NBA Trade Deadline Open Thread
by erivera7 on Feb 19, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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PrintWell, today is the trade deadline and to spur discussion here on the happenings around the NBA, I decided to create an open thread so that the community can react to trades that have currently occurred and may occur in the next few hours.
Want to discuss deals that have already went down? Want to debate which team got the better of a trade? Want to share trade rumors you've heard? Want to gripe that Orlando Magic general manager Otis Smith isn't making another move? Fire away with your comments.
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Hinrich/Mystery team revealed:
POSTED: Feb. 19 — 1:41 a.m.
Chad Ford: Sources close to both the Bulls and the Timberwolves told ESPN.com late Wednesday night that Kirk Hinrich trade talks had fallen apart.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions
Jameer seeking second opinion before opting for surgery...
posted this in last post and fan post, but figured it’s important enough to be in the deadline open thread.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions
That's fine you posted here. It's relevant towards the discussion.
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He'd be a great addition for their team. He'd probably also have no gripes about being traded 2 times in a month.
Anything to get out of Charlotte and play with the World Champs, he’s gotta be juiced about the possibility of that coming to fruition.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
He's probably happy to be out of PHX too
Well, maybe not, I’m not sure…he and Nash are good friends. Diaw was happy to be gone.
"Fun" and "Failure" both start out the same way.
Well, it looks like their old offensive system is being brought back, which is good.
Porter was um, frankly, stupid when you have that potent high scoring offense and try to flip the script and turn the players into defensive specalists = FAIL. Look for the Suns to pick it up big time down the stretch here, Amare’s going nowhere!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Phoenix will pick it up for the stretch run ..
.. but the damage is already done. Stoudemire is as good as gone. So is Nash, etc.
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Another Kings trade
Shelden Williams and Bobby Brown for Rashad McCants and Calvin Booth
"Fun" and "Failure" both start out the same way.
the only thing interesting about this trade
is the exchange of a dukie for a tar heel. Oh, and ESPN’s player picture of Calvin Booth, if you do no else today, please check it out!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
looks like the Magic
won’t be making any moves because Otis hates us all :(
You read it! You can't unread it!
It's not that Otis hates the fans, he doesn't want to take a chance right now.
His mind is completely set on making sure Hedo sticks around after this season. That’s his main priority.
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hyperbole ;)
You read it! You can't unread it!
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 19, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Cavs trying to acquire Shaq
ESPN.com contributor Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer is reporting that the Cavs have offered Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to the Phoenix Suns for O’Neal.
And sources close to the process have confirmed to ESPN.com that the teams are indeed in talks involving O’Neal, which would offer the Suns some of the payroll relief they’ve been seeking. Because only $1.5 million of Pavlovic’s contract is guaranteed next season, Phoenix would slice $5.5 million off of its 2009-10 payroll if it agreed to send Shaq to the Cavs.
It’s believed, though, that the Suns are resistant to taking back Wallace and thus trying to convince Cleveland to part with Wally Szczerbiak’s $13.8 million expiring contract instead, which would turn this into a huge financial windfall for Phoenix.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218
The way shaq is playing? Yep.
You’d have to think that makes them Eastern Finals favorites. And if ’Sheed makes his way to the spurs, wow Spurs vs. Cavs finals, oh my god.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Update
UPDATE (12:29 p.m. ET): Multiple sources with knowledge of the talks between Cleveland and Phoenix today are saying as of noontime that a deal actually coming together to team Shaquille O’Neal and LeBron James is very unlikely.
No one is denying that the teams have talked, but we’re getting strong hints now that this deal is in no way close.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I can't imagine Shaq as a Cavalier
You read it! You can't unread it!
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
We said the same before the Suns though.
Shaq & Nash??? Noooooo, never!!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
haha, true
You read it! You can't unread it!
by TheGiantSquid on Feb 19, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Sheed isn't going to the Spurs.
VC may .. but I doubt he heads to San Antonio either.
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Chad Ford hosting a live chat incase anyone is interested.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions
An interesting thing to look at might be who gets bought out...
Rumor says Joe Smith hopes the trade doesn’t go down so he can work out a buyout and sign with the Celtics (a la PJ Brown/Sam Cassell). Additionally, there are murmurings of Drew Gooden being bought out by the Kings, and should he resign with another team they’d save more money. I can see a lot of teams going after a guy like Gooden, decent mid range shot, decent post moves, pretty good rebounder. I’m actually more interested in who gets bought out at this point, because other than maybe Blazers, who probably won’t make a move, most contention level teams would probably be standing pat.
Yeah...
Think Otis Smith takes a stab at Drew Gooden if he gets bought? He’d definitely be a huge plus to the Magic.
Gooden isn't the answer though.
Plus the Magic wouldn’t be able to afford him without heading into the luxury tax.
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It's not going down, it was rescinded last night.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Right, that's the point.
Because the trade was rescinded, Joe Smith is hoping the Thunder buy out his contract.
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Right, Jaceman said...
“Joe Smith hopes the trade doesn’t go down”
So I was just informing him that it isn’t going down incase he didn’t know.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks make a deal.
Chad Ford: Yes. Bulls and Knicks have agreed to a trade. Larry Hughes for Tim Thomas and Jerome James. I’m told it’s waiting for league approval.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 1:32 PM EST reply actions
That's a good deal for the Knicks.
Makes sense on two fronts. Hughes’ contract expires in, say it with me, 2010.
Plus, D’Antoni’s style of play is one of the few offensive schemes that will actually work with a black hole like Larry Hughes. He can chuck up all the shots he wants, because there’s plenty to go around.
I like the move.
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Tim Thomas and Jerome James also expire in 2010.
I liked Tim Thomas in D’Antoni’s system. Larry Hughes who has about 40 DNPs this season and hasn’t played in almost 2 months, to plug him right in? I don’t know.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like a lot of contract exchanging
and not a lot of real talent going to contending teams.
Salmons and Miller in Chicago should help them out but Miller is no low post threat.
Hughes for THomas and James? I thought Tim Thomas fit D’Antonit’s style perfectly.
Shelden Williams might be the worst #5 pick in recent history.
And the Magic get….??
This contract exchanging doesn't make sense for either team though.
Hughes, Thomas, James all have contracts that expire at the end of 2009-2010.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
It makes sense for the Knicks. 2010. Enough said.
.. and yeah, Shelden Williams is terrible. But hey, he’s with Candice Parker.
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Knicks deal Malik Rose to OKC for Chris Wilcox
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions
both contracts expire after this year.
Looks like Walsh is just making moves to make them. Typical Knicks organization.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
He's trying to compete now and remain flexible in the future.
Wilcox > Rose.
Rose is useless at this point of his career, Wilcox ain’t.
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Agreed.
Both contracts expire after this year. Wilcox averages over 8 rebounds a game, he’s a respectable back up to David Lee. Have NO IDEA what OKC is thinking with this one, guessing Wilcox just doesn’t want to play anymore after that trade didn’t go through.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well Otis has an out...
he’s going to say, “we didn’t rush into making a move because we thought Jameer might have been able to make it back and rehab.”
When they decide to force Jameer to have surgery, he’s going to say: “Obviously, things didn’t progress like we thought they would, so we didn’t rush into any deals at the deadline, but Jameer is now going to have season ending surgery and we’re prepared to go to the playoffs with the guys we’ve got, Anthony Johnson and Tyrone Lue.”
WHAT. A. JOKE. !!!!!!!!!!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Jameer isn't the issue anymore, and Otis knows it
There’s been a gaping hole, talent-wise, behind Jameer in the rotation since both Arroyo and Dooling left in the summer. It’s not a new situation. AJ was never going to cut it as a main backup, let alone emergency starter. This point guard has been sorely needed even coming off the bench, but now that guard is being inserted into the starting lineup for, potentially, the rest of the season and the playoffs.
I’m praying to god we somehow get Andre Miller from Philly. He’s what we need at the point to distribute the ball accurately to our guys around the court. He’s a cheap-ish contract and, I believe, he expires this summer, so we have the option of dropping him if it doesn’t work, or the option to pick him up again for next season and beyond.
I’d rather we make a trade and the season ends up in a first round crash-out than make no trade and end the exact same way.It’s the lack of trying I can’t accept.
$10 million is cheapish?
You’d have to give up like half the roster to make it work… that’d be like Cook, Battie, and Redick, for a third PG.
My bad
I thought his contract was around $6 mil.
Also, WTF happened to the TPE we got from the Dooling mess?
The way Philly has been playing ..
.. I don’t expect Andre Miller to be traded.
I sympathize, though.
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NEWS: I've been told that GM Otis Smith has indeed been on the phones today trying to trade for another PG.
I’ve been told by two different people from the Orlando Sentinel.
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For the sake of Orlando fans...
I hope not Earl Watson or Jamaal Tinsley.
Might be another small name, like Marcus Williams or something.
I'm trying to get names, but I'm waiting to be told.
If I had to guesstimate, Conley, Telfair, Tinsley (bleh), and a few other names.
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Telfair would be a very welcome addition
He could slot straight into the starting five and produce decent enough numbers. Anything is better than the weakest PG rotation in the league right now.
To be honest, I don't like Telfair.
He’s no better than Anthony Johnson, but I know he’s been available for a while ..
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I'm a Telfair fan
I won’t hide that but I know many aren;t keen on him. He’s been playing reasonably well in Minny, as far as I can tell.
I seriously doubt Memphis will give up Conley after how he's been playing w/ the coaching change...
He’s definitely playing a lot better so I don’t see him being offered, Grizz probably would trade out Kyle Lowry first. Telfair I’m not so hot on.
Another name I hope you don’t get would be Mike James though.
I'd welcome Lowry with open arms and a red carpet.
Personally, I think Kyle Lowry is better than Mike Conley, currently, so I wouldn’t mind the Magic acquiring the former ’Nova product at all.
I doubt the Magic are considering Mike James, so don’t worry there.
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Lowry would be good too.
Not just a decent PG but certainly a project with something to prove after being buried in Memphis for no real reason
He has potential, that's the biggest thing. He's only 22.
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For sure. He's the kind of thing I was hoping for but we eneded up with Jar Jar Binks from Milwaukee instead
Like I say, I can’t really work out why Memphis seemingly gave up on him but I’d gladly have him in Blue & White
Yes.
Well, Conley has been ballin’ as of late, so that’s why Lowry has been pushed to the back-burner a bit.
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Looks like Jarrett Jack is a name being thrown around
From the RealGM board, they’re saying Jack for Redick is being talked about by Otis.
Ding dong. It is past 3 pm EST.
It doesn’t appear GM Otis Smith will be making a move, unless a trade is already in the works. If that’s the case, the NBA allows teams additional time to flesh out the details.
However, I haven’t heard anything that Smith has a deal in the making ..
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BREAKING NEWS. ORLANDO HAS TRADED FOR RAFER ALSTON.
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Oh snap!
POSTED: Feb. 19 — 3:05 p.m. ET
Alston
Alston
Marc Stein: Looks like we have a fairly significant three-way deal that has been submitted to the league just before the trade deadline.
NBA front-office sources tell ESPN.com that Orlando is acquiring Rafer Alston from Houston to fill the void created at point guard by Jameer Nelson’s shoulder injury.
The Rockets will receive Memphis guard Kyle Lowry, Orlando forward Brian Cook and perhaps two other minimum-salaried players to make the finances work.
The Grizzlies will receive a first-round pick from Orlando.
"Fun" and "Failure" both start out the same way.
Skip to my Lou!
Hey its definitely an upgrade but I dont know about the idea of losing next year’s 1st rounder. At least Smith had the balls to pull a deal and not salvage what has become an incredible year. Obviously we weren’t going to get it done with our current PG situation, hopefully this turns out to be a blessing!
Next year's draft is extremely weak. That 1st Rd. pick won't mean much.
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I agree...
especially since we would have a lower-tier selection anyways
Exactly what I was thinking
Most projections had us taking Nick Calathes and I think that’s only because of the Florida connection. I’m OK with the pick being shipped since we basically drafted Rafer Alston, who is better than any point guard in the upcoming draft.
He's not better than Nick Calathes, but I digress.
I highly doubt Calathes would fall to Orlando anyway.
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This came out of nowhere
And I mean nowhere! I didn’t think Houston would be shopping their first-choice point guard, especially with Knee-Mac going down for the rest of the year.
Maybe we somehow snuck through Von Wafer too, since he’s been shockingly good this year. He lit up the Lakers last month something sick.
Well, I knew that a trade was in the works but I didn't know it would be for Alston.
Like I said above, if you scroll up a bit, I knew that GM Otis Smith was on the phones but I never was told which players, specifically, were being discussed. It’s a moot point now but nevertheless, it looked like a trade was going to happen.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
I WANTED AVERAGE AND I GOT BETTER THAN AVERAGE!!!!! OTIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Feb 19, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions
Can I get an AMEN?!
"In order for us to make a move, It has to make sense" - Otis Smith's favorite saying
Please, please post your thoughts in the new post I made.
I’m going to be editing it shortly once I gather my thoughts and such. Thanks everyone.
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Lew, Lu, Lue and LOU!!!
Bye Bye Cookie Monster!! We now have all the "Loos" in the league!!!!
sweet LEW, turkogLU, tyronn LUE, and skip to my LOU!!!!
"In order for us to make a move, It has to make sense" - Otis Smith's favorite saying
You think Magic will make a splash w/ all these big men being bought out?
Names being flung include Calvin Booth, Mikki Moore, and to a lesser extent Joe Smith and Drew Gooden
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