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Orlando Magic 114, New York Knicks 102

Rashard Lewis' 26 points and 5 three-pointers keyed the Orlando Magic's 7th win in their last 8 games, a 114-102 victory over the New York Knicks in a game that featured very little defense on either side. Dwight Howard scored 24 points and Vince Carter added 23 for Orlando, which managed to post its third-best effective field goal shooting game despite connecting on just 34.2% of their three-pointers. The Magic's 29-of-45 showing inside the arc, against the Knicks' soft defense, proved to be the difference. Nate Robinson scored 22 of his 24 points in the 4th period for New York, but his team's inability to get any stops down the stretch doomed its comeback chances. Orlando's won 8 of its last 9 games, and came out of its 4-games-in-5-nights stretch with a respectable 3-1 record.

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TeamPaceEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
Magic91125.558.4%20.522.99.9
Knicks91112.256.0%10.87.79.9
Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average;
red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average.

Orlando once again got off to a rocky start, mostly on the defensive end. The Knicks ran high pick-and-roll action with Chris Duhon and David Lee, with great success, as Howard showed too hard on Duhon, who repeatedly found Lee at the rim for an easy two points. On their first possession, the Knicks ran this play, and Howard rotated back to Lee too late, fouling him on a layup for a three-point play, which set the tone for how Howard's night would go defensively. The reigning Defensive Player of the Year looked ordinary tonight, defending a pick-and-roll featuring the league's worst offensive point guard and an undersized center, which bodes ill.

But flukey jumpers keyed New York's hot start, jumpers that they would not continue to convert at such a rate the rest of the game. If your team forces Duhon or Lee to take contested 20-footers, it's done its job, even if those shots go in. In contrast, the Knicks' D never tightened up, and Orlando worked the ball inside at will. Howard shot 8-for-9, with few contested looks. Reserve power forward Ryan Anderson compensated for the temporary loss of his outside shooting touch by scooping up offensive rebounds and putting 'em back in. Carter took his share of jumpers off the dribble, but also drove the ball on occasion. It was backup point guard Anthony Johnson, though, who most emphatically exploited the Knicks' poor defense when he drove from the right wing to the basket, unimpeded, for an easy, layup-line-style dunk. The stats show the Knicks yielded 114 points on 91 Magic possessions, and it could have been much more had Carter not struggled at the line (4-of-9) or had the Magic had their usual three-point stroke going.

Their relative cold streak from downtown did not hinder them from taking treys. Orlando's 38 attempts from beyond the arc set a franchise record. It became frustrating at times to watch the Magic cast from long range against such a soft interior defense, especially on a night when Howard seemed to get some lucky bounces inside.

It was also frustrating to watch the Magic allow Duhon to have his finest game of the season. He shot 5-of-6 to set a new season-high in made baskets; his previous best was 4, and he never accomplished that on fewer than 9 shots. He also tallied 9 assists: 5 for layups and 4 for three-pointers. Neither Johnson nor Jason Williams could deny Duhon dribble-penetration, which is something to consider the next time anyone contends that the Magic are a better defensive team with Jameer Nelson out of the lineup.

Overall, it's hard not to come away impressed with Lewis' suddenly "getting it" after a lackluster first few games back from suspension. But the defense, particularly from Howard, needs work. Orlando has two days off until facing the Knicks again on its home floor, and will need to tune-up just a bit in order to avoid a potential embarrassment. After all, only 2 points separated these teams at halftime before Lewis' third-period burst.

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a. Good road win (2nd game of 2nd back-to-back on this road trip)! And, I can live with a mediocre effort/performance. We need nights where we cruise a little bit to have the energy for the top-tier teams.

Why does somebody almost always has a career game (Ilyasova/Warrick) or breakout game (Duhon) vs. the Magic?!

c. I don’t expect the Knicks to play great defense…..they’re the 2009 Knicks….they don’t care past the fact that almost the whole team is in a contract year. Management has completely demoralized those players.

d. With weak interior defense, it would have been fun if the team had made a point to add Howard to the list of players who smack 50 pts. on the Knicks…even better if at MSG.

by magicfaninTN on Nov 29, 2009 11:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Someone's FREQUENTLY going to have a really good game against the Magic. Or against any other team.

Going into the Magic-Bucks game, Ilyasova was averaging 11 points and 7 rebounds in 22 minutes a game. Extend those per-minute averages to 40 minutes, and you wind up with 20 points and 13 rebounds. So is Ilyasova’s 20/16 performance a huge stretch from there? It’s impressive that he was able to keep up his performance through 40 minutes, but it’s basically the same performance he’s delivered all season. Ilyasova has some real talent there.

Warrick, even more so. On November 28, he scored 16 on the Magic, on 6-12 shooting, with 5 rebounds. But… on November 27, he scored 15 on the Thunder, on 5-10 shooting, with 9 rebounds. And on November 25, he scored 22 on the Hornets, on 9-15 shooting, with 10 rebounds. He played more minutes in those two games, but how is what he did last night a “career game” if you could argue it’s the weakest of his last three performances? Warrick’s averaging 12 points in 24 minutes… the dude’s a good scorer now, as simple as that.

Duhon has slumped early in the 2009-10 season, but last year, he averaged 11.1 points and 7.2 assists. Given the fatigue that’s affected the Magic’s PG crew in this four-game stretch, and the fact that neither J-Will nor AJ is a very good defender to begin with, 11 and 9 is well within his range. If it had happened last year, it wouldn’t have even seemed out of the ordinary.

(To me, I’m more surprised by Nate Robinson’s performance. Except no, I’m not, because he did it in the fourth quarter against an exhausted Magic PG corps, and Nate Robinson is a guy who’s always been able to put a lot of points on the board quickly, and anyway shooting streaks happen. Sometimes a guy will just make a bunch of shots.)

So none of those players was doing anything really unusual against the Magic. But even if they were, someone’s usually going to have a good game. There are twelve players on a roster. That’s twelve games with a season high right there, unless two guys have a season high in the same game. Add to that season rebounding highs, season assist highs, and games where the guy doesn’t have a season high but just has a really good game, and someone’s going to stand out in most games. In a way, it’s the opposite that’s weird: games where everyone pretty much plays up to their averages.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Small correction on that.

Second paragraph begins “Warrick, even more so.” I edited the thing after I wrote that, so now it looks like I’m saying “Warrick is more talented than Ilyasova”. But my actual intent was to say, “Warrick’s performance on Saturday wasn’t out of the ordinary given his play this season, even more so than Ilyasova’s performance on Saturday wasn’t out of the ordinary given his play this season.”

(I don’t know why I’m bothering to correct this.)

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent comment.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

6th straight road victory, one short of tying a franchise record.

Also, they showed a stat tonight stating that in the past 4 years, the Magic are far and away the best November team…for whatever that is worth. lol

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Nov 29, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

Also, which is it?
Rashard Lewis’ 26 points and 5 three-pointers keyed the Orlando Magic’s 7th win in their last 8 games[…]Orlando’s won 8 of its last 9 games, and came out of its 4-games-in-5-nights stretch with a respectable 3-1 record.

NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!

by malars on Nov 29, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

Both.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."

by ben_gleicher on Nov 30, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to say, Vince looks like he's lost 90% of his lift, even since preseason.

That doesn’t explain 1-7 from the 3 point line, but a breakaway layup for the greatest dunker of all time? Man it’s hard to watch.

It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."

by ben_gleicher on Nov 30, 2009 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Why? Panic because a guy doesn't dunk like he used to? Petty.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Now you are just being picky

Vince shouldn’t be trying to jump out of the gym, he can create his own shot and that is what we got him for, not to showboat with dunks. I want Vince to take better shots and take care of the ball better, not try to dunk over people.

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And...

Vince for one more year, or Hedo for 4 more years…I think we have made a wise decision. As much as I liked Hedo, his asking price was crazy talk, at least we overspent on a short deal that will be a valuable trade piece if needed.

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Vince is still learning

how best to fit in. He is used to being the stud and now he is a part of a very potent offense. He will get better at chosing when to drive, when to pull up and when to pass. He has improved in all three ways since the start of the season, with the possible exception of some of those 28 foot jumpers he occassionally launches.

by NC Magic Fan on Nov 30, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I could care less about Carter's lift. I care that he produces and he's been doing that.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

But he hasn't really, has he?

41.6% from the field, 2.3 assists per game, 245 shots and 55 FTs to make 278 points… he’s been taking way too many shots, and those shots are way too inefficient. Meanwhile, he’s not doing a good job at all of getting his teammates involved.

All of which is not to say he’s been irredeemably awful. But he’s going to have to make a radical shift in order to do this team more good than harm, and I don’t think he’s there yet.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a bit surprised at his lack of playmaking so far.

And his lack of lift has really crippled his ability to finish. I don’t care how he puts the ball in the hoop, but he’s shooting just 43% inside (per 82games) despite not getting a ton (11%) of his shots blocked. He’s missing at pt-blank range, which is bothersome, and demonstrates his waning athleticism.

by Evan Dunlap on Nov 30, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything, I'd say I want to see more threes from him.

Well, no, I’d say more passing. But after that — more open threes. He’s shooting 36.6% from there, and taking a LOT of shots from several feet beyond the arc, and/or with a defender’s hand in his face.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't see it

I have seen him take some bad shots, but he looks good on most of the drives I have seen, and I have seen a lot of no calls on drives with a lot of contact that I have a feeling he will benefit more down the road. I mean I just saw hiim take an alley oop from AJ what last game? I think his shot selection has been suspect, and no one seems to be able to pass very well right now besides J-Will and Reddick (!!!). I think the jostling roster and sprained ankle should be taken into account and I expect all these areas will improve with time. I do love being able to complain about our problems like we aren’t the #1 seed in the East so far though, it is a good feeling.

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point about the no-calls when Carter attacks the basket.

I know he’s been looking for more whistles but hasn’t been getting them.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

You know, if he's not getting the calls, he needs to stop looking for the calls.

I hate when wing players drive into the lane in the hopes of drawing fouls. Play the game to make shots; if you get fouled and they don’t call it, that’s the ref’s fault, but if you’re angling for a foul and don’t get it, that’s your fault. And that goes double if the refs aren’t buying it and you do it again.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he goes to the hoop to score, man

I just think he is looking for the call when he is sitting in the first row after getting knocked out of bounds. But again, I think you should try to not count the Boston game, that game was a nightmare for all involved. And b4 the ankle sprain, Vince was playing very good basketball. I think this is the square peg in round hole time where we just have to wear down the corners until everything fits together.
But for the record, even with the bad shooting, I think so far Vince has been just what we were looking for, and I see it coming together now that Rashard is getting back in form. Shoot I say Rashard but honestly, the biggest change is Dwight coming into form, staying out of fould trouble for the most part is key for him. That and offensive touches / inside out basketball.

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, we'll see.

It’s not even the shooting percentage that bothers me so much as the reckless drives/shots (which could be just my perception) and the assist totals. I mean, how do you have twice as many assists passing to the Nets as you do to the Magic? I mean, sure, the Magic have Nelson/Williams, but the Nets had Devin Harris.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

no

The shot selection has been suspect, I agree, but I think it is more just knowing your teammates and building that trust on the court for the assists. Sometimes when I see Vince, it looks like he is being overly hesitant to force a pass where he should (aka to Dwight in the post). But like you said we shall see, but I for one am excited, I see him improving, and with where we are right now, we are still minus a Nelson and pretty effin good! I’ll take it!

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this is more a temporary worry than anything permanent.

I mean, we lived with Turkoglu shooting 41%, we can live with Vince doing the same.

In the long term, do we want more? Sure, we’ll take more. But the rest of the Magic’s offense is so efficient, we can afford to have one inefficient guy who can score in quantity over quality… that is the one thing about Vince. I can’t envision a scenario in which a team could stop Vince from getting those points.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been inefficient, yeah, but he's being asked to score more with Nelson out.

I’m not worried too much about his lack of playmaking because, again, he’s being asked to take on more of a scoring load in the short-term. At this point, Williams has the playmaking taken cared of.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know... I've seen Carter handling the ball a lot this week.

Unfortunately, rarely with very good results.

And yeah, I guess we can reserve judgment on this — but I feel like he was barely above 40% with Nelson in and Lewis out, and now barely above 40% with Lewis in and Nelson out.

And then again, I keep going back to that Boston game. Lewis shot 5-11 for 16 points, Pietrus was 5-6 (!), Howard 2-4… and Vince 10-29. I can kind of see not trusting Pietrus, but seriously, you need to give the ball up sometimes, especially in the 4th. Shot after shot, he was driving our offense into the ground out there. Fortunately, the Celtics had even less luck with the scoring, but I really feel like Vince’s performance kind of deserved to lose us that game.

I guess at this point, he has no excuse for not sometimes giving the ball to Lewis (at least) down the stretch. I’ve got a bad feeling.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That Boston game was an aberration.

I would have blamed more the 20 turnovers than Carter’s 29 shots if Orlando lost. I think we should let things play out. If these last few games have shown, is that the Magic are achieving better balance on the offensive side of the ball with Dwight, Rashard, and Vince.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Carter was involved in some of those turnovers too.

But as for improvement, I feel like I haven’t seen it. In the last 5 games, Vince has shot 43-104 (41.3%) for 115 points and averaged 2.4 assists.

In the last 3 games, i.e. the ones where Dwight has played well on offense, he’s shot 26-61 (42.6%) for 69 points and averaged 2.3 assists.

So he’s still shooting 20 shots a game, barely exceeding a point per FG attempt, and his assists haven’t gone up either. Now, maybe there’s a change going on, but it hasn’t filtered its way into the stats yet.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 30, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

ah

But he will only go up in those categories, and our team is playing very well with him playing aggressively. It was the missing element to our team, an attacking player. Man how did you ever survive Hedo’s game? With all his crazy drives to the hoop, you must have broken a few remotes…

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah

You beat me to a Hedo reference already…

by Eric9321 on Nov 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, Vince was to blame for the turnovers but it was a team-wide problem.

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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

negativity...

dont put too much negativity on the magic games guys we should be happy coz atleast were not the new jersey nets.hehehehe

what we do in life echoes in eternity

by Hbkid on Nov 30, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

It's understandable, I guess, but at the same time people should appreciate the winning.

The NBA is a cruel league and things can change in a hurry for a franchise.

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by erivera7 on Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Impressed with the week

3-1 off of 2 back to backs is very good; and 3 of those on the road. I was a little worried to see how JWill was going to hold up but he seemed to be just fine. “Dad” coming through against NY and ATL helped.

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"I don't feel this team can beat us four times," Mo Williams 5/21

by L Magico on Nov 30, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

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