Vescey: "Marcin Gortat Will be the Mehmet Okur of This Summer's Free Agent Class."
Orlando Magic center Marcin Gortat shoots a layup against the Utah Jazz
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It's no secret around here that Marcin Gortat is one of my favorite players, and in a completely unironic way. The Magic's second-year reserve center, aka The Polish Hammer, aka The Warlock, has emerged as one of the league's best rebounders and shot-blockers on a per-minute basis. As of today, the only qualified players in the league who rebound at a better rate than Gortat are Portland's Joel Przybilla, Orlando's Dwight Howard, and the L.A. Clippers' Marcus Camby. Because Gortat backs up Howard, the league's best, highest-profile center, he had not received much acclaim outside the Orlando area. Somehow, I don't think Magic fans minded too much, as they don't want Gortat to play himself out of the Magic's price range this summer, when he will enter restricted free agency.
Like all good things, Marcin's relative obscurity had to come to an end. With some solid performances lately (13 points and 15 boards last week against Chicago, 8 points and 8 boards on Sunday against Utah), Gortat has quickly become one of the league's worst-kept secrets. They're even onto him in the Big Apple, where Peter Vescey (yes, I know) wrote the following in today's New York Post (HT: MagicMadness):
Orlando's Marcin Gortat will be the Mehmet Okur of this summer's free agent class. Dwight Howard's raw backup isn't going to come cheaply, but the team that collars him will have spent wisely on a guy guaranteed to average an easy double double.
After the jump, we'll explain how Okur's situation with Detroit relates to Gortat and how Gortat compares with some other similar free-agents-to-be.
Here's a quick rundown of Okur's history with Detroit, to which Vescey alludes: the Pistons made Okur their second-round draft choice in 2001, and he joined the team the following season. In his sophomore year, Okur averaged 9.6 points and 5.9 boards in 22.3 minutes per game while backing up Ben Wallace and Elden Campbell at the power positions, and took over Campbell's starting job from mid-December until early February, when Okur was forced out of the lineup due to back spasms. Detroit shuffled Okur back into the rotation once he was healthy, but there wasn't much room for him after they acquired Rasheed Wallace at the trading deadline. That trend continued into the playoffs, when Okur's minutes dropped to 11.5 per game. The Pistons went on to win the NBA championship, but the Utah Jazz were confident enough to offer the then-25-year-old Okur to a six-year deal worth $50 million, which was too much for Detroit's blood. In five seasons with Utah, Okur has become its 10th all-time leading scorer and has averaged 16.1 points and 7.9 rebounds per game, making one All-Star team as an injury replacement.
To be clear, no team will make Gortat (career averages: 3.5 points, 4.1 rebounds) an offer worth anywhere near half what Okur got, especially not in this economic climate. Right now, it's too early to guess what a more realistic figure for him might be, but statistically, he's almost on-par with three other young, high-energy, high-potential frontcourt reserves who are set to make a fortune this summer in free agency: New York's David Lee, Utah's Paul Millsap, and Boston's Leon Powe. Teams are already lining up around the block for Lee and Millsap, who may see Okur-like money this summer; Powe is not as highly coveted, but may find himself inking a deal worth roughly the mid-level exception, if not more. You can see a side-by-side comparison of all four players' cumulative career statistics by clicking here.
Clearly, Gortat is not on the same tier with those players in terms of offensive skill, although he is fairly efficient. Where he makes up for it, though, is on defense. Rebounding and shot-blocking are in short supply in today's NBA, so Gortat's facility in those two aspects of the game is valuable. And it's not as though he's an all-defense/no-offense stiff in the mold of DeSagana Diop. He's a two-way player, he's young, and the Magic won't have much money. If he continues to play this well, the odds of Orlando's retaining him are slim-to-none. But stranger things have happened. Last year, Houston Rockets forward Carl Landry averaged 8.1 points and 4.9 rebounds in only 16.9 minutes per game, yet only received a three-year, $9 million offer sheet from the Charlotte Bobcats. Houston stopped laughing with glee long enough to match the offer, retaining Landry at well below market value. The situation with Landry is the exception that proves the rule, but if nothing else it gives the Magic and their fans hope that Gortat can indeed stay in Orlando beyond this summer.
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Love it
But can we really believe anything Vecsey says?
Ridiculous? I think Not.
Upside? Plenty.
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by Scott Schroeder on Mar 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
D'oh!
An athletic big guy is always a hot commodity. Very surprised Vescey even brought his name up. I don’t think he will have an impact like Okur but on a team like the Bulls or even the Knicks, he would be an immediate starter and contributor.
Gortat and Hedo. I want both back but the team needs Hedo more than Gortat.
Gortat is good enough to start and average a double-double on a number of teams.
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Okur is a good comparison
I was actually thinking that Gortat will compare to Jim McIlvane of Bullets/Sonics fame. McIlvane backed up Gheorge Muresan on the Bullets and averaged 3pts/3rbds/2blocks or thereabouts. The following season, Seattle signed him to a huge contract that paid more than even Shawn Kemp at the time (which became an issue with Kemp).
I can easily see Gortat getting a midlevel offer from a variety of teams, and the Magic unable to match. I wish Gortat the best; he deserves it. Plus, it would be hysterical if he has a better career than Darko.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Gortat to McIlvane? That's an insult ..
.. I don’t see that comparison at all. The situation with Gortat reminds me a lot of when the Magic let Ben Wallace go via the Grant Hill trade. I knew it would come back to bite Orlando, and it did, as Big Ben blossomed as a Piston.
Gortat definitely is on the level of guys like David Lee, Paul Millsap, etc. .. mostly due to his efforts on the defensive end. As Ben said, Gortat isn’t the greatest offensive player and his skills are lacking in that department, but still, Gortat can still average a double-double with ease if given enough minutes.
I’m a big Gortat fan too. As I alluded to in my Value Rating % post a little while back, Gortat presents the best value on the team (a VR % of roughly 95%) .. he’ll definitely net himself some money via free agency. I hope Gortat comes back but I highly doubt it at this point, which will be a shame because the Magic will be stuck with an overpriced veteran in Tony Battie as the main big man on the roster, who’s only value at this point will be that he has an expiring contract beginning next season. Bleh.
This is my end and my new beginning Nostalgia/Alpha and Omega places, it's like a glitch in the matrix/I seen it at all, did it all, most of y'all been pop for a minute/Spitters, sinners and the game get rid of y'all/Y'all got there but y'all didn't get it all, I want my style back/Hate to cease y'all plan it's the rap repo-man - Nas
Gortat 2008-09: 11.4 MPG, 3.5 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 0.8 BPG, 17.5 PER
McIlvaine 1996-97 (his highest PER season): 18 MPG, 3.8 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 2.0 BPG, 11.1 PER
So… aside from blocks, Gortat produced around the same as McIlvaine in terms of total stats — and did so in less than two-thirds as many minutes. McIlvaine never had any rebounding touch. The stats I posted above were from his first season with Seattle; in his last season with Washington, he averaged 2.9 rebounds in 14.9 minutes.
Statistically, I’d say Gortat’s early-career performance would be closer to a guy Washington hired after losing McIlvaine — a young guy, undrafted. He didn’t play much in his first season. In his second season, 1997-98, he was 23 — a year and a half younger than Gortat is now. His stats looked something like this:
16.8 MPG, 3.1 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 1.1 BPG
So… pretty comparable numbers. A few less rebounds per minute, maybe, but he was younger than Gortat, and of course the Magic’s offense is an easy one for the center to get boards in. His next season with the Wizards, he averaged 8.3 boards in 26.8 minutes, and then they traded him for Ike Austin.
Vecsey is only correct in the comparison...
because both players are foreign….
Okur had a mid-range shot that evolved into a poor man’s Dirk Nowitzki game, with less ball handling ability.
Marcin Gortat is not Ben Wallace. As a Piston fan, and a DC resident, I’ve seen Ben before he was “good” and while he was “good”. Wallace, during his prime, showed a lot more athleticism and quickness than the slowfooted “hammer” has.
Gortat would be wise to look for another deal this offseason, perhaps in the 1-2 year range so that he can seek his fortune on an unrestricted basis after another year or two of seasoning.
Gortat is purely an in the paint player, like Howard. Nothing about Gortat’s game reminds anyone of Okur, and it shouldn’t . If you want my honesty, Gortat and Erick Dampier to me aren’t much different from each other. I see Gortat as a young, flash in the pan, type player who will put up a good year, sign a MLE deal and then be a contract to include in a trade. Gortat is a guy that Orlando needs to keep, considering how bad of a rap they get for being “soft” when their starting lineup consists of a point guard, shooting guard, 2 small forwards and a power forward.
I never said Gortat was Wallace. I said the situation is similar ..
.. with regards to an underrated player moving on to a new team, in which he blossoms.
I would agree that Gortat is a type of guy Orlando needs to keep, but unfortunately, it seems very unlikely that the Magic will be able to re-sign him.
This is my end and my new beginning Nostalgia/Alpha and Omega places, it's like a glitch in the matrix/I seen it at all, did it all, most of y'all been pop for a minute/Spitters, sinners and the game get rid of y'all/Y'all got there but y'all didn't get it all, I want my style back/Hate to cease y'all plan it's the rap repo-man - Nas
You may have seen a lot of Wallace, but I’m pretty sure you have Gortat pegged wrong. He’s not “slow-footed” by any stretch of the imagination. Athleticism is actually his strongest point — he’s got a huge vertical leap.
And I would agree he’s not Wallace — he doesn’t have Wallace’s court sense or physical strength. Dampier… maybe. I’d say he’s as good as Dampier in his prime now, though; Dampier didn’t really become the rebounder he is today until 2003 or so. The young Dampier also had major problems with inaccurate shooting, and Gortat seems to know his offensive game is limited and act accordingly. And he’s lighter than Dampier, and — yes, this again — more athletic. More of a hustle player, definitely — Dampier is rugged, and a great rebounder, but he’s not active. hhe doesn’t make things happen. Gortat makes things happen.
In any event, I think he’s still improving, and will be a solid starter in the NBA one day. Then again, I also think Dampier could’ve done the same, if he hadn’t been plagued by injuries, and if he hadn’t spent so many years with a Dallas team that clearly doesn’t understand/has no use for what he does.
(I also suspect you haven’t been paying attention to the Magic… for a team you call “soft”, they’re among the league’s 2 or 3 best defensive squads.)
Dwight is a PF?
If Wallace was a center at 6’9 then Dwight is a legit center at 6’11. Usually PF don’t lead the league in blocks.
my fault on the Dwight and power forward comment...
he is a center.
I believe you Ben Q Rock in your assumption of Vecsey’s comparison, but let’s not give him that much credit. Gortat doesn’t compare really at all to Okur because Okur played solid minutes at the center/power forward position in that 03/04 title run for Detroit. His minutes tailed off after the acquisition of Rasheed but Gortat’s minutes have not grown, like Okur’s did, at any point during this season.
Even after the latest Pistons’ game, Van Gundy regretted not putting Tony Battie in the game and Battie has been SVG’s security blanket this season.
I’m not trying to talk bad about the guy, he clearly is a defensive presence in the middle because of his size.
3.3seconds, I call the team soft not because of their defensive statistics but because of their lack of a front court presence. Orlando’s offense is a lot like Cleveland’s. A guard handles the ball at the top of the key, 3 guards/forwards stand around the 3 point line/perimeter with Z/Howard in the paint. The only difference between CLE and ORL at this point is ORL does not have a guy who can take it strong to the basket, off the dribble. Hedo can take his man off the dribble but from what I’ve seen, with someone 30 lbs. lighter than him (Tayshaun Prince) who can play decent defense he throws up a wild layup attempt and yells hoping for a foul. Howard is a front court presence but his offensive game is from the painted area in. He has nothing else in the post other than the dunk or power finish at the rim.
I think Gortat’s ceiling is Erick Dampier at his high water mark, which is serviceable BUT expensive.
Gortat’s minutes have… “not grown”? What world are you living in? Apparently, the world where Gortat played the first two months of the season, and where Van Gundy hasn’t been trying desperately to get him as many minutes as possible lately.
Also, the world where a frustrated comment the coach made after one bad game — a comment not so much about Gortat, but about playing Gortat alongside Howard, a combination the team had not tried until a couple days before that Pistons game — serves to substitute for an entire season’s observation and judgment.
Apparently, the world where a team is “soft”, not because they don’t play tough defense, but because they take efficient shots rather than inefficient ones. But that’s another matter.
Admit it — you don’t pay very close attention to the Magic. There’s no shame in that — there are a lot of teams I only watch when they’re playing Orlando, and I’m sure my opinion on them is colored by that small, non-representative sampling. I couldn’t tell you very much about Jason Maxiell, for example, except that he’s a 6’7" power forward who’s never accomplished very much while I’ve watched him. But at least when I go to say something about those teams’ players, I look at the stats first. In this case, the stats suggest he’s a solid though unspectacular player — a hustle guy of some sort, I assume — who has happened to have a few bad games against the Magic this year.
He’s no Marcin Gortat, I can tell you that much.
Hah.
This is my end and my new beginning Nostalgia/Alpha and Omega places, it's like a glitch in the matrix/I seen it at all, did it all, most of y'all been pop for a minute/Spitters, sinners and the game get rid of y'all/Y'all got there but y'all didn't get it all, I want my style back/Hate to cease y'all plan it's the rap repo-man - Nas

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