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Orlando Magic 117, Milwaukee Bucks 92: The Morning After

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  • The Magic faced the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night, their first game since being routed by the Boston Celtics on Christmas Day.
    Brian Schmitz provides a recap of the Orlando Magic's win against the Milwaukee Bucks last night - a contest that was a tale of two halves.

  • Orlando Magic notes: Stan Van Gundy wanted to get Dwight Howard the ball deeper in the paint
    Josh Robbins reveals this tidbit from the Magic's victory ...

    The Magic set a franchise record for field-goal percentage in the second half by shooting 78.4 percent. The old record of 78.3 percent was set in the second half of a 120-105 win over New Jersey on Jan. 19, 1990.
  • Orlando Magic point guard Jason Williams made a big contribution coming off the bench in Wednesday's victory over the Milwaukee Bucks
    ... and talks about Jason Williams' performance.

    Jason Williams insisted in the hours leading up to Wednesday night's game against the Milwaukee Bucks that he has no problem with coming off the bench for the Orlando Magic. After all, he said, he knew that would be his role when he signed with the team.

    Williams soon showed just how valuable he can be in a reserve role.

    He provided a critical spark as the Magic recovered from an eight-point third-quarter deficit to defeat the Bucks 117-92. Williams, who made all five of his shot attempts from beyond the arc, finished with 16 points and seven assists.
  • Magic's Nelson Continues To Struggle
    J.A. Adande of ESPN.com shares a report from Orlando.

    The 16 games Jameer Nelson missed with a knee injury weren't much of a problem for the Orlando Magic, but his return to the lineup can't really be called a solution. [...]

    "We're going to have to go back and evaluate where we are with Jameer," Van Gundy said. "There's medical concerns and people don't want him to get re-injured." [...]

    "I understand that we're trying to protect him," Van Gundy said. "We've got to somehow find a balance. If he's not going to practice and we're going to use games like practice, I don't know how valuable that's going to be. Four days off and they don't want him doing anything in practice, that makes it very, very hard."
  • Savage: Magic-Bucks Postgame Analysis
    Dan Savage of OrlandoMagic.com offers analysis from yesterday's game.

  • Behind the Box Score, where Vince Carter has come alive!
    Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie states the difference in the contest.

    The Magic got to the line, and Milwaukee did not. The Bucks never get to the line, and the Bucks foul too much. Simple differences, simply stated. It's a nightly hole that they dig themselves, and Scott Skiles' team is going to have a rough go of things approaching .500 if they continue to drop the odd 7-9 nights from the free throw line. [...]

    Down the stretch, while I appreciated the spacing and some of the attempts to find Bucks for corner threes, I didn't like Milwaukee's screen and roll game. I didn't like how it put the ball in the hands of Luke Ridnour too much (Luke played the entire fourth, didn't register an assist, and had five points), and didn't appreciate the way Brandon Jennings only played five minutes in the fourth (pouring in seven points on four shots), or how Andrew Bogut was used as some sort of screening wing type.

    That said, there wasn't much Milwaukee could do. Not when the Magic were hitting the sorts of three-pointers they were tossing in. 10-21 overall, a fantastic 47.6 clip, and a lot of these bombs were properly contested. Jason Williams(notes) hit five in five tries, Vince Carter dropped 25 on just 16 shots, and Orlando is the better team.
  • Recap: Magic 117, Bucks 92

    UPDATE (from Ben): Frank Madden of Brew Hoop is a bit disenchanted with the Bucks, which led to his listing "Uh, competitiveness?" as one of the positives in Milwaukee's loss.

    I feel cheap giving the Bucks credit for doing the job they get paid millions of dollars to do, but this team has looked so lost of late that it was at least nice to see them come out looking unafraid against a very good team (and on the road no less). And while the final margin was much bigger than against the Bobcats, the fact that they survived past halftime might be something to build on. God, my standards are low.

  • Orlando Magic put together ridiculous second half in victory over Bucks

    UPDATE 2 (from Ben): The Magic's second-half onslaught earned high praise from Zach McCann of Orlando Magic Daily:

    You won’t see the Orlando Magic play a better half of basketball — and you might not ever again — than the second half of their 117-92 victory over the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday night.

  • Defense disappears

    UPDATE 3 (from Ben): Via Charles Gardner of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Bucks center Andrew Bogut explains how the game unravelled:

    "Dwight was scoring in the third, but we were still kind of right there," Bucks center Andrew Bogut said. "Then J Will just goes bang; he goes 5 for 5 from three.

    "Then their confidence is rolling. (Mickael) Pietrus starts hitting threes. We contained them pretty well for 2½ quarters.

    "Coach's worst fear was the three-point shooting. We let them get going and the basket started looking like an ocean to some of their shooters."

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MG Hammer

At last, a good effort by Gortot.

Please MG Hammer, play that way every night!

by Michaelc0 on Dec 31, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

Marcin has been picking up his effort and energy lately, which is a good sign.

Gortat is starting to look more and more like the player from last year.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Nelson

Well, that’s not good. I had been hoping his poor play was just a matter of rust, and a few games would help bring him back, but now it seems like he might not be fully recovered from the injury. If that’s true, I say we bench him for a couple more weeks — there’s no reason not to get this recovery right, especially considering that Jameer’s not helping us in the state he’s in…

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

I think Orlando needs to make move for a PG. Jameer isn’t ready, it is painfully obvious, and J-Will has already started to wear down. We have been getting worked at the PG spot recently.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if Jameer needs another 2-3 weeks for the knee to heal...

We still don’t need to make a move. We were able to do alright with Williams and Johnson. Otis won’t make a move unless it appears that Jameer is not going to be right by the end of the season.

With all of the roster problems (new players, injuries, suspension), we have the same record as Boston and tied in the loss column with Cleveland. There is no need to panic about Jameer until after the All-Star break.

by slickw143 on Dec 31, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

No panic

I personally have very little faith in Jameer getting healthy and staying. I hope I am wrong, but this could be one of those KG situation. Either way we at the very least need to let him rest for a couple of weeks.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Jameer doesn't have a history of problems with this knee.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

no just a problem staying healthy.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a couple of unlucky injuries.

Don’t get me wrong — I feel Nelson should drive less and focus on his three-pointer. But that’s partially because he does get beaten on a lot out there, and partially because his three-pointer is really good.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Magic don't need to make a move for a point guard, not right now at least.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I LOVE IT.,.
Howard scored 17 points on 8-of-11 shooting as the team made a concerted effort to make their all-star big man more involved and more efficient offensively than he’d been against the Boston Celtics on Christmas.

“I think tonight my teammates found me while I was in rhythm and I didn’t have to do a lot of banging,” Howard said. “Just make a quick move and get to the basket before they double-team — that’s one thing that’s been going on all season.”

FEED THE BEAST!!!

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Inside-out, that's the key.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yes sir

Feed the beast.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

"We're going to have to go back and evaluate where we are with Jameer," Van Gundy said.

There’s not much of a discusion on this ominous statement from SVG… I think it needs clarification: What is Van Gundy refering to? Is he talking about “re-evaluating” Jameer’s playing time, or his starting position, or does it reach DEEPER; say… Jameer’s “fit” with this Team? In other words; Is he questioning Jameer’s REAL VALUE to the Team, now?

If so; Is this a look into a “possible” trade. Note that I said POSSIBLE; NOT, probable…

I’ve been asking the same questions for the past three years…

by manny55 on Dec 31, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I think you're reading way too deep into Stan's quote.

Van Gundy is just talking about Nelson’s health.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

"We're going to have to go back and evaluate where we are with Jameer," Van Gundy said.

When I say “fit” I mean, as RELATED to his HEALTH and shortcomings, as we have SEEN them over the past three years.

by manny55 on Dec 31, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

I assume health

There is definitely a pattern of injury.. We are going to face 2 good-great PG’s in the playoffs in the East. A gimpy Meer and worn down J-Will will not get it done.

I would trade Jameer’s shooting % for a player who can stay healthy and do a better job distributing the basketball.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Jameer's been injured a few times, yes...

…but it’s never been the SAME injury. If all his injuries were to this knee, or to his shoulder (as last year’s was), I’d agree with you — but I don’t think he’s ever re-injured anything. He’s just had some bad luck, is all.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a problem.

His bad luck is happening as the team is peaking.

Over the last 3 years he has missed at least 15% of the games.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, at the moment, we don't really have a lot of options.

If he’s injured, he’s injured. But he’ll be healthy soon. He’s missed a few games a few times, but aside from last year, this has been his worst injury as a pro. And we should have no trouble waiting this one out — it’s happening in the middle of the season, and even if he has to sit out a couple more weeks, .

Now, if this happens a couple more times, or Jameer suffers an injury that becomes chronic, then maybe we start worrying. But we go about things in an organized fashion. We have no need to make panic trades or load up our roster with backups. If we decide that Jameer’s injury makes him a guy we can no longer count on (which I feel is still VERY far from the case), we need to find a replacement who can be a true point guard for a championship team. And it’s not like we’re going to do that mid-season.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

To finish that first paragraph....

“…and even if he has to sit out a couple more weeks, he’ll be back in plenty of time for the All-Star Break, let alone the end of the season. There’s no use making a trade and sttranding a player on our roster, only to spend the next three-plus months with four point guards.”

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

the magic need to find another pg

its clear that jwill plays better being a back up where he can rest his feet and having someone share the burden of creating a play on the pg spot. we need some consistency and a young talent that can learn from jameer and jwil and also aj. we need a future jameer because i think jameer being a liability this season

in OTIS we TRUST...

by Hbkid on Dec 31, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think Orlando needs another point guard, just have to give Nelson some time to recover.

Jameer hasn’t had a chance to practice, which is a problem because he’s practicing in games (in essence).

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

not insane

I think Orlando wanted cj Watson for a reason. He is young pg who could fill in long stretches if Jameer got hurt. Jameer is hurt again, so thought isn’t crazy.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

CJ Watson is not a point guard.

At the moment, his assist-per-minute ratio (2.5 in 26.9 MPG) is comparable to that of his teammates Andris Biedrins and Mikki Moore… both of whom, as you know, are centers. Anthony Johnson is currently averaging as many assists in 15 minutes as Watson is in 27… and Anthony Johnson is Anthony Johnson.

I know the offense of the Golden State Warriors is totally screwed, and I do not dispute that it may be difficult to acquire assists in it. Still, when two centers are managing it as well as you are, it’s safe to assume you don’t have much innate talent as a point guard.

Watson’s ceiling is as an Eddie House type — a backup “point guard” who doesn’t run the offense and functions more like an undersized SG. Feel free to hate or not hate the concept of that kind of player… I’m no fan myself. But also acknowledge that the Magic have never employed one, and that they need a real point guard who can run an offense (whether it’s a healthy Jameer, J-Will, or Anthony Johnson… all of whom are clearly superior to Watson as distributors.)

Yes — Orlando considered acquiring CJ Watson to fill in the backup role essentially taken by Jason Williams. Of course, Williams has proven to be quite effective in this role, at least in limited minutes. But the fact that Watson was considered isn’t some kind of huge endorsement of Watson so much as the fact that their other main options included Brevin Knight, Jacque Vaughn and the return of Tyronn Lue.

And that’s not even getting into the indication that the breakdown of the Magic-Warriors talks this summer may have been due to some sort of rift between the two front offices.

Are you the only person harping on this thoroughly mediocre player, or are there two or three of you around here?

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

when we couldnt get watson we picked up j-will

yet watson was a young pg who could grow into our system but we can scoop that up during the offseason

by Vanek on Jan 1, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

why so down about meer everyone?

this guy is an allstar period. yes hes been injured for 2 years really but what about the first half of last year when the guy simply dominated and had most of the nba thinking hes one of the top point guards in the east which he is.if you guys think we are going to get someone as good as a healthy meer chances are your going to be wrong.i to hope meer will come around soon. but really we dont need him till later in the year.imo our pg spot is just fine unless we have another health issue with meer(which we may i hope not).

by magicman775 on Dec 31, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the issue is that Jameer isn't playing like an All-Star this year. Far from it.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

knee surgery

Tough thing to bounce back from during the season. No matter how minor.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

what do you guys think about Kavin Garnett??

do you believe that this new knee problem has nothing to do with his old problems? I say no matter what they are all tied togheter and Celtics are in big trouble

by Vanek on Jan 1, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Boston isn't in big trouble because it's nowhere near playoff time, yet.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Jan 1, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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