Play The Role Of Orlando Magic's GM Otis Smith
by erivera7 on Feb 3, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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PrintWith the unfortunate circumstances of last night's game between the Orlando Magic and the Dallas Mavericks taking place, in which All-Star point guard Jameer Nelson tore his right labrum, it appears general manager Otis Smith has been placed in a bit of a dilemma.
For the majority of the season, the Magic have been able to get away with fielding two point-guards on the team (based purely on position). This is mainly due to the fact that Nelson and his back-up, Anthony Johnson, have both been durable so far this year (for the most part). However, given the severity of Nelson's injury and the fact that he may be out for the rest of the season, let's just say Orlando fans are bracing for the worst right now in regards to what Johnson is currently able (or unable) to bring to the table as the starting point guard for the foreseeable future.
With the trade deadline looming ever closer, it would seem that Smith may be forced to make a move to acquire another point guard. It's an acquisition many within this community (including myself) have been pleading for Smith to execute for a while now, but he's been reluctant to make it given his satisfaction with the current roster setup (can't blame him). But it would seem Smith has no choice but to add insurance on a roster depleted at the point-guard spot at the moment.
So with all that said, imagine you're Orlando's general manager. What trade would you make to solve the Magic's depth problem at point guard?
Need some help deciphering which players are available?
You can refer to Chad Ford's recent article on ESPN.com highlighting possible point-guards that could be moved at the trade deadline.
Also, you can note some suggestions Kevin Pelton from Basketball Prospectus made in 3QC's exclusive interview with him a few weeks back. Here's some names Mr. Pelton threw out there:
It's a tough fit, because you've only got about 15 minutes a night available behind Nelson and the depth at shooting guard makes it unlikely you'll see a lot of two-point lineups. Earl Watson would be a guy who would be an upgrade, but he would be unhappy with that role and makes too much money to put in such a limited role. Kyle Lowry would make more sense if he could somehow be pried away from the Grizzlies (maybe they'd have better luck luring Fran Vazquez to the U.S. with Marc Gasol on the roster and would be interested in his rights? No? OK). C.J. Watson, as discussed lately, makes sense. One wild-card option would be Ronnie Price of Utah, who has put up solid numbers in limited minutes over the course of his career and is out of the rotation when the Jazz is healthy (which is never, this season).
To help formulate your trade ideas, I suggest using ESPN's Trade Machine. Once you have a trade proposal in mind, go ahead and post your offer in the comments section so that it can be examined & discussed.
Fire away with those trades!
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We need a back-up PG
Bad-
A lot of those names work, we must get something done if we plan to go deep. You look at the top teams and they have a solid back-up PG.
Boston-House
LA-Farmar
Clev-West and Gibson
SA-Vaughn
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Wrong
We need a starting pg now.
Even if Jameer comes back he won’t be nearly as effective. Personally, I doubt he comes back this season at all.
by magic fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
after the news
I agree.. I was saying moving forward not just for this season.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Barbosa
Would be huge, He shoots it well, and he is a good defender.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
He would be a PERFECT fit for the Magic.
Absolutely perfect.
That’s why I threw his name out there, because the Suns are willing to trade him.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
I'm not sold on his defensive capabilities either, but let's be frank here ..
.. SVG can fix that, easily.
As for him running an offense, that may be a bit of a problem but at this point the Magic can’t be picky about who they need to replace Jameer for the remainder of the season. I think Barbosa is a viable option, given his skill-set.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
Yea
but, you are not going to get a PG you are sold on in the middle of the season, especially for what we would be willing to give up.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
I may not be sold on some of Barbosa's capabilities, but ..
.. I’d take him in a heartbeat, for what it’s worth.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
Regardless of who we pull in, our championship hopes are over. We can forget about the championship. Might as well trade Hedo to see what we can get now.
They're not completely over. Certainly the Magic haven take a huge shot with Jameer's injury and ..
.. I won’t like, I don’t like Orlando’s chances at this point but never say never.
A trade CAN fix things. It’ll be interesting to see how GM Otis Smith responds to the problem.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
It really depends...
If Nelson is out for the season by electing to have surgery, Otis probably needs to try to swing for the fences with a starting-capable point guard or super-sub. Possible trades (not very realistic unless the other teams wants to unload contracts):
Barbosa for Cook, Redick, rights to Vazquez, & couple of first round picks
Earl Watson & Nick Collison (might as well fill power forward need as well) for Bogans (or Redick), Cook, Battie, rights to Vazquez and a pick or two.
If Nelson will only be out for a few weeks, then a decent temporary guard that may or may not preempt AJ eventually:
Kyle Lowry for Redick or Bogans & Vazquez
C.J. Watson & Anthony Randolph for Redick and Gortat plus 2nd rounder
Sign some decent D-Leaguer with heart.
Outside of the D-Leaguer, all of the scenarios are probably pretty unrealistic. I basically want the Magic to give up little to nothing for something.
Maybe Stan will test the Rook’s mettle and put him at point guard and have Pietrus back as starter at shooting guard. I think the Rook could guard the opposing point guard sufficiently, but I would worry about how the Magic’s offense is initiated.
especially
Since teams know we will be pretty desperate.
If Lakers can get Pao(all-star) for nothing then we can’t we?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
But we don't have loved former employees dotted around the league
So we won’t be getting any favours like LA did with Pau.
Why not try and pick up Marbury as insurance. Given his hiatus from the NBA thus far, he’ll be hungry to go and actually have a chance on a real contender. A veteran with the skill-set of Starbury (don’t forget he’s not just a scoring PG, he can hit a pass on a dime as well) would be invaluable in the playoffs.
I think he’d really change his attitude if he was in a happy, harmonious team like Orlando. He’s always been in bad situations and made them worse himself. This is a gamble that could blow up in our face but, given Jameer is man-down, this is the kind of time to roll those dice and try something other than the safe option. Not only could it help put this team over the top, it would show GMs that Otis isn’t a soft GM scared to do anything to this team.
No on Marbury. HELL NO.
No offense, but he would destroy any semblance of a chance that Magic have remaining of winning a Title.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
I know opinions are definitely polarised on Marbury
But we’ve had worse at the point. And if he starts trouble, cut him and look elsewhere.
I also liked whoever brought up Kyle Lowry’s name. Always liked Lowry’s game and feel he’s been given a raw deal in Memphis
Lowry is a decent option.
I’d be on board with him, but I think at this point GM Otis Smith needs to TRY to swing for the fences with a trade. I know that he’s going to be in a bit of a predicament because opposing teams will know that he’s trying to solve his PG woes .. but that doesn’t mean he can’t get a deal that doesn’t satisfy the team’s desires.
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It's why he has to scour the Western Conference for a trade partner
Nobody in the East will want to do the Magic any favors.
Lowry has game
he played well in last years Las Vegas summer league, I like him..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
It's hard to say
Hopefully Nelson gets back, granted I’m not opposed to the idea of trading Hedo for value, however, we don’t want redundancy if we do trade Hedo, that is to say, we would want someone that would fit with Nelson when he does come back. So, if we are to trade Hedo, I’d say it’d be mainly for a big rebounding 4, kind of blue collar guy (David Lee?!) rather than a PG.
Here are my PG suggestions:
Earl Watson, yes he’s expensive and won’t have an expanded role, but this could be a desperation move (Keith Bogans and Brian Cook)
Jamaal Tinsley, another desperation move, probably last resort (Keith Bogans, Brian Cook, and Adonal Foyle)
Ramon Sessions, he’s cheap, but expiring, so could be a temp patch if Magic doesn’t want to commit long term (Keyon Dooling trade exception)
Tyronne Lue, not ideal, but could do worse
Marcus Williams, same as above
CJ Watson, same as above
Leandro Barbosa, problem is there’s not a lot of space in the roster for him, especially when Jameer gets back
Javaris Crittenton, if Orlando can develop the guy… (Keyon Dooling trade exception)
Ben Gordon, actually plays some pretty good point. Dunno if he’ll fit the system, but he is an expiring contract, and if he works out, perhaps Magic could work a way to keep him. (Battie and Foyle)
Nate Robinson (and David Lee), if Orlando can pull this off, I think they’d be geniuses (might have to do some kind of package of Bogans, Redick, and Cook and then eat Jared Jeffries’s contract)
Raymond Felton, but again, this might create some sort of conflict of personalities when Nelson returns
Again I’m of the mind that if Magic do move Hedo it should be for some high value PF.
I’m not opposed to trying to nab Nick Collison, but it brings up the question of whether or not you play Hedo at the 2. I’m personally more of a mind to try to nab a bigger name PF need using Hedo if he’s going to opt out. For now, regardless of whether or not Nelson returns this season, this injury shouldn’t be career ending. So to tide the Magic over, I’m not entirely against a more reserve-ish PG who’s started before (i.e. Earl Watson or CJ Watson) and having him platoon ball-handling duties with Hedo. Those are the only guys that I can think of right now.
Im going with..
1. Barbosa – He would be the best case scenario at this point IMO.
2. Felton
3. Gordon
4. Watson
5. Tinsley – Absolute, last resort.
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion" - Rudy Tomjanovich
I'll give my answer on each PG you listed.
Watson – Maybe.
Tinsley – No.
Sessions – Yes.
Lue – No.
Dooling – Yes.
M. Williams – No.
C.J. Watson – Yes. That’s a trade I proposed a while back on here.
Barbosa – YES.
Crittenton – No.
Gordon – Maybe.
Robinson – Yes. But sorry, that trade would never happen.
Felton – No.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
based on skill set
or Contract or both?
because only one I say to no to based on ability is Lue.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Both.
Tinsley – No, because he would kill the team’s chemistry.
Lue – No, because .. he sucks.
M. Wlliams – No, because .. he also sucks.
Crittenton – No, because he hasn’t done anything of note with his PT in Washington.
Felton – I’ll change my No to a Maybe, for him only.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
I like
M. Williams- Especially in this offense.
I agree on Tinsley, not sure on Crittenton, I haven’t seen him play much.
I really like Felton, but I doubt they let him out the door without something substantial.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Marcus Williams is terrible. Sorry.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima03.html
Yeah .. no.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
If you mean Earl, then yes. If you mean C.J., then no.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
I'll take Travis Diener over Tinsley
Anyone with me?
DIEN-O-MITE!
The pregnancy rate would simultaneously rise in Orlando and fall in Indiana if he came back here
With you x2.
Tinsley would never come to the Magic unless you held GM Otis Smith at gunpoint and forced him to make the trade, or he dies.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
I'll take Darrel Armstrong to retire from
his one week reign as a Dallas assistant and come start for us! What’s 41 years old?
In all seriousness, things aren’t good right now in Disney. I really can’t see this team getting out of the second round if Hedo doesn’t start putting in half of his minutes at point forward. Secondly, it is time to Panic Otis, you must get a STARTING pg, not a backup PG. Trade JJ/Bogans/Cook for Barbosa, I think that might get it done, the suns would find a way to use JJ & Cook in their offense and maybe take a chance that Bogans could regain his stroke.
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The Suns wants defense.
That’s their main desire in trading Barbosa. The Magic certainly have players that can play defense. I think a trade between Orlando/Phoenix is certainly possible.
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Some perspective
Because of Beno Udrih underwhelming Kings nation, it’s not surprising that a few of us have already proposed trades as is. Mine is here, and simple, but it is Beno/Quincy Douby (a cheap expiring contract) for Cook and Redick.
Another is made here, by another StR poster in a fanpost there, and basically is Beno/Moore for Cook/Redick/Battie. His poin is basically that you get the PG you need for this season, and save some money (Moore has a 2 million buyout for the 09 10 season) to re-sign Turkoglu provided he opts out (probably will).
Another proposes adding Vasquez to the package (he made a fanpost but now has deleted it).
Personally, I think at some point Magic fans will have to realize the following. No team gives 2 shits about Orlando’s problem. They will not give up a quality player with a short contract. That’s what Orlando would prefer. That’s not what they will get. They will either get a player whose limited (Earl Watson, Chucky Atkins, Keyon Dooling) in what they offer the franchise. They will get a player like Beno Udrih who has talent but hasn’t consistently realized it, and has a difficult contract to swallow if he isn’t producing. The reason I bring this up, is that if these guys were truly that valuable, then they wouldn’t be traded by the teams they’re currently on. Nobody gets something for nothing in the NBA, including the Lakers with Pau Gasol.
I personally think Beno would fit in pretty well with Orlando. They have shooters (Turkoglu, Lewis), the dominant big man (Dwight), and the defensive stud (Lee) to complement some of what Beno doesn’t do well.
Yes, it’s a risk, and Beno’s contract is so long that it makes it difficult to swallow. On the other hand, you can run a player who isn’t worth much except Brian Cook and JJ Redick anyway, and Beno’s got the best upside of any PG who has to be available. I realize I’m looking at this from the KIngs perspective, but it’s not like Cook or Redick offer them ANYTHING in a trade. Dumping Beno’s contract is the only reason for them to do this deal. Either way, I read something in a Ft Worth paper that mentioned a possible interest in Beno, and if Dallas is interested (for whatever that’s worth), it might mean the Magic lose out. But I have yet to see a player who could help the Magic in the short term, and if Beno fits in quickly, the Magic could have a very successful season. Beno does have that type of talent.
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Beno isn't the answer.
I appreciate ya’ll over at StR trying to come up with trade proposals that could help both sides, but knowing GM Otis Smith, he’d never pull the trigger on that type of trade so it’s .. kind of a moot point to talk about it.
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And my point is simple
Otis is going to play hard to get, and get nothing for it. The only possible thing I could see is Dooling for Cook because Jerzey is cheap. But, Smith is either going to take a big risk, or he’s not going to get much for what he has to offer because Cook & Redick have less value than Beno Udrih does. Which is really saying something.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Sure, Otis is in a bit of a conundrum but again, knowing his tendencies ..
.. he wouldn’t pull the trigger on that deal. That’s all I’m saying. Cook has some value because he has the potential to be an expiring contract. Ditto with Bogans, etc. Redick, I admit, has marginal value at best.
Will Smith be able to find other offers out there that suit his desires. Well, we’ll certainly find out soon enough, that’s for sure.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
Yeah that is true
I’m not doing this to pick a fight or start an argument with you; conversely I merely want to have a conversation. But, dude, you gotta admit, that no team is going to give up anything of quality value to the Magic for Brian Cook.
The Kings are stuck either way. Would I do Moore, Douby and Udrih for Battie, Cook and Redick (and Vasquez’s rights)? Of course I would. I think there are points out there that are being overlooked.
Beno is a good enough slasher to score more in Orlando. No doubt about it. If you can’t get motivated to play in Orlando, you can’t be motivated to play anywhere in the NBA. I don’t think motivation for Beno will be a problem either. (He could even recognize that if he plays well it will make it easier for the Magic to trade him in the off-season.)
On one hand his contract sucks, but on the other, he’s also locked up below what many PG’s in this league are making. He’s talented, and still young, and, strangely enough, could be the part of the wheel Orlando hasn’t hand for awhile.
Although, I don’t think Otis Smith has the cojones to do this type of move.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Again, I appreciate and respect your input.
I think we can both agree that Otis Smith wouldn’t pull the trigger on the deal, so it makes our little discussion a bit of a moot point anyway. Still interesting to talk about, though.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
Or he wouldn't be inclined if Nelson wasn't out for injury
I think the Magic will try something unusual, and I think Beno fits in that boat. Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t bother. I know better.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Good points
"Personally, I think at some point Magic fans will have to realize the following. No team gives 2 shits about Orlando’s problem. They will not give up a quality player with a short contract. "
especially now that other teams know Magic is desperate, no way Magic is getting a fair deal from trades. We might really end up with Tinsley becasue that’s all we can get. That’s the price to pay for not packing an umbrella, when it rains you either get wet or get ripped off.
Petrie would listen to Orlando's offer for Beno
There is no reason he wouldn’t. Orlando won’t offer for Tinsley (and in my opinion a poor risk). The worst part about Beno is his injuries, and that’s the reason I don’t think Otis Smith would do it. His stats this season is pretty much what they are. But, if you want an illuminating light, I would suggest looking at how Beno performed around Artest, and note that Orlando is far better across the board in every category helping Beno in what he doesn’t do well at all (stopping penetration defensively consistently).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I agree with both of you. Otis is .. sorta screwed right now.
He’s more than capable of making a trade, but given the circumstances right now .. it’s going to be extremely difficult for him to pull the trigger on a fair deal given that teams KNOW he’s desperate, at this point, for another PG.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
The more I think about it too
I think Courtney Lee & Beno’s game also fit well also.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Beno is a solid PG
he just can’t be on a team where he’s expected to be a real leader in the locker room.
A ‘dump it into Howard’ or kick it out to all those shooters team would work well for him. Also, he goes to the basket very well, something not many on the Magic do. (Too many off the dribble players on the Kings, believe me, I rant about it all the time)
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
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The way the Magic spread the floor
Beno’s scoring would jump up big time. On the kings, teams collapse the middle on us because they know almost everyone’s tendancy is to dribble penetrate and we have no developed inside presence or dangerous enough 3 pt shooters to keep them honest.
The magic don’t have that problem. Beno would probably tear it up.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't like him. He's not a very good player.
This season ..
PER (11.8)
ORtg (100)
WARP (0.1)
I can go on, but I’ll save it. Needless to say, Udrih isn’t the answer for the Magic.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
This season is a poor way to evaluate Beno
It’s also a poor way to evaluate Kevin Martin, whom I’d imagine you would think could fit in with Orlando right?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
Okay.
Here’s Udrih’s career statistics ..
PER (12.9)
ORtg (103)
Win Shares (1.6)
If those stats aren’t telling the true story, as it sounds by both your assessments, then maybe he is a good player. But those numbers are hard to argue his worth. Again, just all I’m saying.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
Lttg is right
Stats are not the best way to evaluate Beno. Yes, he has underwhelmed many this season, but that’s not entirely because he suddenly stopped being able to play. This whole Kings team is just underwhelming in general, and Beno complained constantly about not being able to pick & roll enough under Theus. He has stopped saying much recently, but, his stats don’t really tell the story of whether or not he could ever be effective.
Of all the players whom you’ve mentioned, only Dooling I think has a chance of doing anything remotely worthwhile, and I’m skeptical at that. It’s not like Dooling has ever set the world on fire himself. But he’s alot cheaper than Beno is, so there is that.
I also think Beno would welcome the type of leadership SVG has as well.
Those numbers you post are hard to argue his worth, but that’s not what I’m doing here. I didn’t ever believe you would think he had worth.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
i hate k-mart. his shot is just so disgusting to me. how did he ever make it to the nba with it. i would never want him on my team even if he scored 45 points a game (o.k. maybe then). it just amazes me that with his slow form, he can still get the shot off without it being rejected third row.
His stats are mainly (IMO)
because of the Kings roster problems I described above, too many like pieces. He really likes to drive to the hole or stop and pop from 12 feet.
That, as I said, could be very effective with your other parts.
So imitate the action of the tiger!
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favoured rage.
- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
Now set the teeth....and teach them how to war.
Henry V iii
by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
The question isn't whether or not Beno could theoretically produce if he were on the Magic.
The question is .. whether or not it’s enough. I don’t think it is. Again, given his career numbers, unless Beno just magically turns into a mini-Manu, I don’t feel he’ll be able to provide the Magic with enough output to successfully band-aid the situation.
Jameer Nelson was putting up monster numbers at PG. It’s going to be tough for another player to fill his shoes.
Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website
Monster #'s?
Dude is putting up just short of 17 pts and just under 5.5 dimes a game. That is not monster #’s by any definition
Mo Williams #’s. Just over 17 pts, and 4 dimes. He is getting just under 3 points a game.
Rajon Rondo’s #’s: Rondo is averaging 11 pts, 8 dimes and 5 boards.
I could keep going, but unless you’re replacing Nelson with an all-star, you’re not going to replace him with anybody else that is out there that is available.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
But if one were to say someone on the Magic was putting up monster #'s
I think we all know who that would be. And as such, only Dwight Howard’s rebounding #’s really qualify as monster anything in terms of stats.
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I'm not saying they don't
I’m just saying you could put Mo Williams, Rajon Rondo and Jameer Nelson in a bag, and it would be difficult to come out wrong.
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Not an opinion I share
But okay.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
I think it's a bit hard to compare the 3 which is why I disagree
In terms of total value, I think Nelson has more than Williams because he makes less than Mo does. He also has shot incredibly well, and that’s a feather for a guy as small as he is.
On one hand what you’re also suggesting is that Rondo doesn’t shoot that well (not a point I overlook), but you’re looking at 3 guys that do different things. Again this isn’t an argument of whose better, but Williams is in a different system, and so is Rondo, and so is Nelson.
Metrics I don’t think totally measure Rondo’s game, or Williams, but maybe accurately reflect Nelson’s? That’s the only way I could frame this argument.
As far as whether Nelson is worthy as an All-Star, that’s not an argument I’m going to make. It’s a feather in his cap, and he deserved it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
It's all opinion, really. I think we can both agree on that.
I’ve already written my piece as to why Jameer Nelson was deserving of being named an All-Star. So nothing more needs to be said on that ..
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Nope
And I’ve always liked Nelson. Glad to see he’s done well for himself. There is only reason why I’d prefer Rondo to Williams and Nelson and that is he is 4 years younger.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
only one reason^
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am the stone that builder refused..I am the visual...The inspiration..That made lady sing the blues....I'm the spark that makes your idea bright.....The same spark that lights the dark....So that you can know your left from your right...I am the ballot in your box....The bullet in your gun...The inner glow that lets you know...To call your brother son....The story that just begun...The promise of what's to come...And I'm 'a remain a soldier till the war is won....
You're thinking in terms of per-game statistics.
For the season ..
PER (20.9) – 2nd on team
TS% (61.2) – 1st on team
eFG (58.0%) – 1st on team
ORtg (121) – 1st on team
Offensive Win Shares (4.2) – 1st on team
Plus/minus per 100 possession (+ 11.4) – 2nd on team
Wins Produced (6.0) – 2nd on team & 25th overall in the NBA
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Okay I'm going to make my point (again--grrr erivera!)
Rondo’s PER: 19.1
TS%: .548
eFG: .519
oRTG: 114
Offensive Win Shares: 3.0
Plus/Minus per 100 possession (+9.2)
I’m going to stop there, but replacing Nelson will be impossible until you get another All-Star guard. The point, that I’ve been making, badly as it might seem, is that the Magic have other holes that they could take advantage of to fill without Nelson around.
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Your back-up PG situation
needs to be resolved. Not just for this year, but for the several more that your Championship window is still open.
On the right team, a mini-Manu (nice phrase) is just what I think he’d be.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I too like Beno
And I think the biggest problem for him is the fit in Sactown at the moment. And I couldn’t think of a completely more perfect situation than Orlando for him.
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Let's say, just for argument sakes, that Beno comes to Orlando.
He fills in for Nelson this season, but then what happens next year?
Magic can’t afford to pay Beno his contract to have him backing-up Jameer. That just doesn’t make sense, at all.
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They'd be paying Cook & Redick the same thing
Unless you’re a firm believer in positive reinforcement, and you think making Cook opt out of his contract will happen via mental telepathy. (I’m totally willing to accept that. I know how that works. LOL)
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And - If he does well - tasty trade bait
If he doesn’t, well, thats a problem long term.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's just too much of a risk for Orlando.
The team is already limited payroll-wise for the foreseeable future with Howard/Lewis/Nelson/Pietrus .. adding a player like Beno at that price (who would become the team’s back-up PG after this season) again, just doesn’t make sense.
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It's going to be limited regardless
Adding a player like Beno increases your salary; whether it makes sense is debatable.
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Actually
They’d be paying Cook & Redick about a 100 K more.
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But that's two small contracts as opposed to one medium contract.
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Udrih is signed to the same level deal that Pietrus got
So, in a sense, I don’t really agree with you. Plus, it’s not like the Magic will get much for Cook & Redick even as expiring contracts.
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Right, but Cook/Redick are contracts coming off the books soon.
The argument really isn’t what the Magic can get for either of them, it’s the fact some flexibility is created payroll-wise. That’s all I’m saying.
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Yeah but they have none
They aren’t going to have any anytime soon as long as Howard and Lewis are on the roster. That IS my point. I realize Beno’s overpaid today, but the overpaid star could be the underpaid star tomorrow. And, the only way the Magic could acquire players is the same way they could with Beno on the roster: Free Agency or trades or through the draft. Unless you think 6 million dollars creates a ton of flexiblity (I don’t see it myself), basically the argument is solely that Beno’s too expensive.
And the magic don’t have much of their roster beyond the main guys locked up anyway. They won’t have any cap room in 2010 to do anything unless they shed Nelson or Pietrus or Lee. (And it’s very unlikely that the exceptions and their draft picks won’t eat up any cap room they might have that summer anyway.)
I don’t see long term flexibility as long as you have 40 42 million dollars locked up between Lewis, Nelson and Howard.
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We need a starting PG now.
Im all in favor for Barbosa, Felton or CJ Watson.
Barbosa trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=216619952543024&teams=19212121&te=&cash=
Felton trade (killing 2 birds with one stone): http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=27532776199519983024&teams=1919303030&te=&cash=
Watson trade (killing 2 birds with one stone v 2.0): http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1995199827893277&teams=991919&te=&cash=
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion" - Rudy Tomjanovich
Nice trade ideas.
I can see the Barbosa trade working out. Phoenix is looking for defense, and certainly Bogans fits that bill. I think you’re better off replacing Reddick with Cook so that the Suns have another possible expiring contract going their way.
As for the Felton trade, I assume that you’re including Sean May to entice the Bobcats to take the deal, given he’s a human wasteland on a basketball court. Correct?
Given Dubs’ head coach Don Nelson’s propensity to change his tune on most of his players, I could see that deal working out too.
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LOL @ your Sean May comment
Im sorry man, that’s seriously what it “May” take for us to acquire Felton from there (being that they are our division rivals). That’s kinda what I meant about “killing 2 birds with one stone” meaning both us and them. But I think we get the better end of it.
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion" - Rudy Tomjanovich
Plus it's worth mentioning that Larry Brown loves to trade.
So nothing is an impossibility with the Bobcats, in that sense.
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So many issues with this: luxury tax, draft picks, re-signing Turk. I don’t know where to start but I’ll give it a shot:
1) Mike Miller-JJ, Cook, Bogans, and Wilks contract for Miller and maybe a second round pick. Miller has been M.I.A. in Minnesota and they are going real young. Carney has passed him up and he just doesn’t seem to mesh in their system. Miller would guard the SG and Lee the PG while Miller runs the offense. Its a long shot I know; but Otis has to be thinking out of the box.
2) Felton
Love the Ray Felton idea. Hate the fact that it would cost us a 1st round draft pick. The Magic have so many big contracts tied up that the draft picks are going to be one of the only ways the Magic can add talent for cheap in the future.
But if we can get Felton w/o giving up a draft pick, I’m in.
Mike Miller is a PG?
I think not.
He’s another 3 pt specialist, you’ve got that in spades….
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Miller isn't the answer.
I can seem him sliding in at the SG position, but you can’t assume Lee is ready to handle full-time PG duties just yet. You can try, if you’re SVG, but it’s a bit of a risk.
In that case, though, what do the Magic have to lose .. right? Though Miller isn’t exactly a world-class defender, so that aspect of his game presents a problem.
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3) Luther Head
I mentioned him with erivera’s Watson article. Brooks, Barry, and Alston really handle the PG duties for Houston. Wafer has been service-able for them as a wing and they have Battier still. It would cost us JJ and thats it.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=30242763&teams=1019&te=&cash=
Im not very sold on that one
I like the idea but for JJ, I just think there may be better opportunities for us trading him.
"Never underestimate the heart of a champion" - Rudy Tomjanovich
I like Luther Head, but I have a hard time seeing Houston swap him straight up for Reddick.
That’s my only concern with that idea.
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Back to Miller
Lee would just have to guard the PG; not play the position. Miller has a diverse skill set like Turk’s where he can handle PG duties. Yes, he is a 3pt specialist but thats what we do. I just think a change of scenery would help his game too.
I can barely imagine a player Otis Smith
would be less interested in.
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- lend the eye a terrible aspect,
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
4) The others
Barbosa would be great, but I don’t think we have the assets for him. Would love Sergio Rodriguez and the better Bayless plays, the more likely it is Rodriguez is gone. JJ Barea is another guy I think would help but I don’t Dallas wants to give him up just yet. If Dallas gets Felton, then I think Barea is totally available tho. Sessions and Lowry would be great too.
I don’t know much about CJ Watson but Earl Watson is limited offensively. Reminds me of a younger AJ…
If Otis go the sign a free agent route,
Looking at the list of guards in DLeague
http://www.nba.com/dleague/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=20&season=22008&conf=OVERALL&position=5&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All%20Teams
I say let’s roll the dice on Mateen Cleaves or the “legendary” Jared Jordan.
How does DLeague work anyway? Can any team sign anyone?
Yeah the Magic could sign anybody not under contract to another team
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depends
some are free agents, some are drafted players owned by teams.
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
What would you give us for Nash?
I don’t even know what you’ve got, but I bet he’d like to lob it up to Howard or dish to an open Lewis or Turkoglu.
For you guys who think Barbosa can run the point, you haven’t seen too many Suns games. Not sure it would work with Barbosa carving the lane because he’s not going to dish to Dwight.
Mmmmm ... Guinness
I know he can't really run the point, but he is (admittedly) a viable option for the Magic regardless.
As for Nash?
I don’t even know what the Magic could give up aside from expiring contracts and maybe a pick.
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Actually
I think the Suns might take a boatload of expiring contracts and draft picks
Mmmmm ... Guinness
The problem is all decent backup PGs are take already....
Those that aren’t are overpaid or underwhelming or both.
Instead of speculating on any of a couple dozen names for trade ideas...
I trust Otis Smith will do what’s best for the Magic.
The loss of Nelson is huge, but the club has to move forward and believe they can still challenge for the Eastern Conference Title, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 3, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions
Do you trust him?
Because I don’t. Sure he can overpay for FA or make a good move by signing our players to long-term deals before they’ve fully developed, but when’s the last time he pulled off something noteworthy mid season?
Last deal: Cook & Evans for Ariza, Evans contributed last year and is now gone, Cook doesn’t play, meanwhile Ariza is a big part of the rotation for a championship contender. He’s not going to pull off anyting spectacular. The rest of the league realizes that since Orlando doesn’t even HAVE a suitable backup point guard that they have the magic in a stranglehold and we know Otis Smith is too stubborn.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 3, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well said Mike. I trust Otis Smith too, but DSK makes some valid points.
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Agreed... DSK does make some valid points
Otis Smith isn’t in an enviable situation, trying to replace an All-Star point guard in Jameer Nelson.
by Mike from Illinois on Feb 3, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Certainly wouldn't want to be in his spot right now.
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trade for Sergio Rodriguez!!!!!
last 5 games assist totals : 8, 5, 7, 7, 1
minutes : 33, 17, 24, 19, 19
I hope you guys would not have to start him
His defense is very bad.
"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez
He'd be best served as a back-up PG for the Magic.
I’m not too worried about his defensive problems, because that’s an aspect of Rodriguez’s game I think SVG can help fix.
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Really?
The consensus around the league is that Nate McMillan is good at two things. Being a defensive minded coach, and developer of young players. He has had 3 years with Sergio and little to no improvement. I don’t know much about Stan, but I do know that nobody living or dead could make Sergio ready for playoff level defense by playoff time.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 3, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Stan can have better luck. You never know.
I’m not doubting McMillan’s abilities as a coach, but maybe Van Gundy can break some ground with Sergio on the defensive end.
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The Magic would be best to get one of the young Memphis PGs imo
"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez
Why not Conley?
He’s not great by any means, but he’s not a total bust. Also, he’s not Anthony Johnson.
No, he's not an Anthony Johnson but ..
.. from what I’ve seen from Lowry, I think he has the potential to step in as a starter for the Magic this season and contribute. I can’t see the same thing happening if Conley were starting at the point.
I see Conley being nothing more than a back-up PG in the NBA (at this point). I think Lowry has a brighter future, hence why I’d prefer him (personally).
If Jameer is not coming back for the remainder of the season, GM Otis Smith should go after Lowry because, as I said, he can step in as a starter and contribute. If Jameer IS coming back sometime this year, then I don’t mind Otis going after Conley in that instance to help plug a hole at the back-up PG spot. Hopefully of all that makes sense.
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Change of scenery
I think we have seen plenty of examples of players who turned out to be really go players with a change of scenery. I think Conley can be one, there was a reason he was drafted so high. One man’s trash….
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
True .. but I don't think a change of scenery will magically erase Conley's flaws.
He is what he is.
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However, Memphis seems to be going with Conley after firing Iavaroni...
and it appears to be working…
Conley’s been averaging 12.3 points, 3.7 rebounds, and 6.8 assists since the coaching change. I’d say they might be pretty hesitant to get rid of Conley now.
HEY!!!!! No Neck is a beast and he is sick on the court.
Sorry, I can’t spell. He is a bust and sucks on the court. Never mind.
I think Stephon Marbury may be the only player capable of saving Orlando’s season (open to other suggestions).
I think that nearly all of the players mentioned here in this comments section are incapable of keeping Orlando’s Championship hopes alive. They simply don’t possess the individual quality that is necessary to make it happen.
Stephon Marbury will be available as free signing, will sign for half a season and there will be no long term downsides. Too little risk when put up against the possible huge upside … especially when compared to some of the other options.
I think Otis Smith has to alter his approach and try to sign Stephon Marbury. Either that, or pull a rabbit out of his hat.
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Stephon Marbury isn't capable of saving Orlando's season. I completely disagree.
The only thing he’s able to do is take whatever slim chances the Magic have at winning a Title this year, and destroying those odds by his mere presence. Sorry, I understand it’s cheap risk (given the type of contract he’d sign) but I rather not even explore the possibility. I know Otis feels the same way.
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Ugh..
Marbury the man, not a fan. Marbury the basketball player, I am fan.
I wouldn’t be completely upset if the Magic made a move for Marbury, but there are 10 guys I would prefer. Especially if we can find a long term solution at back-up PG.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
The fact that 'experts' are even considering Marbury as an option for the Magic are fools.
Honestly. Why bring his name up?
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Hey guys I'm new over here
but this news had me devastated.
As far as trade proposals could anyone see something like Luke Ridnour, MIL for JJ and Cook?
With Redd going down they need a shooter and this gives them 2. Likewise, with Redd done so is their season so why not dump the bigger contract? I watch about 2/3 of the games, but don’t spend much time talking basketball people so please inform me if this is crazy dumb or makes sense.
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
Milwaukee wouldn't move Ridnour. With Redd gone, that's more the reason for them to keep Luke.
Welcome aboard, btw!
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Thanks e.
Is this the kind of guy we need to target though. A true PG that dishes and d’s without worrying about replacing Jameer’s O?
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 4, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ideally, the Magic should try to find a PG that has a similar skillset to Jameer.
Essentially, someone who’s a threat to score but is also capable of facilitating his teammates and getting them going offensively.
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magic fanatic is right
we need a starting PG now. so why are we trading for someone else’s backup? we need to shoot for the moon:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=199519982439194&teams=12121219&te=&cash=
Clippers might actually do this, BDavis is not happy there, they get an young all star in return, and cap relief. So the question is for the Magic, Nelson or BDavis?
You don't need a starting PG, you need a PG that can start until Nelson comes back...
There’s a difference. You need someone that either can take up extended PG duties and step up to the bumper but also be willing to take a different or reserve role when that PG gets back. It’s obvious already that the problem isn’t Nelson, it’s the people backing up Nelson. Spurs had this problem when Tony Parker went out with a high ankle sprain, then Roger Mason and George Hill stepped up. Magic need a Roger Mason/George Hill. However, I agree that you could try shooting for the moon. erivera7, if you’re still sold about Leandro Barbosa… how about this?
I’d love to see Baron Davis play in this system. I think he could do great things for the team. I’d be interested in that trade.
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by NBR on Feb 4, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently they think Lue is the answer...
Though, if you were still sold on the whole Leandro Barbosa idea (the 2 guard taking 1 guard duties), what about Jamal Crawford?
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