Breaking down Wade's comments about Howard/FA/etc.
by magic12ball on Nov 30, 2009 7:15 AM EST
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Print*** This thread is a re-post from my reply from/to JoeyBarz thread "Wade's Comments" ***
This thread/re-post was created out of boredom and insomnia, these were just my thoughts from this morning. It may just sound like hype and anxiousness from a Magic fan but I felt like expressing my thoughts on the situation. They have some edited/added parts that differ from the other thread that I forgot to mention.
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We’ve all read the comments but maybe we aren’t really getting what he’s saying.
1. "If I could pick one player in the league today to play with — and most people think I’d say LeBron James — I would pick Dwight Howard," said Wade.
- Thats a pretty straight to the point comment. Take out that part about LeBron and Wade is pretty much saying, "The only player I want to play with in this league is Dwight Howard". There is no way to get more straight to the point than that, Wade wants to play with Dwight.
2. "I’d love for that to happen at some point. Dwight is already close right here in Orlando. People who say it couldn’t happen (us playing on the same team), they don’t know. I’ve learned in this league that anything is possible."
- Wade says "I’d love….for that to happen". Love is a strong feeling, no homo, but he obviously feels strongly about this. "Dwight is already close right here in Orlando", this sounds like someone who already thought about this sometime in his spare time away from the media. Possibly thinking about the friends he made in MIA, I know he has 2 young sons(7yrs, 2 yrs), that may be contemplation of possible stay in the same school, keep the same childhood friends kind of deal. This could also mean that maybe he wants Dwight to move to MIA (unlikely and it won’t happen while Wade is in his prime either, Dwight is here for the next 3 seasons, Wade would be 31).The most important part of this section is "People who say it couldn’t happen (and there have already been several on this thread: http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2009/11/27/1175514/wades-commets), they don’t know". "I’ve learned in this league that anything is possible". You might think I’m crazy or I just want this so much that I am seeing beyond the words or whatever but, Wade says "anything is possible" and that sounds like someone open to any situation (trade, sign, etc) to get to play with Dwight.
3. "I’ve played with a dominant center before, and there’s nothing like it. It changes the whole game. It’s why I’d LOVE to play with Dwight. He’s a phenomenal center who has only just scratched the surface of where he’ll be,’’ Wade said. "And he’s the type of guy you’d really like to be around."
- Another straight to the point comment. He acknowledges his accomplishments and advantages on the court with Shaq back in MIA and he says "LOVE" yet again about the chance to play with Dwight Howard, just like any player in the league would say minus LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal, Mo Williams, etc….
4. "I said from Day One that I wanted to be in Miami, that maybe I could get certain players to come to Miami, but at the same time, this is my only chance at free agency,’’ Wade said. "There are a lot of possibilities out there. And nothing is impossible."
- Lastly, Wade says "that maybe I could get certain players to come to Miami". This may be him reflecting on this past summer's failure for the Heat to acquire Carlos Boozer and Lamar Odom whom Wade tried to convince to play in MIA amongst other possible FA from this past summer. Wade continues by say that this may be his only chance in FA meaning that if he re-signs with MIA, he’s probably stuck there until the end of his career (unless his next contract ends in 5/6 years and he decides to "Starbury-it" to a championship team for one last hurrah), this kinda sounds like Wade thinking that his job in MIA is possibly done (Championship in 06,team scoring records, Finals MVP, #2 pick in the draft, etc) and would like to play in another city and that he wants to win now while he can. MIA obviously has pieces to contend and yes, they have money to sign Wade and bring in another star player to piece beside him next season (Stoudemire, Bosh, Johnson, etc) but at the end of the day, would Wade/Stoudemire, Wade/Bosh be enough to put MIA over the hump? None of those 3 mentioned have gotten to the Finals and with O’Neal, Haslem, Richardson, Arroyo and Magloire (being key players in MIA ) coming off the books, would MIA really have a team to put around Wade to truly contend in the next 3-5 seasons?
Plus, the SVG factor don't forget that he was Wade's first NBA coach...and the new arena...and the possible black alternate uniform for next season...Stuff...The best fans in the NBA....The best basketball site for the Magic EVER...etc.
Like Wade says yet again, "nothing is impossible."
I don't really know what Otis is willing to give up to acquire Wade (and hopefully you all help me here with that) but this is what MIA and ORL may look like if the deal happens or not (and if MIA keeps Jermaine after next season).
Chalmers/Wade/Beasley/Stoudemire/O’Neal – Best case scenario for MIA
Nelson/Wade/Pietrus/Lewis/Howard – Possibly ORLs line-up with Wade (Carter, Gortat, fillers, picks to MIA)
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People are reading too much into that comment
While Im sure Wade would love to play with a legit 2nd superstar and a big fella at that (pause?), I dont think he would just go crosstown. I dont think his comment bares or shows any desire for him to come to Orlando. I dont even think its possible with the cap space and trade logistics needed to pull something off like this. I dont see Miami giving their franchise player up in a sign and trade to a contender in there same conference, even if he strong armed them into it.
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
It's possible with the trade logistics but considering it's Miami, it's highly doubtful a move happens.
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I'm the only person on earth who thinks this but...
I am not sure I would want my team to sign Wade to a long term deal. His style of play does not transfer well long term and if he changed his style he would not be that great. He is injury prone, because of his attacking no holds barred style (which is fun to watch, admittedly). While he has numerous dimensions to his game, they are all based on speed and athleticism (steals/speed, driving/speed, passing/driving therefore speed, blocks/athleticism, and so on). He has not cultivated a consistent outside shot. The long term combination of injury prone and a game that won’t translate with age is a tough combination. He is GREAT now, not denying that, but I question what the future holds. As for the magic, their future and the future of their core should hold up well (except carter). Lewis, Anderson, Dwight, Jameer (if injuries are flukes), Marcin, JJ (if they resign), Pietrus, even Bass are all guys whose games should translate well to the future. I wouldn’t want to lose the future for one or two good years, personally. Now if Wade wants to sign for the minimum to win some more titles..
Sometimes I watch him and as thrilling it is to watch
Lately sometimes I watch him and am like “you know this guy is essientally Allen Iverson with 6 inches more and a few more pounds” (Pause nh). I guess he would be willing to play on a team with support, he sorta had it before things went pear shaped back in 2007-2008, but it would be interesting to see how he would adjust with having support and not needing to be the 1st option always.
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
by Wasabi Steak on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think one can consider Dwyane injury-proned anymore.
I think Wade has fine-tuned his body to the point where he’s able to play the way he wants to play. Remember, Dwyane has all the leverage – he’s an unrestricted free agent, which means that the Miami Heat will have to acquiesce to his demands on way or the other. If Wade tells Pat Riley, adamantly, that he’s leaving and wants to play with the Orlando Magic, he has all the power to do so. In this case, one would better believe Otis Smith would furiously package a deal centering around Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, picks, and more to make something work for both parties. Speaking hypothetically, the Magic’s core wouldn’t be jeopardized in this scenario. I know that Otis won’t stop until he builds a dynasty in Orlando and what better way to do that then by acquiring a top-five talent in the NBA. This is all highly unlikely but imagine how beneficial it would be for Wade to play with such a talented team? I think it’d galvanize him even more.
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Im with you all the way on this one E, you hit on several critical points.
to be frank , it’s Wade’s way at the end of the day, if he wants Orlando, he’ll be in Orlando no matter what MIA says.
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
I agree with both of you. I think the whole theory hinges on two big things. That MIA has a summer makeover not to Wade’s liking, and that Wade is fully prepared to walk to another team with the max contract offer. There’s quite a few teams that can make max or near max offers out there, and the core of NJ is being slept on imo, and if NY gets LBJ or other star.. MIA and Wade know the S/T must be done and that Orlando has to be it.
Should be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Not quite
Miami have to agree to a sign and trade. They could just tell him to eff off, use their newfound cap space to sign some decent free agents, or tank for another high draft pick.
To be honest, knowing that there’s absolutely no way the Magic could sign him as a free agent, I’d certainly have to be pretty sure of myself before I made my state and divisional rival into a long term dynasty. What’s the point of getting Carter and Gortat and crap for Wade when you’re never going to be able to translate that into a division or conference title? Better to let Wade go elsewhere, and concentrate on getting the pieces to challenge the weaker Magic lineup in the draft and free agency.
If I’m Miami, there’s absolutely no way I go near a sign and trade of Wade to Orlando. Not for anyone but Howard.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 2, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Miami will get absolutely nothing for Wade if he walks. Wade leaves an option for S/T to Orlando before he walks so Miami has something out of it if they want. Miami doesn’t have to complete a deal until it has already spent its summer money too.
I'd rather get nothing
Than make my closet rival unbeatable.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 7, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
They’re saying LA is in it’s three-peat pattern. That LBJ will eventually get a decent supporting cast and reel off some titles. That Boston is still good for 1-2 more titles. Is they’re really ever a true unbeatable out there? Would Wade-Dwight clearly go over the top of all the other contenders? I mean, I already think the Magic are going to win the title, but the reasoning for Wade-Dwight would still get outmatched by other contenders in other experts’ mind. Shaq-Wade is a better duo offensively too..
I don't mean over the other contenders
I just mean in our division. Miami aren’t winning a division title until Wade’s 35 if they trade him to us, barring injury or Orlando falling into a sinkhole.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 12, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
This was worth reading for this alone:
“Love is a strong feeling, no homo, but he obviously feels strongly about this.”
hahahahaha
lol thanks dude..
I try…I try…haha
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by magic12ball on Nov 30, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
great post
Like i said from jumpstreet, i think wade is an unlikely senario, but as stated possible. It would be foolish not to explore the possibility, yet im not willing to hold my breathe. As E says, dwyane is holding the cards in this senario, and will ultimately be his call..
Glad that the grapevine is whispering though…
magic12ball, great post, thanks for taking your time examining my post!
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Thanks bro
I didn’t mean to take anything away from your post either, I just wanted to let everyone know that. You wrote the original article and this thread was just my thoughts on the situation.
Howard/Wade 2010!!!!
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
Aside from DH
Every other Magic player would be expendable if it meant getting Dwayne Wade
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
I love Wade, but...
Wouldn’t he throw off the offensive scheme a little bit? I never thought of him as much of a three point shooter myself. I haven’t checked the numbers though
I think Stan would be MORE than willing to make it work.
He’s not much of a three-point threat but even I would make an exception.
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SVG's worked with Wade before. And I don't think any coach would ever tell his GM, "you know what? Let's pass on Dwyane Wade. He's not good for us."
When your GM can get you lemons, you make lemonade, even if you’d rather have peach tea.
Or something.
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by Evan Dunlap on Dec 1, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO at the analogy.
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I tried, man.
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Peach Tea?
Otis will 100% inquire about Dwyane this summer. Dwight will no doubt recruit as hard as possible. Otis intentionally stock-piled trade assets, it is just a matter of pressuring Miami enough to do it.
Other potential targets
Wade is the dream here. But we shouldn’t sleep on some other star players who could be traded to Orlando. Joe Johnson and Kevin Martin would be excellent adds to Orlando. Johnson is a FA, falling under the same scenarios of Wade coming to Orlando (some say it is more likely Joe leaves than Wade too) and also a lot of people out there speculating Martin could be traded and what better place than Orlando for some nice assets like Gortat, Bass, or JJ who could break out in Martin’s place for a team already playing well without Kevin right now.
Johnson and Wade would be the most likely targets for Otis.
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Wade 1st tier
Johnson 2nd tier
Kevin Martin 3rd tier
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Martin is better than Johnson.
Kevin is a terrible defender, but he’s far superior on offense.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
From what I know of the two.
Yea, I don’t think I can say too much about either one yet (I’ll start watching them more on LPBB) but I imagine Martin better on offense while Johnson can actually defend pretty well and be much more consistent and injury free than Martin.
Johnson sounds like a Otis Smith kind of target imo, just again a matter of whether Johnson will be available for S/T in the summer. He’s 28 too so he’s got plenty of seasons left as opposed to VC and his mediocre defense (improving tho!) and age 32-33. Joe is a really good assists/pure point rating player and Im imagining can create shots for others and be an excellent PnR initiator, he’d actually look more like Turkoglu’s role but better everywhere while VC uses PnR’s right now for mostly scoring still.
I think fellow 3QC reader Pookey knows a ton about Martin as she’s a huge Kings fan. I don’t think Martin has the assist ratio one would like but he’s like Kobe man. He can explode on offense and score easily. He gets to the FT line a ton too, which is great. Injury and defense would be concerns here. He’s deftly better on offense than Johnson tho, just don’t know if he’s worth it in all the other areas compared to Johnson. I really think Johnson is a better fit but Martin could still be slightly better overall than Johnson too. They’re both Tier 2 after Tier 1 Wade.
You just contradicted yourself there buddy
The Magic’s system demands for its players to defend. Why would Otis value a single faceted player like Martin over an ALL Star that can do play both sides of the ball.
The point on whether Martin is a better offensive player is questionable in that 1. He plays on a bad team and is granted extreme liberties in shot selection 2. He is always injured so his body obviously cant take the NBA beating. Johnson on the other hand has played 8 seasons and played a whopping 640 games. Which means he’s only missed 16 games in his entire career. Martin on the other hand played 5 Nba season and missed a whopping 96 games to injury.
Care to rescind your statement on who is the better player?
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 3, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
No.
For his career, Kevin has been – by far – the more efficient offensive player than Joe. Again, his defense isn’t that good but overall, Martin is a teeny bit better than Johnson. Your point about Kevin being injury-proned is valid and worth mentioning, but I’m just comparing the two players. Just because Joe Johnson was named an All-Star doesn’t mean he deserved to be one (he’s never deserved the honor). If you look at Kevin Martin’s numbers, he’s deserved to be an All-Star for a while now but plays in the Western Conference and on a bad team. In the end, it’s about fit.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Exactly
Martin’s lack of rebounding and defense makes him a bad fit for Orlando. If we wanted Kevin Martin we should have signed Von Wafer this past offseason. They are the exact same guy. Jack up the shot at all costs and take it easy on defense so you have more energy on offense. Granted Martin may have a better stroke than Johnson but he is NOT the better player.
I LOL at Martin’s assist stat line.. guy does not pass
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 3, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not talking about how either player fits with the Magic.
Not once did I mention that in any of my previous comments.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Really?
If you look at Kevin Martin’s numbers, he’s deserved to be an All-Star for a while now but plays in the Western Conference and on a bad team. In the end, it’s about fit.
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I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 4, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
I'm speaking in general.
I never included the Magic in that sentence.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I love Kevin Martin talks from other fans
Besides Kings fan who want to trade him because he’s “soft” and can’t play defense. Kevin Martin CAN play defense, but that isn’t his reputation of course.
On the other hand, he’s a great shooter who can get to the FT line which leads to great marks in TS%. I love me some Speed, this is true, but there isn’t anybody not named Dwight Howard that I would want the Kings to acquire for Kevin Martin.
Sorry to burst your bubbles here.
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That the Magic could offer in a trade^
Sorry, but that’s the truth.
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Wade is my favorite player in the league.
I’d love to see this happen, but I’m not holding my breath. Also, to the people who say “There’s no way Miami would trade him here”, well, I would think that if Pat Riley was faced with either letting Wade walk for nothing, or trading him to Orlando for something… I imagine he would do what’s better for the franchise and make the trade.
It’s just a matter of whether Wade would really be willing to make the Magic his clear-cut #1 option for next year.
It's possible, but people need to be clear that Dwyane has to be adamant with his demand.
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I'd still let him go, as Miami
Let him go to one of the crap teams with space. Don’t make a division rival unbeatable.
If it wasn’t for the division thing I could vaguely see it, but I just don’t see Miami trading him to us. They’d rather get nothing and see him go somewhere a long way away.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Most of the teams are in the East with that kind of cap space and attraction I think. But yea, I can kinda see your point. But if it’s a team that already has a star signed (LBJ, Bosh) and can offer Wade a near max or max, then that team could theoretically be just as unbeatable. Not too mention this is the NBA, where some odd regular casts turn into title contenders and some star studded ones don’t so this point is just as debatable. Like I personally think NJ is a star and solid PF away from title contending already (by the way, lightbulb idea, Brandon Bass for CLee. Done). And if NY already has a star and/or retains Nate/DLee after their new signings too they could be pretty dang good. Plus, you look at teams like Boston and LA with their embarrassment of riches in the frontcourt and all over the roster and its harder to justify getting nothing instead of something for MIA.
A conference rival is one thing
Making it impossible to win the division in the next five years, barring injury? I just don’t know how the Heat brass could justify that to our fans.
“Yes, we won’t win our division for the next five years, maybe longer, and we just gave the Magic a championship or two but hey, Marcin Gortat people!”
by eltharion_doa on Dec 7, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Their fans, I mean
I presume our fans wouldn’t need much convincing.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 7, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
It's tricky, yeah.
Pat Riley would roll over in his grave before giving up Wade to the Magic.
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I agree
but in the end, it’s all up to Wade.
Question: If MIA doesnt agree to a sign and trade, would another team (with appropriate funding) be able to sign Wade and trade him to us? Can that type of deal be held enforceable by a special clause in Wade’s new contract (that would require that Wade be dealt to ORL upon signing)?
Ex: Could NYK, NJN or SAC sign DWade to $X Million, then trade him to ORL for matching salaries (VC, Gortat, Bass, picks, whatever necessary fillers)? I know that a player cannot be dealt within a certain amount of days, but would those certain amount of days be counted in the offseason?
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
I immediately thought no.. but the more I think about it, the more possible it is. That signing team may not want that designation of giving Wade up, but if such a clause existed, then all they’d be doing is getting free assets for playing a middle man. It sounds illegal too. lol
technically, it's still a sign and trade contract though, right?
I never heard of it being illegal but if that did happen, maybe Wade would have to just stay there for the designated time until he can be traded.
Im telling you…
VC, Gortat, Bass, picks, cash considerations for Wade alone. Honestly, who WOULDN’T want that? Especially a team looking to clear up space and add young talent at the same time. Bass and Gortat are a legit starting 4 and 5 on some teams. VC is a leader and scorer that can be a 1 year rental, I just dont see why a team wouldn’t take that.
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
Yea, its a great deal for Wade if he’s going to walk for nothing, but you reminded me that Wade would have to stay in his new team for a few months I think before he could be traded. Only the former team Miami can s/t him before the season starts by having his bird rights. I dont really think he stays in a new team for a few months just to make sure he is traded to the one he wants. He prolly still has to have (a max contract offering) team this summer that he would walk away from Miami to for nothing, then Miami decides if Wade should be traded.
With eltharion
You don’t make Orlando stronger just to get “something” for Dwyane Wade. There’s always impact players at the top of the draft if you’re bad enough. But getting Vince Carter, Gortat, draft picks etc etc don’t make you a better team for the long term. That’s just getting something for Dwyane Wade.
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IMO, they need to rebuild again, this time around Beasley and Chalmers.
With Gortat being a long term 5 man for them I can easily see them building a team around Chalmer, Cook, Beasley, Bass and Gortat that could contended in the next 3-4 seasons. With VC’s contract coming off the books the following season, there are plenty of young pieces that they could attract with their cap space. I honestly think that signing a big time player like Stoudemire next season (which I doubt they can) would be a mistake. I think we’ve seen Amare’s ceiling and I just dont think that Wade/Beasley/Amare and O’Neal (If he stays in MIA) can truly contend for a ’chip.
http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/2011/
If I’m MIA (for next season), I trade Wade for pieces that could help for the future (expiring contracts, picks, young pieces). VC’s contract can bring 2, maybe 3 good young players come 2011. Come 2011, Wade will be nearing 29 years of age and he aint gonna wanna wait too long to contend again. It makes all the sense in the world for Wade to come to Orlando, and it would really help MIA in the long run IMO.
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
Oh yeah.
He would have to be completely, 100% behind joining the Magic. Otherwise he’d be faced with signing a deal for like the MLE with the Magic (or take a bigger contract from a less attractive situation) if Miami refused the trade. I just can’t imagine Miami letting Wade walk for NOTHING, that would be way more devastating to the franchise than watching the Magic win titles. Both from a PR standpoint, and from a financial standpoint if they had a crap team for a prolonged period with nothing close to Wade to provide something for fans to pay for.
That would still have a solid core of young players (Chalmers, Beasley, Bass?, Gortat?, etc.) and would prolly use the cap space for more or another star (Bosh?), or just keep it for another year. Im also not liking the argument that its too much if Wade joins Dwight, the Lakers and any team that figures out what to put around LBJ may prolly be the best future champs before the Magic, and a ton of people think like that. We’re the minority in that, that is wrong.
No way he'd take the MLE
He may want to play with Dwight, but not enough to give up $12m or so a season.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
This is all hypothetical here. There’s an almost 0% chance Wade will be in Orlando next year.
I'd say 5%-10%; there's a teeny chance.
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I'll take teeny over no chance anyday
especially if Wade says he wants to play with Dwight.
“I’ve learned in this league that anything is possible” – Dwyane Wade
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
Yep
Just not next season, I suspect. Far more likely he moves to somewhere else for a season or two, then demands a trade out if they stink it up to get a chance with Howard or Bosh or whatever.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
how bout we trade up for john wall?
that’d be cool too.
it’s nice to conjecture future lineups, but i think i like what we’ve got right now as is. we’re right up there with the lakers as far as championship contenders are concerned. lets just hope our current PG, Jameer, comes back healthy soon.
but gawd damn it’d be sweet to see dwade and dwight play together. a LOT of dunks there.
by RockyMountainHigh on Dec 8, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions
John Wall would be a pipe dream.
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IMO
John Wall would be less of a chance than Wade in Orlando.
"Blue and white...ignite...BOOOM! - Dwight Howard
Teams just dont trade picks for assets unless they think they can contend right away or have a pick in a filled position. Plus, rookies don’t know the veteran and defensive tricks of the trade to contend right away. They can only be role players to some levels that first year or so on a championship level team already.
There wouldn't be a chance. The possibility doesn't exist.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
It'd probably take Dwight Howard and a combination of unprotected future 1st-rounders to land the the top overall pick
Obviously, that ain’t happening.
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