Schmitz: Orlando Magic Center Marcin Gortat Unhappy with Playing Time
by Evan Dunlap on Dec 3, 2009 7:49 PM EST
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PrintMarcin Gortat, the Orlando Magic's backup center, is unhappy with his role on the team and wants to play outside the shadow of All-Star center Dwight Howard, reports Brian Schmitz. Gortat sounds diplomatic, but resolute, in his statements to Schmitz:
"I love the organization, but I'm not going to stay here being a back-up player and playing five minutes a game," Gortat said. "I hope people understand that. I know I can have a bigger role on another team."
And a bit later (brackets mine):
"I really don't think about this now. But at some point, I want to have the chance to sit down with coach [Stan] Van Gundy and tell him how I feel and where I want to go with my career," Gortat said. "I'm 100 percent sure coach will understand and will do the right thing for me and the team.
"My agent will talk to Otis [Smith, the Magic's general manager]. But it's too early to say anything."
I suppose we should have expected the Polish Machine to get fed up with his lack of playing time one day. Van Gundy seems reluctant to play him alongside Howard, so Gortat will only have a 10-to-15-minute window to play each night, unless Howard's in foul trouble. As Schmitz notes, Howard has manage to avoid fouling excessively of late, relegating Gortat to only a handful of minutes. The emergence of Brandon Bass, an undersized power forward who can play center occasionally, has also contributed to Gortat's reduced role.
Schmitz is careful to note that Gortat is not issuing a trade demand per se, a fact we should bear in mind as we proceed.
Despite his unhappiness, it seems unlikely that Gortat's wish to move to another team will come to fruition this season. His status as a Base Year Compensation player makes him difficult to move, as of his contract is worth different amounts to the teams involved with the trade. Nevertheless, it appears inevitable that the Magic will trade Gortat sometime next summer. Eddy and I have beat that drum for a while, for what it's worth.
Another factor that could complicate any efforts to trade Gortat is his level of play this year. As I wrote last week, Gortat's rebounding and shooting touch at the rim have declined so far this season. Van Gundy told Schmitz that Gortat hasn't played with as much energy this year as in seasons past, a statement Gortat doesn't dispute:
Gortat, 25, concedes he is tired and, moreover, "burned out mentally." He traces his physical and mental fatigue, in part, to playing big minutes with the Polish national team this summer after the Magic's season ended in mid-June.
This development is sad, as Gortat has endeared himself to Magic fans with his hard work and productivity (that second part is important; if working hard were all that mattered, he'd just be Ryan Bowen) over the last two seasons. However, the story has a ring of inevitability to it, which should make it easier for us to accept.
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Haha...........poor Ryan Bowen
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions
Anytime after this season. There's no pressure to deal him before the start of next season; they can wait for the right offer to come along
But this year it’s just too complicated, with the BYC and all.
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Off-season, like Ben said.
It’s extremely difficult to move Gortat during the season because his Base Year Compensation makes things almost impossible from a financial sense. In essence, Marcin’s BYC makes his contract value different in a trade than what he’s actually earning this year. For more information on how the BYC works, click here.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
The BYC comes into play this is true
But the other problem is that he also can decline a trade. For instance, OKC could decide they wanted him, and have the cap room to absorb Gortat’s contract. BUT, Gortat also has to agree to any trade until late July 2010 comes along.
I wonder if OKC would make that deal myself, but then again I wonder what the Magic will get for Gortat too.
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Yeah, we know. That's been mentioned before.
Plus, Dallas can’t make a move to acquire Marcin for a year. That is, if the Mavs still have interest.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
That's a great point Eddy
Dallas really likes Gortat. They may be the one team that would be willing to make a deal for Marcin next year.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Or Houston.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
That seems just as reasonable actually
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Gortat is a player that is right up Daryl Morey's alley.
It’s no coincidence the Rockets fielded an offer to Marcin this past off-season.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Glad he sounds like the trade will come next season.
RE: Gortat. Yes, he’s a competitor, but Van Gundy is spot on and anyone watching the games can see the drop off in Gortat’s production from a year ago. You want minutes? Produce. You don’t get play time in the NBA based on previous seasons. Just as Allen Iverson about that (or in a different vein, ask JJ Redick).
Gorat is being paid BIG money and therefore he ought to be better about fighting his fatigue. It will be hard to trade him to a team that will give him more play time and a starting role when what he shows right now is that he slacks when he is “burned out.” If Marcin wants to get Bass’s minutes at the 5, then show it on the floor.
Come on, March! Get it together. We could really use the 08-09 version….and frankly if you want to get a bigger role, you could use that version, too.
Yeah, I think it's important for both parties for Gortat to play better.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Fatigue is a poor excuse for someone in his position
Yes he did play a lot this summer, but Marcin can’t say that he doesn’t get any playing time and then turn around and blame his recent decline in production on being tired. Those two statements together don’t make any sense. “I never get to play, and I’m really tired” …? Mono?
The tired claims aside, this team is much better from top to bottom compared to last year, and the competition for PT is a lot stiffer because of it. There are always going to be at least 1-3 odd men out. You have to produce better than the guy next to you to get your time. Anderson outplayed Bass, so he got time at the 4. Now Bass outplayed Gortat, so he got time at the 5.
Don’t complain Gortat, respond. This is a supremely talented team. Earn your spot. (and money)
There's just a lack of energy from Marcin. That's the crux of the problem.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
1) He’s playing more often so far this year I think.
2) He’s not producing as good as he normally does.
3) Dwight’s foul troubles, esp. for playoffs, means I’d rather force Gortat to stay unless
4) We can get great returns on him in a trade. A starter or promising player.
5) I’m sure some trade talk will get thrown around but as Ben, E said, 1st year BYC and
trade refusal rules make it really hard to happen this year (assuming #4 to begin with.)
Gortat is a real class guy tho, I think he will handle it like a mature player and will bounce back productivity wise.
I have the same problem today that I had over the summer
I don’t see Marcin Gortat being a major NBA asset to most teams. Yes, he’s better than some starting C’s, but the question is how many. The next question is what team will give up what Otis Smith wants, and that could be a lot. There aren’t many teams that would be willing to help the Magic be less of a luxury tax payer, give up a quality talent to appease Otis Smith AND run the risk that Gortat may not be as good as last season indicated. Yes, there is a dearth of bigs in the NBA, but I wonder if the expectation that Gortat should bring something of quality in return is in line with the reality of what may happen.
If the Magic get little more than cap relief (which is what I suspect they will have to settle for given the economic climate and what teams are facing at the box office), it just won’t be a surprise. If I was a NBA team, there is no way I’d be willing to pay Marcin Gortat AND give up a quality rotation player/draft pick.
Most people here are aware I’m a Kings fan. If Geoff Petrie offered up cap space AND a future 1st round pick for Gortat, I’d demand he be run out of town on a rail. Oh, and his contract expires this summer. As much as I like Gortat, I don’t trust Gortat to be better in a situation where he would have to fight for the starting spot (which is much easier with Spencer Hawes as his primary competition). As a fan, I would much rather the Kings take the risk of drafting a high quality big through the draft rather than trying to fix the problem by spending on Gortat. And make no mistake, the Kings need better interior defense and rebounding (both things Gortat provides), but I have no belief that a 3-some pair of Gortat, Hawes & Thompson are championship caliber. AT best, that team would make the 2nd round even with Tyreke Evans developing as he has. As a Kings fan, I want a championship. I’m willing to be patient on that one. (Now, I don’t think most fans see it that way though.)
As good as Gortat is as a player, and I’m not doubting his worth really, what I am doubting is that Gortat’s worth will be similar to NBA teams as what Magic fans currently view Gortat’s worth being at. (I hope that explains it.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Gortat isn't a difference-maker but he is a starter in the league. That's about it.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I'd say he has the potential of a Rony Seikaly???
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Dec 4, 2009 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You may be right
Seikaly’s best year (PER-wise) was 1996/97, when he averaged 17.3 points, 9.5 boards, and 1.4 blocks on 50.7% from the field for a PER of 18.3.
Gortat probably won’t be that kind of scorer, but he should shoot at least 55%, and have a few more blocks as well.
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Seikaly, also had a little midrange to him if I remember correctly...
And reminded me of Fabio’s brother (kidding, long hair though…)
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This really is a good tome for Gortat.
A lot of teams need a strong rebounding, defensive Center.
by The Stan 'Stache on Dec 4, 2009 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In case you think I rep Kings fans
Read this. I’m sure it will get more action as the day goes on.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I completely disagree.
Why would you not give up a 1st rounder for a proven Center? He would have been the best big man in the draft outside of Blake Griffin. Top 5 Pick.
Gortat is a top 10 Center right now. A 7 footer with good hands and feet is tough to find.
Better C’s-BLopez, Bynum, AHoford, CKaman,MGasol, N.Hilario,D12
I am glad the Magic held on to him, but I feel for him. His best years are being wasted on the bench, playing 12 minutes a game.
Gortat would have been a perfect fit for Dallas. That was match made in basketball heaven.
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Because teams want more than playoff appearances
That’s why.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
(They want the Dwight Howard's of the world in otherwords....)
If you want the Dwight Howard’s of the world, you have to have your draft picks. Simple as that.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You have the #1 pick.
It really depends on the make up of your team? Who wouldn’t give up 8-15 pick for a good C? Gortat in OKC would be great. They have the scoring.
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you need the #1 pick for D12.
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And luck
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Nope
I wouldn’t. OKC is a good fit for him, but I don’t know that they would want to pay him. They had their chances to get him, and chose not to do so. However, they might change their mind.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
pookeyguru raises fair points.
After all, the Mavs offered more than any team but the Magic to acquire Gortat. The primary reason why teams would be willing to offer even more than the Mavs did last year (i.e., paying Gortat’s salary and giving up something in return) is if he substantially improved his play. But he hasn’t — in fact he’s playing worse.
All that being said, the Magic still enjoy the services a very good (though expensive) backup center this year. And by the time we consider trading Gortat (maybe this summer), his game may improve. But he’s not anywhere close to being there now.
by gift of the magi on Dec 3, 2009 11:39 PM EST reply actions
Hmmm...let me try to make sense of this...
He says he is tired and “burned out mentally” from playing with the Polish team this summer. Yet, he wants MORE minutes.
First of all, with Dwight’s early foul troubles and some key big men missing early, Gortat has gotten MORE playing time but has been less productive. Gortat can do himself and the team a favor by playing better so he can be more attractive to other teams out there.
If Gortat isn’t going to give 100%, I foresee many more nights of B. Bass manning the backup 5 spot, especially against teams without dominant centers.
Want more minutes?... EARN them!
I have ALWAYS liked Gortat, just as I like J.J. -both underdogs…
But all comments above reflect a common truth: he HAS played more minutes this year, except for maybe the past 3 to 4 games. ALL his numbers are DOWN, plus his fouls are UP!
But what I question the most is his TIMING; WHY this… at THIS TIME? … after just 19 games; and to the Team that gave him so much? Come on!
I’ve always been of the opinion that MONEY has destroyed all sense of work ethic and moral values in sports. Players feel entitled… but entitled to WHAT? They should be entitled to SHOW/PLAY their value; that is play to their FULL potential, their FULL effort, with ALL their energy and desire. Players like Pete Rose, Roberto Clemente in Baseball, and Willis Reed, Oscar Roberson in Basketball played their HEARTS out… for peanuts… peanuts! Players today are more athletic; make extraordinary plays, BUT… do NOT SHOW any more HEART than those Leyends did… they have NOT shown that they are indeed WORTH 5, 10, 20 million dollars… in ANY League!
I say… lets wait this one out and see how he performs by the end of the season. Then, after July, 2010 ship him out to NJ; see how he likes playing in a loosing team; bring back Lee.
Maybe Schmitz slipped him some Hennessey to loosen him up in order to get the negative angle.
Looking for a fire-starting story isn’t outside of Schmitz reputation.
You know...
It’s easy to say that he’s getting paid so what’s the problem or he’s got to earn his minutes but if you haven’t been in that situation, you don’t know how to feel. I’ve been in that situation where I’m wanted and coveted, then wondering why I’m not being utilized properly (albeit playing for free and in a rec league). I made a bigger deal of it than I should’ve and we didn’t succeed as a team. It was bad on both parts and it came at the wrong time. Learning this, Marcin is entitled to his opinion but it should definitely stay “in-house”. It’s typically solved better that way and it makes for a much friendlier playing environment.
Does Gortat like MIA>
Cuz he can be gone as soon as midnight during FA season. Gortat, VC, Bass, future picks for Wade. Get it done Otis
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Eh, no need to include Brandon in that type of deal. That'd be overkill.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Meercat would have to be ungodly from 3 to make that deal really work though
Really, however, bringing back Dwyane Wade would be tough. Plus, doing a deal in-state? That has disaster written all over it if Wade comes up lame.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I doubt Wade comes up lame.
And I don’t think Jameer needs to shoot a ridiculous percentage from three to make up for Dwyane’s lack of three-point shooting (which he makes up in many different ways). If there’s any coach in the NBA that can adjust his offensive philosophy to his personnel, it’s Stan Van Gundy. Without a doubt.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
When Wade wants to, he can be an average outside shooter
He was 31.7% last season, taking 3.5 per game. That’s identical to Rafer Alston’s rate and percentage last season, but Wade is more dangerous as a driver, which could cause more defensive confusion – you didn’t worry too much about overplaying Rafer, since he wasn’t a major threat. You CAN’T afford to overplay Wade.
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Yeah, I mean, to think the offense would suffer with Dwyane is funny to me.
If anything, it’d be more dangerous because of Wade’s slashing ability. Van Gundy likes to have a guy in the 4-out/1-in offensive sets to slash to the bucket while Dwight Howard is in the post and what better player than Dwyane Wade to accomplish that? It’d be disgusting.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Lol, oh come on... Like we would care about Wade's 3 if we could get him???
That’s like saying the trade will work if Lebron can work on his 3’s… Lol
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Dec 4, 2009 12:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is only one ball
Jameer is a high usage guy, so is Dwight and so is Wade.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Then again so is VC
Who knows?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
But Vince Carter wouldn't be around in this scenario.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Just gonna shrug
Nothing wrong indulging in a fantasy.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
No, not at all.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
As long as you have Wade and D12
You can figure out the rest.
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Exactly.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
No way the Heat trade Wade to the Magic...
Only at the 11th hour, with a gun to his head, would Riley consent to sign and trade his franchise 250 miles away.
Judging by the raptors flat-footed start and Bosh’s complaints about the lack of effort from the team, I would think the Heat landing CB4 would be much more likely.
Well, obviously, a trade involving divisional and in-state rivals is unlikely to occur.
But like Dwyane said, anything is possible in the NBA.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Gortat really sucks this year
Maybe if he wants some playing time he will get out ther and work. I was begging for Van gundy to put Bass int the game at center the other night, when he finally did we got to see how good Bass is at center. Ship gortat out with his huge contract and his whinny mouth. We need a the real deal on this team and hes holding us back.
Holding the team back? That makes no sense.
I didn’t know a back-up center can hold a team back.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
i agree vanek
we see how well brandon can play as of late. he is just out playing gortat for minutes. and e i think a back up center has a big role in the games as far as keeping the tempo going. gortat is not doing that so far this year.
It has a role but it's not a make-or-break type of deal.
To say that Gortat is holding the team back whatsoever is overstating things a bit.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
def not make or break you are right.
just a role to fill and hes leaving it short on the court so far this season.im sure he picks it up very soon too.
Can't say I'm too suprised at his comments
I honestly dont think from an indvidual standpoint he really didnt wanted to be here during the off-season and its been documented he wanted to go to Dallas to get a starting job and get more minutes anyway.
The combination of a stacked rotation (which has probably reduced his minutes even more) and unhappiness of not going to Dallas has probably attributed more to his poor performance more than we thought. Also when people are saying outloud “Boy he could be traded December 15th” it’s probably gotta be slightly frustrating. As E said he’s gotta play through it, but these comments are just reaffirming why he was hesitant to sign that matching sheet.
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We all expected this
Even when Otis resigned him, the comments section here was filled with trade talk. This guy is a starting center, it’s unfortunate for him to have to be behind the best center in the league.
If he were to demand a trade (not that he’s in the position to do so) I wouldn’t hold it against him.
One Freaken Second
I don't expect a trade demand.
I hear a tempered tone and an eye toward next season. If (big IF) he starts making more noises about a trade, I hope he realizes he’ll probably need to functionally waive his trade-approval clause. He’d look like a real jerk to agitate for a trade and then put the brakes on it ‘cause he didn’t like the team….that kind of stuff poisons a reputation.
Hope he gets his ring this year and gets more PT next year.
If he doesn't play better, and keeps complaining:
I think “The Polish Hammer” should be “The Polska Kielbasa” (The Polish Sausage)…
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Dec 4, 2009 9:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
LMAO.
Yeah, trading Gortat for Thomas would be counter-productive.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Wouldn't work under the cap anyway
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Thomas is more a PF too, so again, we’d be overfilling the PF depth chart if Magic even liked him. He’s got some potential tho, just not for Orlando.
Funny how having 30 teams in the NBA works out :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Can you say you're shocked by that?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I knew things were going too well...
I figured something “negative” would happen shortly but I didn’t think it would come from Gortat. I agree with everyone else, he’s gotta earn it. I don’t see Bass complaining (so far) and when he gets on the court he makes every minute count.
This isn't a surprise, given that this isn't the first time we've heard this rhetoric from Marcin.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Is this a Joke?
The Magic are trying to win a championship.
Its all hands on deck,
Screw Gortat.
Crybaby need a diaper change?
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
I am sorry
This is not constructive.
But come on.
This really makes me view Gortat in a different light now.
He is a Crybaby woman, who is not willing to work hard enough to warrant minutes.
Which you could not blame him, Dwight Howard plays in front of him, But he needs to toe the company line and enjoy the best team he will ever be on for the rest of his NBA career
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
ha ha..
A guy wants to play the sport he loves and he is crybaby? Why do athletes have to be politicians? Call it how you see it. You are calling him names for speaking his mind? Interesting.
I can respect a guy who wants to play more. Especially, since he was on his way, and the Magic decided to sign him in the 9th inning.
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Marcin isn't a crybaby. He's far from that.
Gortat is a competitor and wants to start. What’s wrong with that? Marcin is a starting-caliber player and I don’t blame his desire to play more. I didn’t know we penalize individuals for wanting to help the team.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
He wants to start. Thats Nice. Real Good Goal IN fact.
But its not going to happen.
And Bitching and Moaning about it won’t change A Damn Thing.
He needs to shut up.
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
It would be in the Magic's long-term interest to move Gortat
Unless Bass can ably man the 5, which is unlikely in the playoffs against the Celtics and Cavs’ big front lines, the Magic need a productive and happy Gortat to get back to the finals…where they would most likely have to battle 21’ of Lakers.
But in his defense, he has shown (at least last year) that he’s a starting center in the league, and I can see how his frustration might build by sitting behind Dwight, and now even Bass. SVG and Otis need to sit down and talk to Gorat and convey the importance of his production to ensure that there is a robust market for his services next summer. Should Gortat produce like he did last year, and the Magic make it back to the finals, Marcin would have a number of suitors to choose.
Ultimately, thats what leadership is about—making your troops understand and buy into a larger goal without antagonizing their aspirations I’m not sure SVG is capable of doing that, but Otis is a pretty calm and reasonable guy.
And unless the Magic can extract a pound of flesh (ie a lottery pick and/or a fringe all star) from a team desperate for size, I can’t see how trading him would be worth it since we absolutely need a healthy and productive Gortat to get back the finals.
Marcin is going to get moved, but it isn't going to happen now.
If anyone thought that Otis had the intention of keeping Gortat around for the long-term after he matched the offer sheet from the Dallas Mavericks, they were out of their mind to think that. Like Smith said to me, he’s protecting an asset. An asset that will eventually be moved for another asset. That’s the NBA.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
an asset that is dwindling in value ever single game
I wish Gortat would get some fire in his game become the guy that i defended at the begginning of last season when nobody else saw his potential. I know what he is capable of and that is what is so annoing to see
great word for gortat asset.
i think your right tho it will be next off season before a trade happens.
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