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Tonight's Game: Toronto Raptors at Orlando Magic

Toronto Raptors at Orlando Magic, Dec 16, 2009 7:00 PM EST


2009/2010 NBA Season
Toronto Raptors main logo
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Orlando Magic main logo
11-1618-6
December 16th, 2009
Amway Arena
7:30 PM
Sun Sports
Probable starters:
Jarrett Jack PG Jason Williams
DeMar DeRozan SG Vince Carter
Hedo Turkoglu SF Mickael Pietrus
Chris Bosh PF Rashard Lewis
Andrea Bargnani C Dwight Howard
Previous Meetings
November 1st: Magic 125, Raptors 116
November 22nd: Magic 104, Raptors 96
Game Officials
Scott Foster
Kevin Fehr
John Goble

The Orlando Magic will try to ensure a season-series win against the Toronto Raptors tonight at Amway Arena. Toronto, the league's least-efficient defensive teams, suffered a 20-point defeat in Miami last night after allowing 52 points in the paint. And in two prior meetings with Orlando this year, the Raptors yielded an average of 13 three-pointers, so they're vulnerable from the outside as well. The trick with Toronto is, as always, slowing its potent offense. Chris Bosh is a perennial All-Star, and deservedly so, and yet he always manages to look even better against the Magic and his good friend Dwight Howard.

Speaking of good friends, Hedo Turkoglu, who spent the last 5 seasons with the Magic, will return to Orlando for the first time since GM Otis Smith facilitated a sign-and-trade deal to give him the long-term contract he desired. This comment from Smith, which appeared in this morning's Orlando Sentinel, caught my eye:

"I'm a Turk fan, but our mission and goal is to win a championship."

Hm.

Turk's had a decent year in Toronto, averaging 14 points and 4 assists on stellar shooting percentages (51.4 eFG%, 56.5 TS%). Yet the Raptors have not kept him in the playmaking role in which he flourished in Orlando over the last 2 seasons, as his usage rate is at its lowest level since the 2003/04 season. The decreased usage has made him a more efficient player, but it's also made him almost a standstill shooter.

The game tips at 7. Wish I could be there to hear Hedo's ovation and what figures to be an entertaining game.

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Turk took us to a certain level...

When the Bucs got rid of Dungy, the Glazers were not too-well liked in Central Florida. Dungy took us as far as he could, we just needed a “bump” to get over the top. The Bucs won a Super Bowl the very next year with Gruden. The Lakers got Gasol and won last year. Perhaps our new faces are just the bit we need to get the big one.

by mike in munich on Dec 16, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions  

Talk about your backhanded compliments.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

Loved Turk

but I agree with Otis that we needed something better. Turk is a better passer than Carter, probably about even in rebounding, but Carter is just a better scorer. And having Carter for 2 years at 32 milion is better than having Turk for 5 years and 53 mill.

But I do miss the 4th qtr takeovers, his lob passes to Dwight, his height advantage,and his flailing arms going everywhere just to draw a foul.

"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.

"Dwight Howard couldn't score 40 points in a game if he was going against Yi Jianlian's chair." Bill Simmons chat 5/20

"I don't feel this team can beat us four times," Mo Williams 5/21

by L Magico on Dec 16, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Magic are 11 point favorites

…with an over/under of 207 1/2.

I hope Turk gets a nice ovation from the crowd.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Lewis with 6 pts early to lead the Magic

…with 2 three pointers. Bosh with 7 pts for Toronto.

Magic shooting 6 of 10 overall, Raptors 6 of 11.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

Dwight smashed the hell out of that ball.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Raptors really like that mid-range jumper.

There is no reason for anyone to like mid-range jumpers that much.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

Was actually talking bout Bargnani...

…yeah, he’s been making them, but they should be threes.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Magic very efficient offensively so far

…24 points on 15 shots.

Every starter has scored, and 4 of the 5 starters have at least 5 points.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions  

J-Will is in the game

Welcome back Whit Eboy!

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

Dwight brought the ball down on THAT move.

Could be the cleanest alley-oop I’ve ever seen.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Ryan's due for a big game.

And given that Bargnani couldn’t even stick on Shard, the Raptors may be the team to let him have one.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like Toronto's crappiness on D wasn't exaggerated.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

35 first quarter Magic points on 70% shooting

Williams and Lewis with 8 pts, Carter and D12 with 7 pts.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

Stat man

has spoken.

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He knows all and sees all.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's appreciated, at least by me.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks...

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptors with 26 points on 42% shooting

Bargnani with 8 pts, Bosh with 7 pts.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Do you remember the offseason?

The list of backup point guards we had to sign. Now, granted, we got a good one in J-Will, but the fact remains: a LOT of awful point guards have to play in the NBA. Banks isn’t a great scorer or a great passer, but he is a pesky defender, as we’ve seen this game.

Also, I think he’s in the last year of a long and ridiculous contract of some sort.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

This is his 5th NBA Team in 7 seasons

…according to basketball-reference.com.

He’s 28 years old, and he made $4.2 million last season. Not sure what he’s making this season.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

$4.4 million.

The Suns signed him to a 5-year, $21 million contract in summer ‘06. Then they managed to unload him… in the Marion-Shaq deal. (At least Phoenix got SOMETHING out of that debacle.) Then Banks and Marion went to Toronto for Jermaine O’Neal.

So he’s not even been the most overpaid player in either of his last two trades.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Magic 5 of 8 on threes

…but just 2 of 5 from the FT line.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Come on... Bass?

This is the Raptors. Get the scorers in there, blow ’em out.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, he's at center.

That’s okay.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptors shooting just 43%, but they've made all 8 FTs

…and they are 3 of 6 from long range.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

Great half by the Magic PGs

Williams and Johnson have combined for 16 pts on 6 of 7 FGs, 5 assists, and just 1 turnover.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

That's impressive, considering they're each about 80 years old.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Was just able to get the game on now.

Were the Magic fans booing Turk while he was shooting his last FTs? How could they ever! LOL. How was the ovation when they announced him?

Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
-noun 1. a game played by 13 members of a basketball team, five at a time, sometimes crisp, often sloppy, but always furiously.

The commenter formerly known as DSK

by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 16, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions  

Hey DSK how's it going?

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Doing well thanks, how are you?

Have you checked out the fan post yet?

Gonzo Ball
[gahn-zo-bawl]
-noun 1. a game played by 13 members of a basketball team, five at a time, sometimes crisp, often sloppy, but always furiously.

The commenter formerly known as DSK

by GonzoBallSHU on Dec 16, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep I did

…and I will check out Gonzo Ball often this college basketball season. I did check it out once already and it’s very informative and well-written.

By the way, do you still mind being called DSK even though that’s not your screen name anymore?

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Another good all-around game for Carter so far

10 pts, 3 assists, 4 rebounds.

D12 with 9 pts, 6 boards, 2 blocks.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Vince is figuring it out.

He is beginning to realize he has a lot of weapons available besides his self and reckless jump shots. He is playing like an All Star, IMHO.

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptors 12 of 12 from the FT line, and have just 2 turnovers

Which is why they’re still in the game despite 66% FG shooting from the Magic.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Hello.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

What's up? How's everyone?

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Good seeing you here E

I’m enjoying the cold Chicago weather!

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm enjoying it.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I have the flu, but otherwise ok. How's things for you?

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Busy.

Hope you feel better.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks man.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Magic are very efficient offensively so far

66 points on 35 shots.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Not surprising. It's a perfect storm.

Orlando is fifth in offensive efficiency and Toronto is the worst defensive team in the league.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Magic are outshooting Raptors 69% to 44%.

Magic are also 7 of 12 on threes and 11 of 15 from the FT line.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Orlando will cool down a little bit.

The defense will need to step up to compensate.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It was whack.

I caught the reception real quick on League Pass Broadband and I don’t know why he was booed. I mean, I get that Hedo Turkoglu didn’t leave on the best terms but still. Turk deserved an ovation.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That is disappointing

For all Turk did for the Magic in his years there, he deserved a nice ovation.

I don’t think he ever put down Orlando like Shaq did after Shaq left.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not at all.

Hedo was cheered but I heard some boos mixed in.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh OK

Good that some fans did cheer him.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Svg put it well..

If you booed for Turk, you probably aren’t a real magic fan.

by i2ambler on Dec 16, 2009 9:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Superb.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s 13 assits, and 20 rebounds?

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

It is 20 rebounds, and 13 assists.

Carter and J-Will have 4 assists each.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Alright, folks. I need to head out.

Hope Orlando can come away with a win tonight.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, take it easy.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Four Magic players in double figures already

Lewis and Howard with 11, Carter and Barnes with 10 each.

Williams and Johnson also have 8 points each.

That’s your definition of balanced scoring!

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

Lol@the announcer: "Toronto with an interesting defense"

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

He is easily amused

wouldn’t anyone put DeRossen on D12?

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

"I guess killing will have to be fun enough"-Homer J. Simpson

by Diosnomeama on Dec 16, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Magic continuing to shoot at a blistering pace

…66% from the field, 9 of 18 on threes, and 14 of 18 from the FT line.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

A rare defensive play by Toronto

the are last in the league in steals.

I think the Raptors are getting dissed by our announcers.

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

Six Magic players in double figures after three quarters

Lewis with 19, Howard with 18.

Bosh has 20 for the Raptors, Turk with 14 pts.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully the Magic can put away the Raptors early here in the fourth

…and not let them hang around too long.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

Quite a 1-2 punch off the bench from Barnes and Johnson

They’ve combined for 28 points on 10 of 12 shooting.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Rashard the only starter out there

SVG should be able to have the reserves finish this one with a 19 pt lead.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

We're going to Miami!

Let the starters rest for a while.

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Everybody in on the action for the Magic tonight

All 11 players who have seen action have scored.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

A 19 point Magic win

Magic shoot 57% from the field, 14 of 30 (47%) on threes, and 78% from the FT line.

Lewis with 21, Barnes with 20 to lead the Magic.

I believe this is a season-high for Barnes.

Raptors shoot 44%, with Bosh scoring 20 pts, and Turk 14 pts.

"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"

by Mike from Illinois on Dec 16, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

Orlando won every quarter tonight

including the 3rd by 1.

by NC Magic Fan on Dec 16, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

Good game, good game.

Everyone played well — except maybe Pietrus, but he’s got an excuse. Obviously Toronto is a team with problems, but it’s still nice to see the Magic look so sharp.

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions  

But they couldn't have at least brought in Foyle?

Like, even for a minute? We want Foyle!

It's a good thing Larry Bird's initials weren't MJ. '80s basketball was confusing enough -- Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marles Jarkley, Mominique Jilkins... Makeem Jolajuwon...

by 3.3seconds on Dec 16, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THAT....

THE “WHITE GUYS” ON OUR 2ND STRING HAVE THEIR OWN PRE-GAME HUDDLE DANCE? LOL! SAW THAT TONIGHT AT AMWAY….

Sorry for the CAPS =)

"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard

by magic12ball on Dec 16, 2009 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, they do that before every game.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 16, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Just got back from the game (and a little after party), and it seemed in person that everyone contributed.

However, the two that I felt were most important tonight were the two PGs, JWill and Dad! Rashard played a huge roll knocking down huge three after huge three to maintain the lead, but the PG play really dictated the flow of the game. Bosh, who usually runs rough shot on our defense was held to a quiet 20, Turk was held to just 1 pt in the 2nd half on a defensive three FT, Barngnani mustered up only 3 pts in the 2nd half and the Raptors never really stood a chance in the 2nd half. Bosh and other starters were out on the court trying to salvage some pride and respect again our 2nd and 3rd teamers. What a great night…

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Dec 17, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed the game.

I write for Third Quarter Collapse and have a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Dec 17, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions  

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