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Portland Gets: (C)Marcin Gortat and (PF) Brandon Bass

Orlando Gets: (PF)LaMarcus Aldrige

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Portland needs a center because all of there's blow up and in case you haven't realized... the guy is VERY good. We would be losing two guys who could start but get minimal playing time. Only problem is that we would have to go into free agent or make another deal for a back up center.

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That trade would never happen.

The Portland Trail Blazers just re-upped LaMarcus Aldridge to a long-term contract.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 26, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

Nope.

The Blazers view Aldridge as a long-term building block alongside Brandon Roy and, to a lesser extent, Greg Oden, which explains why they signed him to a 5-year, $65 million extension this summer. They wouldn’t trade a fringe All-Star for two role players. No reason to.

by Evan Dunlap on Dec 27, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

Aldridge wouldn't be a good fit, anyway.

Not with the Magic, at least.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It makes sense on some levels but we don’t need LA with Rashard and Ryan. And like the above said, Portland understandibly really likes him and just extended him. Last time someone recently extended was put on the trading block so quick was Rip Hamilton but that’s because Detroit didn’t mesh well w AI and went to rebuilding, while Rip is still there anyways.

by derekk on Dec 27, 2009 7:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i dont think a trade cant happen this season

but we will never know what otis thinks. he is a master at this. i wont be surprised if chris paul becomes a magic. hehehe

in OTIS we TRUST...

by Hbkid on Dec 27, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

I would dance in the street

If I am P-Town I hang up as soon as you finish the offer. Aldrige is an potential all star, you don’t trade potential All-stars without getting one in return.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Dec 27, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

I'd hang up as soon as you finish the offer, too.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 29, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Heck, if we're trading for players who their teams would never give up in a million years...

…at a position where we seriously don’’t need another player, why don’t we just go get Kevin Love? He’s a better rebounder, and he shoots the three. He’s basically the only guy Minnesota has, and there’s no way the Wolves would give him up, but…

…etc. etc.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 28, 2009 3:14 AM EST reply actions  

I doubt it.

I mean, Ryan’s great and all, but Love is already one of the 2-3 best rebounders in the league, and a very effective scorer as well.

I mean, Love is better than Aldridge, can we at least agree on that? Is better now, has more room to improve, will be better indefinitely. Has no relevance whatsoever to the Magic and their situation, but there it is.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 28, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont follow Aldridge or Love enough to say, but Rashard/Ryan fits us great already :P

by derekk on Dec 28, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, definitely.

We don’t need another PF at all. I think that’s the underlying point here — there are so many players we could use more than a PF.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 28, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Love is playing like an All-Star, right now. Aldridge isn't.

And I do think that Kevin is better than LaMarcus.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 29, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing about Aldridge is...

…he’s just not a rebounding force. And if he had that potential, well, he’s had time to demonstrate it. So it’s reasonable to suspect he’ll never be a plus rebounder. Not saying he’s not a good player, just saying he’s limited in that way.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 29, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

We need to make a trade.

We have too many people for our rotation and need to do something about it. Bass is a good player but never plays, and Gortat is solid but making $5 mil and limited playing time, its not worth having him on the team. I hope we can do something about this eventually. Will be interesting to see what Otis is going to do.

by blumad on Dec 28, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

We need to do 3 things..

1. Feed D12
2 Drive the basketball Jameer, VC, and Pietrus
3.Figure out the rotation.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Dec 29, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree on...

…most of that, really. Carter does NOT need to drive the lane more — he’s forced way too many drives to the basket already, and regularly ends up trying to make low-percentage lay-ups over one or more players. What Carter needs to do is pass. If you start trying to focus on him driving now, you’re not going to convey the underlying message to him, which is “you’re the second-least efficient scorer on this team. If you have the ball, try to find the open man before you think about your own shot.”

Both Jameer and Pietrus are much more effective as three-point shooters than driving the lane. (They’re also both injury-prone.) Not saying they need to STOP driving, but I certainly wouldn’t encourage it from them.

As for Howard… he gets the ball kind of a lot already. Yes, less than last year, but a decent amount. And what do we see as a result? A lot of turnovers. And a decent amount of scoring, but at what cost? By putting the ball in to Howard, you’re inviting opponents to beat on him at will. That’s going to wear down Howard, and it’s going to make refs more likely to call “break-even” foul calls on Howard at the other end. Howard’s a threat even if he’s not shooting the ball all the time… teams know this. If they forget it, or if it turns out they can’t stop Howard, go in to Howard. But if they’ve got Howard defended, that’s good. It means someone else is probably open on the perimeter. Find an open three and shoot it.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 30, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

VC takes a lot of low % jump shots and 3s too.. Driving the basketball opens up the 3 point line for everyone including VC and creates better looks for D12.

The only way D12 is going to polish his offensive game is by trial and error in a game. We will not win the East if D12 doesn’t become more of a force on O- it won’t happen. Right now we have one player who we can create their own shot. That isn’t enough. Boston has 3, LA has 3( maybe 4), and we Cleveland has 1 1/2, and we have 1. We will have a good regular season, but come playoffs we will be dissapointed.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at our last 4 losses

We got killed by dribble pentration..

Rondo, Deron, and Nash all had their way with us in the paint..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with anything?

We were talking about offense, not about defense.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

my point

Is dribble penetration is a game changer. You can break down a defensive team like Orlando with dribble penetration. I think our offense output increases vs teams like Boston and Cleveland if we drive the ball. That’s how they beat us.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 8:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Boston averaged 82 points per game against us.

Whatever they beat us with, it wasn’t their offense.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Boston doesn't beat Orlando with its offense, it wins with its defense.

And that’s how the Magic have to beat the Celtics, with its defense as well.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Jan 1, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

A team can never have too much depth.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 29, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

thank you very much.........

Just one man's opinion...

....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....

"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009

by hwyatt3 on Jan 3, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Gortat's essentially untradeable until the summer

Meaning we can only really trade Bass of the players who aren’t getting the playing time their salary would suggest.

I don’t think we need to make a trade right now. Right now, we need the starters and rotation to settle and for guys to get used to playing with a steady five, so we can see what this team is actually made of.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 29, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

People keep saying this, but Gortat is not that untradeable.

We just can’t easily trade him straight up for one other player.

But in a small package of other players (like AJ, Barnes, Foyle, etc) the +/- 125% + $100K really gives a lot of room to make deals.

by magicfaninTN on Dec 30, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Marcin is nearly untradeable this year.

Gortat’s BYC makes it extremely difficult to move him.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 31, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

The Magic are in need of a trade

We need another playmaker at wing. I think Jameer and his numerous injuries have proven that we need another All Star guard to pair with Dwight Howard.

Gortat and Jameer for Chris Paul

or

Vince Carter for Chris Paul and James Posey

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Dec 29, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

Gortat and Jameer wouldn't be anywhere close to enough to snag a player like Chris Paul.

Likewise, the New Orleans Hornets would do everything in its power to keep CP3.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 29, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sort of jumping into the time machine here but

CP3 is an outright max signing possibility for the MAGIC. I think he’s done with his contract the same year that Dwights, Rashards, Jameers, Pietrus, Bass are done (with VC alrdy off 1 yr ago). That’s sign a max FA or two kind of cap room to compliment the resign of the biggest FA, Dwight.

by derekk on Dec 30, 2009 1:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wishful thinking, to be sure.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 30, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you mean CBA? You lost me with EBA.

If that’s what you’re referring to, yes, the CBA will expire before CP3’s contract expires.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Jan 2, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

They’re referred to as EBAs in Australia, where I’m from. Enterprise Bargaining Agreements as opposed to Collective etc.

Brain fail.

by eltharion_doa on Jan 3, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

No worries, figured as much.

I write for Orlando Pinstriped Post and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Jan 4, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

why dont we just trade vince and jameer for kobe bryant.....that might happen

Just one man's opinion...

....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....

"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009

by hwyatt3 on Jan 3, 2010 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

sarcasm

Just one man's opinion...

....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....

"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009

by hwyatt3 on Jan 3, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions  

no trade needed

we just need Shard and Meer to play like they did last year. wtf is going on with them right now?

Abracadabra homes

by nowuseemenowudont on Dec 30, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Not enough touches.

They used to be main focuses of the offense… now they’re not. Jameer in particular needs to be the guy who initiates the offense most of the time. But Vince has usurped that role, along with a lot of the shots that should be going to guys like Jameer, Shard… even Ryan. The rotation is not rotating properly.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 30, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

SVG need to tell VC to go for double-doubles in points and ASSISTS

Agree that if VC would spend more time cutting, drawing the defender, and passing,then the offense would tick a lot smoother. But hopefully part of the issue is that he’s still learning the spacing and the players. I hope post-All-Star-break that he has a better idea where to find the open shooters on the floor.

by magicfaninTN on Dec 30, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

And part of it is that they're still running the offense through Vince too much.

I understand that Vince carried more of that load when Jameer was out. That was natural. But Jameer is back. And when Jameer and Vince are on the floor, Jameer should be running the point. I don’t see that happening nearly enough right now — they continue to give the ball to Vince and tell him to make the decisions. Well, Jameer’s simply better at that. Whatever you may think of Vince right now, he’s not a point guard, and he hasn’t spent the last five years with this team. Jameer is and has.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 30, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

the team will continue to mesh and get better.....

think about it we are a third of the way through the season…..we have 5 new players and we have only played with our full team for a hand full of games………

chill……….it’s gonna be just fine……..

Just one man's opinion...

....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....

"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009

by hwyatt3 on Jan 3, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

jameer isnt really playing well either

you cant really blame it on VC for jameers lapses in shooting and defense

in OTIS we TRUST...

by Hbkid on Dec 31, 2009 4:24 AM EST reply actions  

It appears Jameer is still healing

Not sure what is Shards problem.

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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Shard even HAVE a "problem"?

He’s shooting 43% from the field and 41.8% from beyond the arc. Considering that takes into account his first few games, when he was trying and struggling to re-integrate himself into the offense, those numbers are just about what I’d expect from him.

He’s not getting enough looks, I’ll grant you that. But I think we all know why THAT’s happening.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

yes one of my points

Stan is still working on the proper rotation. I love what Bass and RA bring.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Dec 31, 2009 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it's not the "rotation" so much.

Shard is playing a lot of minutes — it’s just that he’s playing many of those minutes at the same time as Carter.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 31, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

carter is playing with less touches than he is used to as well..........

carter is a volume shooter……….he has to get the most touches…….it will all come together…….

i am convinced that after the all star bread it is on like donkey kong…….

Just one man's opinion...

....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....

"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009

by hwyatt3 on Jan 3, 2010 2:59 AM EST reply actions  

bread?? break........all star break........yeah that's it

Just one man's opinion...

....."running mac games as if your name was Scott Skiles".....

"mark my words...we will draft 2 corners within the first 4 picks" - 2009

by hwyatt3 on Jan 3, 2010 3:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, he's getting as many MISSES as he usually gets.

The fact is, it’s more than the number of shots Carter is getting. It’s about the number of assists he ISN’T getting, and about the fact that a lot of his shots are forced — 27-foot threes with a hand in his face, acrobatic layups tossed over multiple defenders, etc.

These are not shots that just “aren’t falling”. These are low-percentage shots. Carter will NEVER make an acceptable percentage of these.

And it’s not like Carter is taking them because the clock is running down and people are desperate. Often, he’ll take them in the middle of the shot clock, where there’s plenty of time to find an open man for a non-desperate shot. The end result is that nobody (except Carter) gets their touches, and they struggle on offense as a result, and what for? So Carter can shoot us out of games? How about Carter DOESN’T shoot us out of the game, and we have our more efficient scorers contributing more? How about that instead?

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Jan 3, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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