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Feeling bad for the Nets...

All I can say is 'Wow'. 

Does anyone else feel bad for the former Magic players who are now languishing on the Nets?  I was a big fan of Courtney Lee last year.  I also felt Rafer Alston did an admirable job last year piloting the team to the finals - only to have Jameer come in at the last minute.  I'm sure he was traded because he voiced his displeasure with the way things went in the Finals - and which of you wouldn't be pissed? Tony Battie put in some quality minutes for the team for several years.  But this post wasn't about last year, or any other year.  This post is about how I actually feel bad for a couple of guys I have never met, and who make millions of dollars doing something they love.  I guess I feel bad because I have no idea how it would feel to go from virtually the top of your profession in going to the NBA finals to going to the absolute bottom. 

Everyone knows New Jersey is a hellhole... it always has been. Maybe with new ownership things will improve.  I hope so - if only for our former Magic players.  Courtney Lee has a bright future, but I dont think it will be realized until he gets off that terrible team.

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I was just about to post something similar...

Yes, I feel for our former teammates in their miserable existance that is being the first team in league history to start the season by losing their first 18 games. Being Magic fans, we’ve all experienced what it is like to lose that many games in a row at the beginning of a season, though not the first 18 in a row.

Obviously, I am referring to the 1-19 start to the 2003-04 season, losing 19 in a row after an opening night victory. That was just a miserable season that pretty much was over before it began, with yet another setback in Grant Hill’s recovery from ankle surgery and the firing of Doc Rivers (who I really likes as a coach during his tenure with the Magic). The season wasn’t a total loss though, as the team played hard despite the losing streak and losing their coach, and TMac had a great statistical season. Also, it led to the Magic winning the draft lottery which resulted in drafting our current superstar Center, Dwight Howard, and the resurrection of the franchise. So, it’s not all bad…

Sure, it will sting for Nets fans as they watch this team continue to lose. Sure, they will be in the record books as the the team with the worst start in league history. But…BUT, all they have to do is look at our very own Orlando Magic and their recent history as a beacon of hope that things can get better. The Nets have a talented young nucleus in place with Devin Harris, Brook Lopez, Chris Douglas-Roberts, Yi Jianlian, and our former brother in arms, Courtney Lee. They also have the hope of another young, talented draftee in the upcoming draft and some cap space from the expiring contracts of Alston and Battie (the reason they were included in the trade for Carter).

The present may indeed be bleak, but I think the future is bright and if the young core can survive this destitude, they will be stronger for it!

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I thought Doc was a horrible coach here.

(And really not much better in Beantown, except the team’s talent level is higher). Doc was horrible at picking talent in drafts….and horrible at developing talent (still is if you look at most of the players that’ve come through Boston during his time). It was like he kept trying to find the Magic a 6’6" PG in the draft….no matter that they kept drafting SGs and then benching them when they couldn’t run the NBA point. Sigh, those were the days, huh?

by magicfaninTN on Dec 3, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The draft portion of that statement, that is!

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He also got a lot out of a bunch of players who weren't that great!

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The 6'6" point guard thing was a pretty constant thing with the Magic, though...

…it pre-dated Doc, and ran through more than one GM.

As for Doc himself, I have mixed feelings. I feel like his strategy mostly involved letting the players run the offense… which makes for an exciting game, but not necessarily a precise game.

It’s worked for Boston because… well, have you seen Boston’s roster? They’re full of veterans who know exactly what they’re doing, Rajon Rondo who knows exactly what he’s doing, and Kendrick Perkins who doesn’t have to do a lot of things. Any time they get a guy whose fundamentals are questionable — whether it’s a Glen Davis or a Stephon Marbury — that guy flounders. I mean, even Eddie House — they’re pretty much at the mercy of Eddie House, who will shoot any time he wants to shoot.

That much having been said, he’s a top-notch motivator, so good for him on that. (Not that he’s ever had to deal with a really dysfunctional group of players.) But let’s be honest here — all the Celtics really need is a guy who will stand on the sidelines in a suit and keep Garnett from punching anyone.

Bo Outlaw's name is Charles. Chucky Atkins' isn't.

by 3.3seconds on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I'm wrong but it seemed like the Magic were looking for the next Penny.

I remember shaking my head at all the bad picks Gabriel and Rivers made in the draft.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 3, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always felt they were looking for the next Magic Johnson

Even Penny was an attempt to get a new Magic

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Dec 4, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's true.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like they weren't looking for the next Magic...

so much as they were looking in general, and they saw Penny, and they were like, “hey, this guy’s awesome, we should get him.” Now, maybe Penny was trying to be Magic, but on the teams’ side, they’re going to play Penny no matter who he resembles, because he’s good at basketball.

Bo Outlaw's name is Charles. Chucky Atkins' isn't.

by 3.3seconds on Dec 5, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Were there THAT many?

Tall PGs in particular, I mean. I know there were a lot of bad picks, but the only ones I can recall who were specifically tall PGs were Sasser and Gaines.

(And maybe Brooks Thompson? I never thought of him that way, though… because he was 6’4", which is an actual height a PG might be, and because he was really more of a SG.)

I guess you could stretch it further to Keyon Dooling, except that Dooling wasn’t that tall (6’3"), and anyway, we really just drafted him for the Clippers, right? I seem to recall that trade being worked out before the pick was actually made…

Bo Outlaw's name is Charles. Chucky Atkins' isn't.

by 3.3seconds on Dec 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, not many, but don't tell that to either Gabriel or Rivers.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who would blame them so much tho? Penny was ridiculous, and maybe some of that homerun potential mentality helped them in picking Dwight. I was leaning toward’s Emeka way back then. (I’m ashamed for this btw haha)

by derekk on Dec 4, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Penny was also the no. 3 pick.

Everyone KNEW he was good. If Gaines or Sasser were good, they would’ve been lottery picks.

I really feel like once you get out of the lottery, you go for the guy whose skills and production make sense — for the 6’6" SG from a good school, not for the weirdly tall PG who lasted four years at a college that didn’t make the postseason.

One approach gets you Jeryl Sasser… the other gets you Keith Bogans as often as not, but you can do worse than Keith Bogans. (Jeryl Sasser, for example.) And sometimes, the other approach gets you Ryan Anderson, Chris Douglas-Roberts, DeJuan Blair, Carlos Boozer, Gilbert Arenas, or (to an extent) Courtney Lee. (I guess Courtney played for a small school, but he put up good stats all four years, and Western Kentucky was a pretty regular 12 seed in the NCAA tournament, wasn’t it?)

The point is, sometimes guys don’t slip because they’re not good, they slip because they’re not exciting. Or because they’re not excessively athletic… PFs and PGs in particular run into this a lot. If you ask me, I’d rather get the guy who’s demonstrated he can produce and hope the NBA’s physical demands don’t stop him, than get the athlete who has failed to produce and hope that his physical ability can catapult him past the college level he didn’t dominate and into the pros.

Bo Outlaw's name is Charles. Chucky Atkins' isn't.

by 3.3seconds on Dec 5, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way...

…I wanted Emeka over Dwight too at the time. (I also thought Courtney Lee was the next Jeryl Sasser. Good thing I’m not drafting!)

Bo Outlaw's name is Charles. Chucky Atkins' isn't.

by 3.3seconds on Dec 5, 2009 5:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 6, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Authorial depression. lol. Sorry man.

I’m with you that being on the Nets must be rough this season, but getting moved is part of the cutthroat nature of professional sports. If those 3 had been able to provide this team with more production than the players obtained in the trade, the trigger does not get pulled, or perhaps another players gets moved instead.

I think it would be fair to be disappointed if I was one of those players. Who in the league (besides maybe Kevin Garnett) wouldn’t want to be on this Magic team? Rafer and Tony knew this is part of the business and CLee is learning that lesson this season. In fact, Rafer was only on the team in the first place b/c a fluke shoulder injury to Jameer and the Rockets were willing to ship him for what we dangled.

CLee may be a good player on the Nets yet…give them time. They have only two proven legit starters, no superstar (sorry Devin), and a bunch of young/role players on a team beset with injuries this season. Perfect storm. But they are working hard, seem to like each other in the locker room, and despite dysfunctional management’s decision to scapegoat the coach—seem like coachable players. I agree with whomever said they’re a PF and a star (and at least a season or 2) away from contending.

by magicfaninTN on Dec 4, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hope that doesn't make you more disgruntled

but I actually responded to the OP and overlooked your first comment…whoops. And, I only picked out the Doc comment b/c I essentially agree with everything else you said. :-)

by magicfaninTN on Dec 4, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The main issue is that the Nets are playing people that have no business logging major minutes.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, I disagree with your assertion that Alston was traded because he was unhappy with losing his starting role in the Finals.

As far as I know, he was traded for several factors (cap number, expiring contract, etc), none of which were because he was unhappy with how things shook out in the Finals.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Now that the Nets have set the record for worst start to an NBA season, does anybody know what the record is for all-time longest losing streak (not just to start a season)

I’m just wondering how close they are to setting any other losing streak records.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ok, thanks.

I tend not to refer to wikipedia for things like this as I don’t really trust a site that can be freely edited by anyone to say whatever they want. I know, there is a verification process for changes, but I still don’t trust the site. lol

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's true!

I just edited the page to say that the Baltimore Butts lost 55 straight games in 1883!

(I don’t know… I get what you’re saying in general, but I don’t see a lot of people vandalizing obscure NBA records.)

Bo Outlaw's name is Charles. Chucky Atkins' isn't.

by 3.3seconds on Dec 3, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When in doubt, go to Basketball-Reference.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 3, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did, but didn't know how to find that on the site. lol

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 3, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And now the Nets have a target on their back.

Because nobody wants to be the team that breaks the streak.

by magicfaninTN on Dec 3, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 3, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

CLee is shooting a pretty bad % right now, and was injured for most of the season so far. I want to throw an idea out there and see what people think.
Brandon Bass for Courtney Lee. (Trade some of the TPE to NJ for free pretty much so they can get Bass’ 4mil-ish contract after we use it to acquire Lee; and that should make the 1 for 1 deal work) We have Barnes now, but I think Lee is better than him and JJ, and only MP at times has proven clear-cut better (past playoffs). We can expand it to include Rafer and JJ or picks or something of the such if we want. Bass would kill it in NJ. Their most deprived position is PF by far.

by derekk on Dec 3, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No way. That wouldn't be a smart trade.

I honestly think people overrate Courtney Lee. I’d rather have Brandon Bass.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 3, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bass is a better player than Lee

Until Lee can prove he can make a layup I dont want him on this team… Yes I’m still bitter

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 4, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ohhhhhhhh..............snap.

NJ would still be a hell hole even with a good basketball team

Never trust a fart

by AB's triple double on Dec 4, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

CLee is proving to be avg, dime a dozen SG.

The fact we got VC and Ryan Anderson out of the deal is stealing..

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by Wmillion on Dec 4, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, exactly. You can get a player like Lee anywhere. Anderson, not so much.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 4, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do people really think JJ is worse than Lee?

I couldn’t disagree more with that comparison.

by Kennedy K on Dec 4, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why does Otis try to trade JJ before CLee in that exact same VC deal?

by derekk on Dec 4, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because Redick has a qualifying offer at the end of the season.

Which means his contract, in theory, is an expiring one.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 4, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt that had a sizeable factor in his decision to try and trade JJ first. Please, please keep in mind that CLee is only gone.. because we have a Vince Carter right now.. There’s this unspoken thing for not re-trading so soon, so I doubt it happens, but it just makes sense to me. Rashard and Ryan got PF on lock down. Barnes cant hit 3’s or defend well at times, JJ shoots/facilitates but on D he cant defend as well as CLee. MP can outplay CLee both sides… when he’s focused, thats it, and CLee may have the most upside. JJ is a QO and Barnes is a PO, I really think one is gone next summer, paving the way for another wingman. I’ll still do that trade, but taking into account what some of you said, I’d deftly ask for cash/picks first.

by derekk on Dec 4, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Terrence Williams for JJ or Bass? I like that kid’s potential. He can’t shoot is about it.

by derekk on Dec 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Williams would be a terrible fit.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 4, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw some Battie too. But Alston was buried in favor of a suprisingly good Dooling (because he just played his 1st game of season from an injury).

by derekk on Dec 4, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe that was the problem, which has been said many times

That the rotation was really questionable, even if theyre still a bad team.

by Kennedy K on Dec 5, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deftly. They’re more familiar with Dooling playing 6th man, letting Terrence not have to shoot anymore, and Battie is a legit PF when they had Hassell/Simmons in it before. Add a returning CLee and Harris and they should actually have a better record from now on out.

by derekk on Dec 5, 2009 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nets notch first win against 'Cats!

Was watching the game. I’ve been taking towards the Nets lately on LPBB because I like Lopez/Harris/Lee. Lee dropped 27 in the game. The sample size is 1 game, so you can’t take anything from it really. What I’ve been noticing tho is the quickness I see and that we saw last year. CLee can very quickly drive and get space for shots; even getting space while off the ball a lot. Sticky defense with some good gamble steals too. I still think he will turn into somewhere between a starter and all-star material, especially if he doesn’t relent in the D department and can develop a few go-to moves along with his 3. He ain’t a VC tho, not much offense happening yet where the good defender was in his face like VC can do with his eyes closed should quickness or picks fail.

by derekk on Dec 4, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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