Boston Celtics 86, Orlando Magic 77
In a defensive struggle that only fans of the participants and basketball purists could enjoy, the Boston Celtics held on to beat the Orlando Magic, 86-77, at Amway Arena. Ray Allen led Boston with 18 points on 12 shots, while spot-starter Tony Allen filled in admirably for Paul Pierce with 16 points and 4 rebounds in 22 minutes. That's a 26.2 points per 36 minute pace, an improvement over his 14.2 career average. Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis were the game's first-and-second-leading scorers, with 27 and 19 respectively, but Orlando got very little from anyone else. Indeed, Celtics role-players Kendrick Perkins (6 points, 4 rebounds) and Rasheed Wallace (11 points, 8 rebounds) nullified Magic franchise center Dwight Howard, who missed 6 of his 7 shots and scored 5 points. To his credit, he continued to compete defensively and on the boards, with 4 blocks and 20 rebounds. The Celtics won the game on the strength of their defense, which limited Orlando to 77 points on 33.3% shooting, and 32 points in the paint on 43.7% shooting.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Celtics | 92 | 93.0 | 45.2% | 27.4 | 22.7 | 22.7 |
| Magic | 94 | 82.2 | 36.5% | 25.6 | 19.1 | 19.2 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
I've got a lot of notes/quotes from this game... but I also have dinner and family waiting. Forgive me, then, if I temporarily end this recap here. I'll update later this evening or tomorrow morning. Cool?
I'll leave you with this much, though: in terms of efficiency, Orlando played its 7th-best defensive game of the year; in effective field goal percentage defense, their 9th-best; and in turnover rate forced, their very best. Yet the Celtics still managed to walk out with a win on the strength of their own otherworldly defense. Boston held the Magic to 8 points in the second quarter and 27 in the first half, both franchise record lows. And the Magic finished with a franchise record-low 7 assists, which partially explains why coach Stan Van Gundy lamented his team's lack of ball movement.
UPDATE: So here we go with more.
Van Gundy blamed himself for failing to devise an offense that can score against the Celtics, and specifically for not getting Howard enough good looks. Thing is, I'm not sure what else he's supposed to do. The only Boston defender against whom Howard had any success was Shelden Williams... and he scored once in the 4 times he went against him. Twice he managed to back him nearly under the rim, then spun and elevated for a dunk. He missed the first dunk and made the second for his only field goal of the game. The first time he went at Williams, he again backed him well enough into the lane, then missed an open layup. That, to me, was okay; to that point, it was the best shot he had all night, and I wrote, "That will be there" in my notes.
Well, not if Williams doesn't play. He logged 6 minutes in this game, all in the first half. From there, the Celtics gave Howard a steady dose of Perkins and Wallace. Perhaps the most telling stand either player made against Howard was when Perkins bodied him up on the right block in the first half. Howard managed to bang Perkins closer to the hoop than normal, but then he scampered across the lane to the left that he lofted his lefty hook attempt completely over the rim, resulting in an airball.
The problems Wallace presents are more mental than physical, I believe. I'm not sure how else to explain Howard's losing the ball the first time he attempted to go at Wallace, without Wallace really doing anything. And the next time against him, Howard travelled.
Orlando tried to free Howard up by running screens for him off the ball, hoping to get him an extra second or so when he catches the ball. There's only so much a Carter screen can do against Wallace, though.
Thus, it was through Carter that Van Gundy ran his offense in the second half, and Carter delivered. The Magic ran the same left pick-and-roll with Carter and Howard in the second half, with Carter going left around Howard's screen, dribbling right to Howard's man--sharply showing on the play--with his left hand, before quickly crossing over to his right hand and getting to the rim for a dunk or layup. Even if Perkins or Wallace saw it coming, they had no chance to stop it; in no way is either player quick enough to beat a Carter crossover dribble. Watching this play work well against the Celtics' airtight defense made me wonder where it was in the first half.
As well as Carter played overall, he did make some questionable decisions in the first half, especially when matched up against the unathletic Brian Scalabrine. I have a healthy respect for guys like Scalabrine who manage to stay in the NBA with their brain. No, really. But even against Scal at his most cerebral, Carter should be able to get to the net. Instead, he shot jumper after jumper over the Celtics' slowest player, the wing player least capable of defending him on the entire Boston team. All 3 of Carter's first-half field goals were jumpers set up after driving around a screen to the right, then pulling up. One of them, by my unofficial count, came against Scalabrine, whom he didn't once challenge with a drive to the basket, if memory--and my notes--serves.
The Celtics effectively took away the two most effective parts of the Magic's offense: the interior and the three-point shot. Orlando shot 16-of-37 for 32 points in the paint, and 5-of-26 for 15 points beyond the arc. While some of those three-pointers were fairly open looks, they nonetheless didn't drop. Their only hope, then, would be to score in transition. Didn't happen. The Celtics creamed the Magic in fast-break scoring, 15-5, as Orlando managed just 3 fast-break shot attempts, converting 1. Boston? 13 such attempts, converting on 7. Referring to the Celtics' 18-2 run to end the first half, Van Gundy said, "When you dig yourself that big a hole you've got to be perfect on both ends and we just weren't." That sentiment ties in nicely with the stats just presented, as Orlando just wasn't able to convert on either end even after clawing its way back in.
Boston proved today that its defense is exceptional, especially against the Magic. And Van Gundy said that his team has a "pretty consistent problem with our offense against them and that is that we just do not sustain good offensive play throughout the game." Consistency is an issue, and Van Gundy will look to address it. So while the Celtics evened the season series at one win apiece--only 4 points separate the two teams head-to-head--and played lockdown D in doing so, I'm not quite ready to punch their ticket to the NBA Finals, as Tim Povtak did.
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Did they start going inside out in the 2nd Half? Dwight was mostly ignored in the first and i turned it to something else.
by Kennedy K on Dec 25, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just worried that Dwight is gonna become a talker Ben Wallace..
He really doesn’t have an offensive game right now..
by i2ambler on Dec 25, 2009 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Perkins is just one of the few players in the NBA that can effectively guard Howard one-on-one. To say Dwight is going to become a taller Ben Wallace is a complete insult to him and an inaccurate statement.
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by erivera7 on Dec 25, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
if you watch closely to those one-on-one with perk and d-12 you’ll see what perkings admitted he does on an interview. he puts his hands on the back of d-12 all the time and the refs don’t do jack about it!! and that is pure BS right there. if you think I’m wrong go watch the game again.
by chess_gd on Dec 26, 2009 5:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to say you're wrong.
Via the rulebook:
Hand Checking: A defender may not place and keep his hand on an opponent unless he is in the area near the basket with his back to the basket.
What Perkins is doing is legal.
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by erivera7 on Dec 26, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he does keep the hand on Dwight while in the air. i'd say that's ilegal
2nd quarter 5:20, 2:25, 1:59 (perk shoves elbow into Dwight)
Dwight gets away with some calls too, but that’s not really as often as other players who guard him
by chess_gd on Dec 26, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The referees aren't going to call everything.
You’re nit-picking, at this point.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the whole game, Boston did an excellent job denying Howard the ball
Only 7 field goals attempted by Howard, with 4 free throw attempts, along with 7 turnovers and 1 assist.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 25, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
d12
Needs to a better job establishing position. He has to learn you cant just run to a spot and expect that the ball, be creative.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Magic shot a horrific 4 of 22 in the second quarter
…and missed 15 of their final 16 shots of the quarter.
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by Mike from Illinois on Dec 25, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
These two teams go at each other defensively and it’s fun to watch. If the Magic want to beat this gang on these terms, they’re gonna have to figure out how to score 90 points.
When these 2 teams play, it’s a cat-fight. The defense is incredible on both sides. It’s gonna be the offense that creeps up just enough that will earn the win.
by MagicPhan on Dec 25, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Orlando just needs to find a way to execute its offense consistently against Boston.
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by erivera7 on Dec 25, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I was impressed, for the most part, by Magic’s defense. They had alot of trouble with their offense and I think they’ve been lacking good ball movement the last week or so of games. Hopefully as Jameer gets back into form, he can kick the Magic into better offense.
by derekk on Dec 26, 2009 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
VC is going to have to drive and create, obviously Meer isn’t going to do it, and D12 shutters at the sight of Perkins. Shard is a dependent player.. More Ryan Anderson and Bass.. The usual suspects are playing suspect.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Quarter was the worst ive seen from them...
by Kennedy K on Dec 25, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to credit Boston for playing some of the best defense I've ever seen from a team.
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by erivera7 on Dec 25, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WE missed a lot of wide open looks.
We started to press. It appeared no one wanted to drive the ball and D12 still can’t give Perkins a double move, and score or get to the foul lline
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Magic started to press because the Celtics forced them to.
Orlando settled for jumpshots and that played right into Boston’s hands.
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by erivera7 on Dec 26, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactoy
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
SVG tends to adjust to others oppose to making them adjust to us.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Boston is an elite team. That happens sometimes.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was upset but we,ll get,em next time.
these games really don,t matter.its the last 20 or so i care about.and of course the playoffs.
by magicman775 on Dec 25, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's one loss. Not a big deal.
Orlando has proven it can beat Boston this year.
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by erivera7 on Dec 25, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a big deal.
If you stars don’t shine, that is a big deal, not the end of the world, but it is a big deal.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a big deal, not when the Magic have already beaten the Celtics at full-strength.
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by erivera7 on Dec 26, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree.
Seems like coaching 101. Find a way to get your best player the ball so he can be effective.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with svg when he says he has to do a better job on offense.esp with dwight BUT
what can stan do when your best player has 2 moves dunk or a little hook what can you draw up(dwight backing perkins down he turns it over almost as much as he dunks it).dwight is the man and the best center in the nba.but he is limited on offense to say the leased. stan has a real issue here but only a hand full of players can play dwight like that.to bad for us its the teams we have to go through for a title.
by magicman775 on Dec 26, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this would have been a different story had our jumpers fell
we have one of the deepest benches and usually when our bench comes into the game the intensity increases, but this wasn’t the case last night, they were very flat. JJ didnt play well and either did anyone else but Barnes. Im not to upset with this loss because more than anything i saw a Celtic team that played dominate on defense but at the same time we could have come away with victory had we played anywhere close to our offense is capable of. they forced us to take jumpers but we are a jump shooting team and our defense was very well to. I feel even had shard played well in the first half we could have won easy. The reason why i say we should have played Bass is because they were shutting howard down inside so we needed another inside threat. This would have opened things up for Howard and at the same time Anderson wasn’t playing all that well.
by Vanek on Dec 26, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand how putting another big guy down low would open things up for Howard
If anything, it makes him easier to double since the second defender is closer. But Boston doesn’t double anyway.
by Ben Q Rock on Dec 27, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bass has a solid Mid range jumper
He isn’t afraid to pull the trigger either. Interested in what he could have done in that game.
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by Wmillion on Dec 27, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the third time, Brandon wouldn't have made a difference.
It would have made things more difficult for the Magic to operate on offense. I’ve already covered this before but when Bass is in the game at power forward, Orlando has difficulties scoring. Why exacerbate the problem? It makes no sense to make it that much easier for the Celtics to defend the Magic. If Brandon was in the game for extended periods of time, I’d be shocked if Orlando had scored 70 points.
Anderson wasn’t playing that well? Aside from Barnes, he was the only bench player for Orlando that scored. You’re criticizing the wrong player, in my opinion.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was upset with the loss
but overall i am pleased because i saw Carter out there busting his butt and becoming the offensive threat we needed from him. WE lost because our shots werent falling which normally do and everyone had a below average shooting game which could have been a far different outcome of these shots were falling. I am happy with Carters play and i feel like this is a big improvement to our game overall.
by Vanek on Dec 25, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Vince played well and tried to help the team win.
No complaints about Carter’s performance, whatsoever.
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by erivera7 on Dec 25, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perkins owns Howard.
Howard can’t muscle him around like other centers. If he refuses to incorporate some kind of pump fake or up and under move, he will continue to be his bitch. Nothing has changed since the playoffs, and now you throw in Rasheed to guard him. They both play physical and get away with fouls by bumping him when he posts up, but Howard has to do something to try and counter that if the refs aren’t gonna call it.
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by AB's triple double on Dec 25, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's the reason why the Celtics concern me more than the Cavaliers.
Boston has the bodies to slow down Dwight. That’s why it’s imperative that Jameer, Vince, Rashard, and the bench have to step up its production to compensate. Likewise, Orlando needs to run a lot more pick & rolls for Howard so that his athleticism and speed can be utilized against Perkins (and Wallace, too).
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by erivera7 on Dec 25, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
P n R
For Howard doesn’t work well. Howard needs more than a running hook shot.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Perkins DID own Howard
Right up until he made some unfortunate postgame comments. All Howard said in response was, “That’s fine”. He’s holding it in. But it’s gonna come out on January 28.
If I were Perkins, I’d worry about the next game. We’ll see who owns who.
by MagicPhan on Dec 26, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow vince
our pgs need to step up though
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by Hbkid on Dec 25, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah meer failed on some open looks :-s
by chess_gd on Dec 26, 2009 5:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have noticed
When Meer gets worked on D, his O struggles. Exact opposite of what needs to happen.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo is a tough matchup for Jameer
by CaliFlorida on Dec 26, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo is a tough matchup for a lot of players.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Jameer can hit his open shots again, it'll be different.
by slickw143 on Dec 27, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His defense needs to pick up too. He's consistently getting killed with blow bys from opposing pg's.
by CaliFlorida on Dec 27, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Nelson's defense has regressed this year.
Which has been a problem, though there’s time for improvement.
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by erivera7 on Dec 28, 2009 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lets wait for meer to get back
barnes played hard though… but we need an sf who is athletic enough to dunk inside and shoot treys. like batum. we should trade bass coz there are situations that we need a big man like him on the pf but sometimes SVG dont utilize him. hope otis makes a trade for batum or gay
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by Hbkid on Dec 26, 2009 6:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
we should have played bass yesterday and moved lewis to the three,
we needed that extra big body in there to help. If we got t-mac our team would be unstoppable, Trade Gortat for t-mac. Think about this starting five: Meer, VC, T-Mac. Lewis and D-12, and with our bench that will be unstoppable
by Vanek on Dec 26, 2009 8:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tmac’s contract is too high for a trade. He has to buyout or we wait till after the season when his contract is done.
by derekk on Dec 26, 2009 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
TMac stinks..
We have big bodies chilling on the bench.. More RA and Bass..
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those aren't good ideas.
Like I said, Brandon wouldn’t have made much of a difference in yesterday’s game and acquiring McGrady, who’s 30 and injury-proned wouldn’t necessarily make the Magic better. Not when Tracy has to dominate the ball to maximize his effectiveness as a player. A starting lineup isn’t always about starting the five best players on the team, but it’s about the players that co-exist with each other with the most effectiveness.
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by erivera7 on Dec 26, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree we will never know what bass could have brought.
he did not play.so we will never know. he" could" have made a difference with a few stops and might have got some rebounds.did we not sign bass for just these type of games. stan needs to use bass before we get to far into the season.imo
by magicman775 on Dec 26, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll never know but I have a good idea of what could have happened.
Read what I stated above.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it would be an interesting thought
but it cant happen.
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by Hbkid on Dec 26, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about this loss
Do you ever come away from a loss feeling like you just saw something that you really needed to see? That’s my take, in this case. This is a lesson best learned during the regular season, so that they don’t walk into an ambush come playoff time.
by MagicPhan on Dec 26, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Magic have had a very, very poor ten game stretch. They look a lot weaker than than they did a month ago.
They face a lot of hurdles. I feel that Vince’s shooting will go back toward an equilibrium around 44%, but there are other issues that might not just “get better with time.”
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by ben_gleicher on Dec 26, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I couldn’t agree more.
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by Wmillion on Dec 26, 2009 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think the "very, very poor" assessment is a bit strong.
We had two bad games, the loss to Utah (where that was more of just a bad second half) and the loss to Miami. We lost a close game in Phoenix and a close game to Boston (down 3 with less than a minute left). Yes, the defense was looking lackluster a few weeks back, but that’s been shored up very nicely lately (with the exception being that Miami game). Now, the Magic are just going through an offensive drought, missing a lot of shots they would otherwise make, but also forcing a lot of shots they shouldn’t take. The turnover rate being high is the only constant factor lately.
Dwight going 1-7 is not the norm, the Magic going 5-26 from 3’s is not the norm (a lot of those attempts in the second half were good, open 3’s too, just didn’t fall), and JJ, Jameer and J-Will going a combined 3-18 from the floor is not the norm. There’s no need to freak out about a sub-par game against an extremely good team in just the 3rd game of the year with our normal starting line-up.
by slickw143 on Dec 27, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not freaking out over one game.
I’m alarmed at Dwight’s decreasing scoring rate and sky high turnover rate. His scoring rate is down 18% and his turnover rate is up 30%. He keeps asking Stan to give him the ball more, but the fact is he turns the ball over 18.4% of the time or goes to the line and shoots one of the worst percentages in the league. He has to be better on offense, bottomline.
Injuries aside, Jameer Nelson’s shooting has plummeted further than we thought it would. Last year it was 50% from the field, 45% from three, and 88% from the line. This season? 42% from the field, 38% from three, and 80% from the line. His PER is below the league average, down OVER SIX from last season. Defensively he’s been a liability, to say the least. He is routinely torched by opposing point guards and is not matching their production.
Shooting woes continue for our “shooters,” with Vince and Rashard averaging career low percentages. Matt Barnes can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. Pietrus has days where he looks like Reggie Miller and days where he looks like Ben Wallace.
Most importantly, however, the intensity isn’t always there. They let inferior teams hang around, they don’t always bring 100%, and they rarely “blowout” a bad team. This doesn’t happen with the Celtics and Hawks, who are playing the best basketball in the NBA right now.
I’m not saying that the Magic are doomed, I’m saying they have to pick up their play. Collectively they need to be more focused. They have to make the necessary adjustments.
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by ben_gleicher on Dec 27, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everything you said was right.
But the Magic are still 22-8, with all of the injuries, 5 new players, and inconsistency from the players who are playing. I’m pretty happy with that. Obviously things can always be better, but last year the Celtics started out 27-2, and where did that get them? I’d rather guys go through shooting slumps and injuries earlier in the season.
The only thing I’m worried about is Dwight’s offensive ineffectiveness, but now that he’s not letting that hurt his defensive intensity I’m not even all that worried about that. I was much more upset when he was letting his lack of touches affect his aggressiveness on the other end of the court. The lack of effort sometimes is certainly maddening, but these are games in November and December; they understand it’s a marathon, not a sprint. Hopefully, at least.
by slickw143 on Dec 27, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about how you start, it's about how you finish.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you on that
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by Hbkid on Dec 27, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We need leadership on the floor
I am beginning (sadly) to think that Howard will never develop into a leader and Nelson is questionable in that regard – although he tries. I don’t think Lewis or Carter have what it takes either.
SVG can’t coach the way he really wants to because the players are a little sensitive (what b_llsh_t) – so whats the answer?
Yes the record is good but I think the Celtics and (in the past Detroit) have shown how to beat the Magic with strong, relentless & physical defense and unless we trade for a true (Chauncy Billups/Kevin Garnett/Kobe) type leader we will not win the championship no matter how deep and talented we are.
There have been too many “statement” games on national TV already this season that we have lost – I don’t think with the present roster that we can somehow develop the killer mentality that we will need come playoff time.
Otis needs to engineer a trade very soon to address this problem imo.
by Jaxfann on Dec 27, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you're overreacting.
The Magic have already proven it can beat the Celtics at full-strength on the road.
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by erivera7 on Dec 27, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Naaaah (slap, slap)
We don’t get to see where the real leadership happens. It happens in the locker room. When it comes to chemistry, no two combinations are ever the same, so you can’t look at any other team in NBA history and compare their chemistry to Orlando’s. Jameer is the “swagger” of the Magic. He doesn’t have his legs, yet, so give it time. With Howard, you’ve got a team led by a natural comedian. People led by comedians are always happy. They never hate to go to work.
This team is just fine. They will go as far as their talent can take them this year. Next year, things will change. That’s when Otis will make the “real” changes that he promised before this season began.
Be patient. If we get it all this year, great. If we don’t, then next year will be even more fun.
by MagicPhan on Dec 27, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I mean
we are lead by a “swaggerer” and a comedian.
Give me a dedicated professional with a “win at all cost” attitude who leads by example EVERY game and will not accept half hearted effort from his teammates – tough to find but they do exist.
by Jaxfann on Dec 28, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stan Van Gundy is that guy
And I think you’re underselling Jameer’s leadership a bit.
by Ben Q Rock on Dec 28, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Celtics just lost back-to-back games...
Against the Clippers and the Warriors. I’m sure the season is in jeopardy for those guys.
Losses happen.
by slickw143 on Dec 29, 2009 7:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

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