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Detroit Pistons 93, Orlando Magic 85

Orlando Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu defends against Detroit Pistons forward Tayshaun Prince in Detroit's 93-85 win on Friday, February 27th, 2009

Hedo Turkoglu of the Orlando Magic defends Tayshaun Prince of the Detroit Pistons in Detroit's 93-85 win on Friday night

Photo by Gary W. Green, the Orlando Sentinel

The Orlando Magic proved to be just what the slumping Detroit Pistons needed to end their eight-game losing streak, as the Pistons won, 93-85. Orlando led by 8 points at the half, only to lose control of the game in the third quarter as Detroit doubled them up, 28-14, in the period. Richard Hamilton once again proved to be the question for whom Orlando had no answer, scoring 31 points on 11-of-18 shooting, and getting whatever shot he wanted; Courtney Lee, charged with guarding Hamilton most of the night, is an excellent defender, but he can't use those defensive skills if he can't get to Hamilton. Detroit's series of screens slowed Lee down sufficiently for Hamilton to go off in his return to the starting lineup. Dwight Howard led Orlando with 21 points and 13 rebounds, but the Magic could not get their three-pointers to fall, missing 15 of their 19 attempts on the night.

TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Pistons83116.350.7%26.034.418.8
Magic105.850.0%21.420.613.7

This game was all too familiar for the Magic and their fans. Consider that Orlando:

  • couldn't stop Hamilton from scoring;

  • couldn't keep Antonio McDyess (13 rebounds) off the glass;

  • couldn't push the tempo (83 possessions);

  • and couldn't get many open looks from the outside.

Hell, Mickael Pietrus--in his first game back from a sprained right wrist--even injured himself against the Pistons for the second time this season. In the first meeting between these two teams, Pietrus broke his right wrist and missed nearly a month. Appropriately enough, Pietrus suffered his shoulder injury--ESPN play-by-play man Kevin Calabro speculated that it was a stinger--tonight trying to chase Hamilton through a screen. When he went down, Hamilton broke free in the along the left baseline and drilled a long jumper.

There's little point going over this same story again. The only variable--and here's what's frustrating for me, because it probably won't ever happen again--is that Orlando forced Detroit into some silly mistakes. The Pistons turned the ball over roughly once every five trips down the floor. That's remarkable, considering the fact that when they eliminated the Magic from last year's playoffs, they turned the ball over three times in 83 trips down the floor. I'm not sure what the Magic are going to have to do in order to get over the hump over the Pistons. Prior to the game, Brian Schmitz asked the following question:

If the Magic can't beat the Pistons now . . . when?

The question is rhetorical, but no less valid. Detroit had lost 8 straight games; was below .500 after the All-Star Break for the first time since 2001; and missing Allen Iverson, its Hall-of-Fame shooting guard, who also happens to be one of the most notorious Magic-killers in history. When the Magic force the Pistons to commit 15 turnovers, and when Dwight Howard posts 21 points and 13 rebounds in the same game, they should win handily. However, Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu, Howard's mates in the starting frontcourt, struggled against Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince, respectively. There's no way the Magic can beat the Pistons, even in a slump, if both those players have bad nights.

Lewis only managed to shoot 10 times in 38 minutes, and turned the ball over 4 times, as Wallace gave Lewis no room with which to work and did not bite on his signature head-fakes. It was a slightly different defensive approach by the Pistons, who usually use Wallace to check Howard inside. Instead, McDyess and Jason Maxiell had that task for most of the game, with Kwame Brown filling in for 4 minutes. Howard got his points, but they didn't come easily, as he took a beating and earned a technical foul for arguing too much with the referee Ken Mauer. It's a shame that Lewis and Turkoglu were so stymied, since the loss quandered Rafer Alston's solid outing (14 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals, and 2 turnovers in 31 minutes).

Bottom line: the Magic can't worry too much about this game, which really didn't tell them anything they didn't already know. The Pistons are in their head, they can't win if they play at a snail's pace, and--here's what I'm most worried about--their defense stinks lately. In its last 7 outings, Orlando has allowed its opponents to post 720 points in 632 possessions for an offensive rating of 113.9, and that figure still accounts for their domination (80 points allowed in 87 possessions) of Charlotte last Friday. At this rate, the Magic will be lucky to split the last 24 games of the season. 54-28 is about the best they can hope for if they keep playing like this. Why, yes, I am disgusted. Whatever gave it away?

Enough snark. It's back to business tonight in Philadelphia.

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I was paranoid about this game beforehand, and my greatest fear was realized.

I knew Orlando was going to lose. Everything was set up for a Magic defeat .. no A.I., Rip moves back into the starting lineup, etc. Detroit’s coach Michael Curry finally came around to playing Detroit’s best lineup and the results showed tonight.

Similar setup occurred in Detroit back in December. Curry insisted on playing a three-guard lineup that wasn’t working. Orlando game comes, Rip just happens to be out for the contest. That allows Prince to move back to his natural position at SF, and voila, the Pistons being the Magic that night. Again, a case of Curry playing a more traditional lineup that suits Detroit best.

I’m not making excuses for Orlando. In fact, I’m simply showing that when the Pistons play a traditional lineup, Detroit remains a tough team to beat.

What’s becoming disconcerting is that no matter who is on the floor, it seems, if the players are simply wearing "Pistons" or "Detroit" in front of their uniforms, the Magic become intimidated.

Sooner or later, as SVG said in his post-game quotes, Orlando needs to say "enough is enough". They haven’t done that, and until the Magic players decide to fight back, the Pistons are going to continue winning this lob-sided match-up.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

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by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 4:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This might not have made any difference in the outcome...

… the way the Pistons were playing defense, but why not give J.J. Redick some playing time off the bench? The guys were pitiful shooting threes; who knows… maybe Redick hits a few and gets the Magic right back in the game in the fourth.

He did hit the clutch three very late in the game against Charlotte last week; I think SVG made a mistake not playing him at all against the Pistons.

A disheartening loss to be sure; you’re right about the intimidation factor, erivera.

The Magic get one more crack at the Pistons, on March 9th at Auburn Hills. Unfortunately, the Magic play at the Celtics the day before.

by Mike from Illinois on Feb 28, 2009 5:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree that Redick should have saw some action.

I thought that Pietrus played too much last night, 30 minutes. I can understand why .. because of his defensive capabilities, but anyone who was guarding Rip was getting torched.

I felt the instances where Rip was out of the game, that’s a time where SVG could have put Redick in the game and see if J.J. could provide some instant offense off the bench. I can understand Stan not putting Redick in the game when Rip is on the court, because that would have been disastrous. But still

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

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by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yo guys, I'm headed to Philly for the game!

Obviously wish last night’s outcome was different, in Pedro Martinez’s voice, the Piston’s are our Daddy, nothing else can be said about that. On another note, I’m leaving in the next few minutes, I’d appreciate it if someone would be able to copy and paste this post into the in-game thread so you folks know I’m there.

Originally, I had believed that I had floor seats (was given an x-mas present by someone who doesn’t follow much basketball and said they were first row.) However, after looking at the seating chart, I think they’re actually first row off of the floor — opposite side of the players benches. I may or may not be on TV, but I’ll be reppin’ the Jameer in Philly, let’s hope their NBA fans aren’t as wild as their NFL and MLB fans who throw sh*t and start fights, I’m rolling with a chick in a Dwight jersey. The game starts at 7, so I believe doors will open at 5:30? That’s the time I plan on going in and trying to get some pics like erivera. I’ll take a lot of pictures and write a little post-up and photo gallery after the game, however don’t expect me to get as lucky as rivs did! Hold down the in-game without my belligerent, argumentative, high-strung, every play do-or-die ass on the blog. Instead, I’ll be suffering with my heart-burn in Philly, lucky me!

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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 28, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good deal. Have fun at the game DSK.

Hopefully you can have similar luck as I did with autographs, pictures, etc.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

I bomb atomically/Socrates' philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these/mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery - Inspectah Deck

by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It appears all our D is belong to Jameer, given we’ve stopped trying on that end since he went out.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 28, 2009 7:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Losing Jameer shouldn't affect Orlando's defense.

.. and it really hasn’t, the Magic are still 3rd in defensive efficiency. I agree, however, that the defensive intensity has taken a hit since Nelson has been gone. There’s definitely a noticeable change in energy.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

I bomb atomically/Socrates' philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these/mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery - Inspectah Deck

by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

then there's something wrong with the inputs

that go into that defensive efficiency stat. Like you and perhaps some of the other fans, I’m up here in Chicago and admittedly only get to watch a handful of games. After watching the Miami, Chi and Det games this week, I fail to comprehend how any defensive measurement statistic would place these douchenozzles anywhere in the top half of the league. there is one rebounder in their whole starting lineup – lewis and turk are there for their offense and as we saw last night got their asses handed to em by prince and sheed. No rebounding, lax shot defense.

I am a stat guy. Love the saber metrics in baseball, but sadly for this magic squad at present any viewer can watch and see they are a shitty defensive team. So, no offense, quit coming with that 3rd in defensive efficiency. They suck right now as ben says and if they get det in the first round – see ya later.

by bagofballs on Feb 28, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Magic only gave up 93 points last night.

It may seem more, given how slow of a pace Detroit was playing last night.

Defensive efficiency is real easy to calculate .. it’s how many points you give up per 100 possessions. Since Jameer went down, Orlando has given up 100+ points five times in 10 games (Indiana, Charlotte (at home, in OT), Chicago, and New York). If you take out the Bobcats game, the Magic have only allowed 100+ points four times in regulation in 10 games.

Orlando is still an excellent defensive team (as a sum, overall), but the main difference is that the intensity isn’t there as it was before Nelson got hurt. It’s safe to say .. they’re “slippin”.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

I bomb atomically/Socrates' philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these/mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery - Inspectah Deck

by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What can we do?

Erivera had it right, every time we line up against the guys with Detroit across their chest, we dont play the same game. We look slow, sloppy and downright bad. There is a good chance we could even face Detroit in the first round while they have had our number in the past. In order for us to win we need to get our head outta our rear ends and plays some good basketball.

by Sam Rabinowitz on Feb 28, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The answer is simple. Step up to Detroit.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

I bomb atomically/Socrates' philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these/mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery - Inspectah Deck

by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we just can't beat them

whats our record in the past 20 games with them….3-17?
thats soo dismal….if we see them in the playoffs in the first round….i foresee it being a complete embarrassment as we will continued being handled….i rather play the celtics…

by GoMagic on Feb 28, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's officially 5-18 for Orlando against Detroit the past 23 games.

Former Senior Writer for DePaul's Scout.com website

I bomb atomically/Socrates' philosophies and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these/mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery - Inspectah Deck

by erivera7 on Feb 28, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What a horrid night

Detroit snaps out of their losing streak by beating on their favorite team. There were fans calling on the Magic players to commit felony assault on Detroit players for no better reason than the Detroit team was playing really well. There was a plethora of pictures of non-good looking NBA players that I still haven’t gotten out of my head.

It was just an ugly, ugly night.

Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek

by funny80sguy on Feb 28, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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