensive rebound, make a quick outlet pass, and get a good look in transition. With him... not so much. Not at all, in fact, which is one of the reasons I suspect Van Gundy is telling reporters right now he regrets playing Gortat over Tony Battie, who did not play at all tonight.

But the Dwight/Marin Experiment wasn't Stan's only questionable lineup move of the night. Ace rookie defender Courtney Lee played well in his limited minutes, but it was J.J. Redick who played more minutes, and in more significant situations. Maybe Lee was hurt, or sore, or ill... but if he wasn't, there's no reason for his not playing. Leaving Redick to contend with Hamilton, one of the best off-the-ball players in the league, is suicide.

There was also some bizarre execution down the stretch for Orlando. Let's set the scene: the Magic lead by 1 and get possession after Brown misses two free throws. The lineup on the floor is Rafer Alston, Redick, Lewis, Gortat, and Howard. On this key possession, in which a three-pointer would have made it a two-possession game with roughly two minutes to play, the Magic run a pick-and-roll with Redick and Gortat on the right wing.

Yes, in crunch time, against a team that's had their number for God knows how long, the Magic run a side pick-and-roll with their two least-experienced players on the floor. Howard and Lewis, their two healthy All-Stars, are nowhere to be found. Although Redick is able to feed Marcin the ball, he bobbles the catch. Brown (figuratively) eats his jumper at its release point, igniting a Pistons fast break. Rodney Stuckey drills a pull-up jumper, giving Detroit a lead it would not relinquish.

A Redick/Gortat pick-and-roll, with Lee and Battie on the bench and Howard and Lewis just... standing there. And Rafer Alston, whose handle is much more reliable than Redick's, is also out of the picture. Stupefying.

It's likely that these two teams will meet in the playoffs, as the Magic appear to have secured the third seed, and the Pistons in good position to secure the sixth. If that's the case, the Magic should count themselves lucky to win even a single game, nevermind the series. About the only good news to come out of this game for Orlando is that it won't have to play Detroit again this regular season.

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We got mauled on the offensive glass, and didn’t handle the ball.

Something of a running theme against the better sides, it has to be said.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 9, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

The Magic certainly need to get tougher in the paint defensively, with regards to rebounding.

.. especially when Orlando faces teams like Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, etc.

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by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Detroit have our number!

If this pan out like its look, we are in serious trouble. Hope that Van will NOT make the same inventions, in the playoff, as tonight.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Mar 9, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't mind the Gortat/Howard pairing. It works defensively ..

.. however, SVG may need questionable personnel moves (like not playing Lee at the end of the game).

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by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

well
It’s likely that these two teams will meet in the playoffs, as the Magic appear to have secured the third seed, and the Pistons in good position to secure the sixth.

Three losses separate the 4-7th seed, so I would say that they’re in good position to secure the sixth. With 20 games left to play, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them battle Atlanta and Miami for 4th or 5th.

Anybody but the Pistons! ANYBODDDDDDY!!!!!

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Mar 9, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

wouldn't say*

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Mar 9, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Detroit is currently projected to finish 6th in the East.

.. and if I was a Pistons fan, I’d be completely fine with that.

Hell, I’d go so far as to say Detroit is better off just making sure they finish 6th in the standings. Why move up when you have a first-round match-up you can easily win?

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by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

It'd be nice if basketball works like that

but it doesn’t… to our benefit. The 4-7 seeds are so tight that one really good or one really bad week long stretch for any of those teams would knock Detroit out of 6th. It’s surely possible we could meet in the first round, but its just as possible as meeting any of the other teams.

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Mar 10, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

it bothers me how the Pistons seem to relish playing and beating us

I don’t get it. What the hell did we ever do to them? I really hate that team.

You read it! You can't unread it!

by TheGiantSquid on Mar 10, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Blame T-mac.

When we had them down to an elimination game some years back and T-Punk started trash talking how we were gonna sweep them and then it happened. They came back and won three straight to put us out of the playoffs and that started our one of many 1st round exits. T-B!tch is still sulking in this futility. Can’t wait till this summer. Rasheed Wallace won’t be back with the Pistons and Supe really looks up to him. I’d love for him to come be our 4. Shard can go back to the 3 and Turk, well good luck Sir.

by hevchv on Mar 10, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correction, T-Mac said (I'm paraphrasing) that it was finally nice to get out of the first round.

This was when the series was 3-1, as you stated.

TGS .. that’s essentially where this whole fiasco started.

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Hey yo, who's the best/heavy like dumbbells on your arms/I bury you broads, while spitting barbarian bars - Black Milk

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't think

any members of this current Detroit team really care about T-Mac said. Did they at the time? Surely. Do they “get-up” for games, thinking about what a former player said 5 years ago? Absolutely not.

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Mar 10, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Prince does.

Probably not holding a grudge, but at least appreciative of how T-Mac jump started his career. And he shows he’s appreciative by poking away pass to Dwight, and by blocking Hedo’s layup last year, and by …

by pcnyc on Mar 10, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would agree that the current Detroit team doesn't care about what T-Mac said five years ago ..

.. but that’s not the point of this discussion. TGS was wondering where did all of this begin? And by this, I mean Detroit’s absolute dominance against Orlando in any form of organized basketball.

Thus, an answer was provided.

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Hey yo, who's the best/heavy like dumbbells on your arms/I bury you broads, while spitting barbarian bars - Black Milk

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the big lineup of gortat and dwight actually was good, and that is why stan stuck with it. notice how the two games he has used this lineup were against teams that outmuscle us? i think this big lineup worked well for us. mcdyess had a ridiculous game, the pistons really play their hearts out for us.

stan definitely kept j.j. in there too long, he was getting burned out there by rip….

all that being said, it was a tough physical loss and i think we will be stronger for it….

by coque429 on Mar 10, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions  

The Gortat/Dwight combination works. There's no doubt about it.

Orlando becomes more stout defensively when the two bigs are paired on the floor together. Granted, there’s a hit taken offensively .. but nevertheless, there’s a net gain when the two bigs.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=3&season=22008&split=9&team=Magic&pager.offset=25

Extremely small sample size using crude measures (raw +/-) but there’s indeed a positive coming out of the move.

As for J.J., yeah .. he was in the game far too long. No excuse for Lee to be sitting on the bench during crunch time. That doesn’t make much sense.

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Hey yo, who's the best/heavy like dumbbells on your arms/I bury you broads, while spitting barbarian bars - Black Milk

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like, not only are the players affected mentally vs. Detroit, but ..

.. the coaches too. Van Gundy seems to be off his ‘coaching game’ when he’s pitted against the Pistons. Certainly a parasitic effect going on with the Magic, overall.

I’m not making excuses for Orlando, because they ultimately deserved to lose the game. Just pointing out a mere observation.

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Hey yo, who's the best/heavy like dumbbells on your arms/I bury you broads, while spitting barbarian bars - Black Milk

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 3:45 AM EDT reply actions  

WHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Normally I’d shrug off defeats and say it’s an 82-game season, but the Detroit losses are so much more than a regular loss. Detroit are fully within our heads now. I’d not be surprised if Antonio McDyess decides what our bigs have for breakfast today. That’s how much they are in our heads.

by big aaron on Mar 10, 2009 4:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Pay attention next time

Did everyone see Courtney Lee play in this game? He played absolutely horrible. He’s been shooting terrible lately, and Rip was going crazy to start the game when Lee was guarding him. Granted, Rip’s a great shooting guard, and he was hitting some tough shots against both Lee and Reddick. J.J. gave the team the best chance to win at the end of the game because his offensive game was working, and he was doing a competent job against Hamilton. The last two shots Hamilton hit were off-balance with a hand in his face, and he simply hit them.
The play with Reddick and Gortat worked perfectly, Marcin just didn’t handle it well. Van Gundy took a chance in a regular season game to see what he has come playoff time.. give him a break. I like the Dwight/Marcin combo though for playoff time against Detroit because we didn’t get out-rebounded by them for once.

by twizzylax on Mar 10, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Courtney didn't play well

Couldn’t stay with RIP in the first quarter, then again, not many people can. Uconn baby, their players run the NBA.

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Mar 10, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get the assertion that C. Lee didn't play well.

He scored 10 points in 18 minutes.
Redick scored 9 points in 30 minutes.

Am I missing something?

Not many guys can hold down Hamilton. Detroit does an excellent job of making sure he has separation when he’s running around curls, screens, etc. There’s really nothing Lee, or many players in the NBA for that matter, can do about it.

Yeah, Redick played admirably too but he shouldn’t have been in the game at crunch time.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

Hey yo, who's the best/heavy like dumbbells on your arms/I bury you broads, while spitting barbarian bars - Black Milk

by erivera7 on Mar 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the moving pick by Prince

who basically shoved JJ out behind the baseline to free up Hamilton. It was so obvious on the replay that the Detroit TV guys were silent during replay, then scrambled to come up with lame excuse how “it’s not like Rip needed that screen.” Come on, you knew the refs blew it, just say so or zip it.

by pcnyc on Mar 10, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Detroit and Boston will get that love from the refs.

In a close game we have no chance. In order to win we must blow these two out.

by hevchv on Mar 10, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

in the first half, i would say J.J. played better D on Rip. Courtney kept giving up fouls.

when J.J. was on Rip late in the game he wasn’t fouling him at all. He was just giving him open jumpers. that was the prob.

courtney really picked up his play on both sides of the ball as the game went on, he should have definitely been in there in the 4th on Rip

by coque429 on Mar 10, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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