While [Mickael Pietrus is] a valuable player and I'm sure the Magic would love to have him around, they'll be paying him MLE money through 2012, and might decide that money is better spent elsewhere than on a bench player. Raja [Bell] and Mickael match up salarywise, and Raja's done after next season, so [the Bobcats] get the younger, better, player, while the Magic get a better three point shooter--better for their offensive system--without giving up too much more on defense and getting a lot more payroll flexibility.
David Arnott of Rufus on Fire, SB Nation's Bobcats blog, really wants Mickael Pietrus. I'd welcome the opportunity to get out from under Pietrus' contract, open up playing time for Courtney Lee, and add yet another nice-sized expiring deal to the trade-asset pile.
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I'd do the trade, only because Raja Bell brings back an expiring contract next season.
Pietrus’ salary is going to be a drain on the Magic if he doesn’t pick up his play considerably in the future.
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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t agree less. Pietrus is a very strong sixth man. Well, when he’s not trying to play through a wrist injury, he’s a very strong sixth man. Given that we have no guarantee Courtney Lee will improve in the future, I wouldn’t give up a player like that — if Lee falls apart, Pietrus can fill in as a starter. Lee’s not SO good that I’m sold on him being good forever; a lot of rookies decline after the first year or two.
And there is no real playing time issue — we have three PT-worthy players at the two wing positions in Hedo, Lee, and Pietrus. 3 players, 96 minutes — maybe 90 minutes total, assuming you’ll get a few minutes with Redick in garbage time, maybe the occasional big lineup with Lewis at the 3, etc.
The fact is, Pietrus is cheap for what he does. And we still haven’t seen him at 100%, what with all these injuries. Add in the question mark that is Hedo’s expiring contract, and I think we can’t afford to lose him now. Certainly not for a guy like Bell, who is a good player but is too small to play SF and will be 33 at the start of next season. (Also, his range of skills and style of play are eerily similar to Lee’s — though I don’t know whether that’s a plus or a minus. Maybe he could teach Lee a few things.)
The counter-argument, I think, would be that Pietrus is frequently injured, so it’s not like we can expect him to turn in a season where he doesn’t struggle with injuries. But… I don’t know. I’m not a big fan of trading, and it’s not like losing Pietrus’ contract gets us under the cap.
by 3.3seconds on Mar 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pietrus.
Pre-Detroit injury, Mickael was worth the money given his production. I even made a post about this a while back, stating that Pietrus was best served coming off the bench as a sixth-man because that’s where he was most effective. I internally questioned if his numbers would regress to the mean a bit, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt .. thinking that he’d grown as a player a bit.
However, post-Detroit injury, Mickael has been awful at times. So much so that his numbers have really dipped to a point that he’s NOT worth the money given his production. He’s like Tony Battie in that regard .. both are overpaid bench players in their current state. With a team like Orlando that can’t afford to exceed the luxury tax, it’s imperative that the Magic invest their money efficiently and wisely (more so than ever given that Hedo will presumably get a raise).
Assuming Hedo re-signs next season .. unless Pietrus is starting (which he won’t), it’d be in the best interest of the Magic to trade Mickael away. It’s not worthing paying a guy coming off the bench $5-$6 Mill., especially when you consider the fact that Lee is bringing the same skill set Pietrus does but at a cheaper price and without the injuries. Can Pietrus put up numbers comparable to his contract value? Maybe, but in the end, we probably will never know given that he’s constantly injury-prone. Having Mickael around isn’t smart in the grand scope of things. There are cheaper alternatives out there.
At this point, we have a fair grasp on Pietrus’ ceiling. He’s been around the block enough. I don’t see any evidence at all that he’s going to improve enough where he’ll merit earning his contract that will continue to escalate in price for several years. It’s a shame, but that’s the reality of the situation. I think M.P. has some potential he’s yet to tap, but not sure if he’ll ever be able to reach into that potential.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pietrmi01.html
Losing Pietrus does nothing to get the Magic under the cap, but that’s not the point. The purpose is to a.) get under the luxury tax and b.) be more efficient with funds.
The point of acquiring a guy like Bell is more of a financial move than a personnel move.
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by erivera7 on Mar 8, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the issue for me is that if we trade Pietrus and let Bell (or whoever) walk, we can replace them with… nothing. We’re over the cap. Best-case scenario, we use our MLE to get a guy, but the best you’re going to do with that is replace Pietrus. We don’t move forward.
How much exactly is Pietrus making over the next few years? I was under the impression is was $3-4 million. If it’s more like Battie’s $6 million contract, that’s different.
by 3.3seconds on Mar 9, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pietrus is due $5.3 M each year until 2011/2012, but can opt out after 2010/2011.
His contract is slightly smaller Tony’s current deal, which pays him $5.7 M this year and $6.2 M next year.
by Ben Q Rock on Mar 9, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing though .. sometimes a move like that is necessary.
Yeah, it sucks that the Magic don’t get a player in return but cost-cutting moves like these occur periodically. This is one of those instances.
.. and besides, acquiring an expiring contract theoretically bodes well for Orlando for two reasons, a.) Bell’s expiring contract can be used in a trade (in conjunction with Alston’s and/or Battie’s expiring contracts next year) and b.) if the Magic choose, they can let Bell walk.
It’s a win-win in the long-term because it relieves Orlando a bit payroll-wise.
To be honest, I’d be hard pressed to see how the Magic don’t exceed the luxury tax next season if they re-sign Hedo. Because of that possibility, I’d be shocked if Orlando didn’t move either Alston, Battie, and/or Pietrus via trade next season to put themselves under the luxury tax.
Thus making a trade like this sensible.
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by erivera7 on Mar 9, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The luxury tax doesn’t become “real” until after the trade deadline, right? So we could pay Hedo (and maybe Gortat), get into luxury tax territory, then give either Alston or Battie (or both) the boot halfway through the season to sneak back under the luxury tax threshold?
by eltharion_doa on Mar 9, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It "kicks in" at the end of the season.
So yes, the Magic could theoretically pay Turk & Gortat, then move Alston or Battie at the trade deadline next season to get back under the threshold. Certainly a possibility.
Again, I have a hard time seeing Orlando not exceeding the luxury tax momentarily so that the team can re-sign Turk and maybe Gortat. It seems like an inevitability at this point.
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