Orlando Magic 104, Toronto Raptors 96
After a slow start that saw them trail by as many as 11 points, the Orlando Magic battled back on the road against the Toronto Raptors to win 104-96, for their fifth consecutive victory. Vince Carter's jumper just before the third-period buzzer knotted the game at 76, and the Magic's second unit started the final period on a 17-6 run to take control of the game. Carter, the reviled former Raptor, led all scorers with 24 points on 9-of-24 shooting while also contributing 8 rebounds and 2 assists. J.J. Redick scored 19 points off Orlando's bench, with four three-pointers, and came up big in the fourth period. Chris Bosh paced Toronto with 22 points, as usual, but the Magic held him in check; he had averaged 30 points per game against them in their last 10 meetings.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Magic | 88 | 118.5 | 46.4% | 32.5 | 28.6 | 8.0 |
| Raptors | 87 | 110.7 | 48.1% | 28.6 | 20.0 | 10.4 |
| Green denotes a stat better than the team's season average; red denotes a stat worse than the team's season average. | ||||||
The spotlight always shines a bit brighter on Carter when he visits the Raptors, and looking at the boxscore it might be tempting to say he wilted today, with another inefficient game. I don't think that's fair, given how he played. He got to wherever he wanted on the floor with relative ease, and in the early going, he made the basket his destination. Unfortunately, he struggled to finish after absorbing contact, even missing two dunks. In the second half, perhaps irritated by the contact the officials were letting go, he turned his game more toward the perimeter. It worked. He shot 7-of-13 in the second half overall, scoring 18 points, with just 1 attempt at the basket; he also drew four free throws. For whatever reason, he was simply more comfortable from mid-range. The Magic should at least be happy that he tore through the Raptors' defense with relative ease, even if his finishing left a lot to be desired.
As well as he played--we can't discount those 8 rebounds--he was arguably the Magic's second-best shooting guard today. Redick was the star off the bench, lighting the Raptors up just as he did three weeks ago, when he scored 27 starting in Carter's place. With the game tied after three periods, Redick led the Magic's surge at the beginning of the fourth to take control. He shot 3-of-4 for 7 points, and assisted on 3 other field goals, thus accounting for 15 of the Magic's 28 points in the period. The Raptors' poor defense did him a favor by continuing to go under screens set for him, allowing J.J. to shoot uncontested much of the time. Interesting that coach Stan Van Gundy made Redick, and not starting point guard Jason Williams, the playmaker down the stretch. It's a move that paid off, though.
Dwight Howard continued to struggle offensively, in part due to Bosh's surprisingly good defense and in part due to his receiving a beating down low. Lots of off-line flings at the rim after getting hit for Howard, but it really didn't matter too much. He was still active on the offensive boards, as 5 of his game-high 12 rebounds came on that end. He's improved as a passer, finding Redick in the opposite corner for a three-pointer after one of those rebounds.
Really, the story of the day was the Magic's secondary players filling in well for the stars. Rashard Lewis was set to have a big game, but could not stay out of foul trouble. In his place, Ryan Anderson scored 8 points on 2-of-6 shooting, all from beyond the arc. Lewis missed all of his three-point attempts, but made up for it by driving to the basket or pulling up from mid-range if his defender bought his head-fakes.
Williams, too, made an impact. He played Jose Calderon, who is at his very best a borderline All-Star, to a draw: Williams scored 16, grabbed 5 rebounds, and tallied 3 assists with no turnovers; Calderon also scored 16, with 2 rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 turnovers. Williams' 34-year-old legs didn't betray him, sinking two three-pointers in the fourth quarter despite playing 39 minutes, his highest total since logging 42 minutes against Charlotte in March 2008. His to more-or-less matching Calderon in a game in which the Magic's top players struggled to score efficiently proved to be huge.
The biggest cause for concern here isn't the offense. Carter, Howard, and Lewis will all come around. But nobody the Magic had seemed to be able to contain reserve pogo-stick power forward Amir Johnson, who contributed 14 points and 8 rebounds in 29 minutes. Defensively, he altered shots inside, and drew a charge on Howard. Offensively, the Magic didn't have an answer. He can't create his own offense, but relies on missed shots and his teammates' passing savvy to get him buckets. Orlando continued to lose track of him, on both backboards and in transition, and he nearly won the Raptors the game today. In the waning minutes of the third quarter, Johnson scored 9 points and grabbed 5 rebounds, just by running the floor and being active; he even out-leaped Howard for a few of those boards. The East has plenty of these sorts of players--J.J. Hickson of Cleveland comes to mind, as does Josh Smith of Atlanta--and the Magic cannot go through the whole season letting them get whatever they want. Lewis is the Magic's best defender at power forward, but he's not athletic enough to keep up with them; look no further than his futile attempt to avoid fouling Johnson after a head-fake late in the fourth quarter today for evidence. If Brandon Bass, who earned his second consecutive did not play-coach's decision today, can prove he has both the athleticism and the awareness to stick with the more athletic power forwards of the East, he could carve his way back into the rotation.
Overall, it's great for Orlando to win its 5th straight, especially on the road in a particularly hostile environment. It played hard and executed on both ends of the floor. Had the Magic managed to keep a body on Johnson throughout the game, and had Howard been able to avoid early foul trouble, they would have won this one much more easily. They get two days off before a difficult stretch this Thanksgiving weekend, in which they'll play 4 games in 5 nights in 4 different cities.
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Great win but...
Vince’s athleticism is really lost… I think his vertical is like 20 inches nowadays when he doesn’t get the chance to gather properly…
He still has some flashes of brilliance though.
Well, he's 33.
The fact Carter is still playing at an All-Star level is impressive, nonetheless.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
It's been tough to watch as a fan.
Just have to learn to adjust, lol.
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Great win despite...
Having to play right after breakfast. These guys normally don’t get to bed until the wee hours of morning. We watch them play and we go to bed. They can’t be playing at their bedtime, so 8pm is the middle of the day for these guys. Which means many of them are still asleep at 12:30pm, when this game started.
The Magic will get no easy wins this year, because every team (read: OKC) will bring their best game to the floor. So this was a very good win on the road. The intensity that every team brings against the Magic will really pay off in the playoffs.
Yeah, it was another good win. The defense did its job slowing down a potent offensive attack.
I wish more games were schedule in the ACC because J.J. Redick sure likes playing in the building.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Ironic, isn't it? J.J. tears it up in the ACC the conference and the ACC the center.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
We won!
So glad. You see I’m also a Buccaneers fan, and watched both streams simultaneously…
My NFL team is a friggan joke this year, so glad for Magic!
Bucs: Raheem will become relevant when his actions speak louder than his words. Gators: National Champions! Magic: Stop getting injured!
by chiefs_55 on Nov 22, 2009 5:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Probably.
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by chiefs_55 on Nov 22, 2009 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not funny. I'm still upset.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I am surprised that SVG didn't give Bass a try vs. Amir
Is he in the doghouse? Everyone was sure that JJ was going to be the one grabbing pine when the roster was at full strength. Doesn’t seem to be the case right now.
Brandon isn't in the doghouse, just not a part of the rotation.
I think it’s a little too presumptuous to overreact from Amir Johnson having a good game. It happens.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Sounds like the doghouse to me
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's not.
Doghouse implies that the coach doesn’t like the player. That’s not the case here.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I thought "doghouse" meant there's no room in the house for the dog.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I am married.
I can get you a good deal on some luxury Dog houses, because if you ever plan to get married you will need one and you will be in it often!!!
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
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i am not happy about Bass getting 2 DNP CD in a row
Not cool SVG.. Amir Johnson is abusing Anderson and Lewis and you dont even give Bass a chance to shut him down. You grab Brandon and tell him you dont want Amir to get another rebound. I guarantee he’d do it after not playin at all last game.
I’m really starting to get frustrated with his sole devotion to the stretch 4
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 22, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Continue to be frustrated, then, because that's what makes the Magic an excellent team.
It’s early in the season, Bass will find his way into the rotation. People need to understand that this was going to happen once Orlando was at full-strength. The depth at power forward is staggering.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
That won't happen.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I think Gortat would be traded first...
At least I hypothesize that it could be a plan-
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by chiefs_55 on Nov 23, 2009 2:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
will not happen
we need him as insurance…for what i will not mention (should be obvious i just dont want to say it)
Well, I think he'll eventually get moved but not this year.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Dare I say it?
Dwight Howard sucks. (ducking lightning bolts in here)
OK now I am not attempting to troll or get a rise out of anyone. At first I thought this was just going to be a couple of bad games, but this has slowly turned into the entire season so far for Dwight. Every game I watch, here is what I see the first few minutes- couple of badly missed shots (so much for working on those low post moves) a couple free throws that Ray Charles would have had better form on, followed by 2 dumb fouls Dwight complains about on his way to the bench the rest of the half. Instead of making the improvements you would expect from a 24 year old, apparantly his game has regressed, while he looks for yet another opportunity to get some face time on TV laughing and doing bad impressions. His scoring, blocks and defense are down, and while he’s still at 10+ rebounds, what NBA big man couldnt grab 10+ boards being the only guy under the basket for a team (and purposely shooing away others so he can pad his stats at times on meaningless rebounds)
He can half a$$ it and Orlando has enough talent now to still cruise against the likes of Charlotte, Memphis and the Wizards. But come playoff time if hes still worried more about his next TV appearance than he is playing hard, the likes of Shaq and KG are going to work him in the postseason. I love this team and I have loved watching Howard but watching him coast and half a$$ it all season have finally begun to wear on me. I know complaining about an 11-3 team is a bit much but the way he’s playing I see them going nowhere in the postseason if he dosent get it together. I will know await the hate about to be thrown at me.
Boo this man!
BOOOOOoooooooo!
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Nov 22, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
you don't convince me very well that you aren't trying to troll
dwight’s per minute numbers are virtually identical to his career averages (and slightly less than last year’s numbers which were pretty high). his problem has been playing time because he is committing dumb fouls. as soon as he realizes it is more important for him to be on the floor and stop committing the stupid fouls his numbers will go back up.
You say “what nba big man couldn’t grab 10+ boards being the only guy under the basket.” Well today that person would be Chris Bosh who had all of 5 rebounds in 37 minutes. Dwight has as many OFFENSIVE rebounds as Bosh had total rebounds.
Dwight was 8-10 from the free throw line before going 1-4 near the end of the game. This is hardly a bad percentage. This was one of Dwight’s more subpar nights (he wasn’t getting the whistles he thought he should be getting but Toronto’s D on him was pretty good.) He shouldn’t settle for some of the shots he has been taking. He still managed 17-12 with 3 assists. I believe even after today he will still be leading the league in field goal percentage, so you can’t complain too much about his overall shooting (everyone has bad games every now and then).
Moral of the story is to be patient.
/end rant
His game has regressed?
Dwight Howard currently leads the NBA in eFG%, DRB%, and TRB%. Plus his Offensive Rating of 118, so far, is a career-high for him. The only thing he needs to work on is the fouls, but other than that, he’s been fine. All his other numbers fall in line with his career-averages, so he’s definitely not regressed.
Especially with his ability to pass out of the post + double/triple teams, which has been excellent this year.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Didn't the Magic play the Raptors today?
Cuz I don’t remember Memphis, Charlotte and Zards teaming up to beat the Magic for some reason.
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For Christ's sake's play him at the 3!
He is too good to sit the bench
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Brandon at the 3? No, he's strictly a 4/5.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
He's definitely not a 3. SVG could try him at the 2 tho.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
Well he's only 6'6" he could be a tall PG like Magic Johnson
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
That was just sarcasm in response to the idea that someone should automatically change positions because they're behind in the depth chart.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah you don't see any 6'6 SF's
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
What do you mean?
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think he was being sarcastic in return.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
How do you guys like the new four factors chart?
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
It needs colors to indicate which team won the factor.
While I can figure it out, it was nice to be able to briefly glance and see how the four factors played out. Right now, a team could be marked in red and win the factor against a team marked in green.
That being said, I do like the green and red to indicate variation from the norm. Could we keep these colors and also bring back the teal highlighting for the team that won the factor?
Good suggestions
Maybe bolding the “winner” of each stat, in addition to the colors to show above/below season avgs, would work?
I’m not a fan of the highlighted cells because they got hard for me to read, which is why I switched to font color.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
Yeah, bolding the "winner" would suffice.
I like the change, though.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I bolded the "winner"
Not sure if it stands out enough. Hmmm….
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
It stands out, but not enough.
Maybe highlight the calls but with a different color that’s easier to read.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I dont get exicted over charts and graphs...
I actually have a girlfriend
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
Congratulations.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Bold doesn't stand out much
What about putting a * before the “winner” number in addition to bold.
As much as I admire Hedo, Michael Jordan of Turkey is either an insult to the GOAT or to Turkish Basketball.
I can see the highlighted stuff much easier now Ben
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This is better. We don't need the highlights to say which number is better when they're right next to eachother lol.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 22, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm curious why you have 2 different paces
I thought there was only one for the game. Or am I missing something about the 4 factors?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I do really like the above/below of the norm though
I like that a lot actually.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
They're not equal sometimes, what with jump-balls, beginnings of quarters/halves, etc. Usually they're not off by more than 1 or 2.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
Ah Thanks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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my patience
I have attempted to be, but I guess ive grown tiresome of Dwight’s daily 2 fouls in the 1st 4 minutes, then taking a siesta the rest of the half. I probably should be more patient but I would have hoped id see progression out of him this year, and not a bit of a lull in his game.
It's frustrating but to say he's regressed is a bit much.
It’s early in the season, it’ll all balance itself out in the end.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I would like to see
Bass playing some at the 4 on the second squad while playing Anderson at the 3. I think Anderson is young and spry enough to keep in front of a majority of second string SF’s. And that will allow us to get Bass game time to keep him fresh for when we need him.
Also, I see a lot of bashing on Dwight for fouls, but I watch every game and while some of the fouls are warranted, I see a lot of 50/50 calls, that I hope that will go against us in the first half and maybe we get the benefit of in the second half. No doubt Howard needs to recognize how the game is being called, I find it difficult when our players attack the rim (I am thinking of Carter taking it to the rim against the Raps today) and absorb a LOT of contact and don’t get a call, but Howard has the call go against him when people just run into him. I know the rules, and when he leans his arms and they aren’t straight up it can be called a foul, but then the same deal should apply to the other team. Some calls just look like Howard pissed in the ref’s cheerios, and now he is paying for it. Maybe Howard needs to learn more diplomacy and dare I say, kill the refs with kindness…
Anderson definitely can't play the 3.
Ryan isn’t athletic enough.
What Van Gundy could do if he’s looking for some more offense is play Lewis at the 3, Anderson at the 4, and Bass at the 5. Stan has done it before (granted, Marcin Gortat was out due to an illness) but that’s an option that could be explored. Like I said above, Brandon will find his way in the rotation.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I love Bassmaster at the 5
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by chiefs_55 on Nov 23, 2009 3:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As do I.
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11-3
Not to shabby.
I mean if you read these comments and didn’t know the record you would think we were chilling at 7-7 with Z-Bo as our Center…
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about d12
he could have improve alot if he just focus his summer on practicing and improving his low post shot but i still give credit for d12 coz the refs are not really fair to him this days. i think svg should play bass alot of minute coz he has alot of potential. he once said that the mavs used to make him guard the 2 spot so i think he can be very versatile on the defensive end.
magic fan forever!!!!
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Dwight's fouls
They’re frustrating because he’s the Defensive POY. The NBA is a superstar league and he doesn’t get those calls. I actually wish they called all the fouls evenly, superstar or not. But they don’t. I know, it’s pointless to complain. I just feel bad for Dwight.
by The Stan 'Stache on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He has to learn to adjust and play smarter. Picking up all those T's isn't going to change anything.
I also would like to see Stan let Dwight play through foul trouble. Points the first half count just as much as points in the second half.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 23, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
He needs to keep his cool. We need him on the court.
by The Stan 'Stache on Nov 23, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
He needs to befriend the refs.
His whining is only going to make the whistles quicker. D12 is so easy going and likeable in every other arena in his life. He ought to try the charm with the refs and see if there is any change. Even if he could whine with a smile instead of that scornful grimace he gives, it would probably make a diff.
by magicfaninTN on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe take them out to dinner or follow them on Twitter.
/sarcasm
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Hedo
I’m pretty sure Hedo Turkoglu isn’t too surprised his former team keeps whipping up on his new team. I think it’s clear the guy sacrificed winning a championship for a better social life and $$$.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Well it was the decision that was best for his family. You can't fault the man for that.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand the "decision best for his family" phrase.
I always find it funny when pro athletes drop that line. It’s such a damn cop out. Its not like his family was being persecuted in Orlando or were living below the poverty line in Orlando and signing with Toronto changed all that. Pro athletes are usually busy around the clock during the season and see their families minimally at best. They play on xmas, thanksgiving, new years, etc. so its not like they are spending Q.T. with the fam on holidays. And then in the offseason they usually don’t live in the city they play anyways. These guys make millions of dollars so I’m pretty sure there are much worse things that a head of household in this country has to deal with than having to raise their family in the affluent neighborhoods of Orlando, Milwaukee, or San Antonio. Magic fans need to stop fooling themselves…Turkoglu didn’t give a shit about winning a title for the franchise or his team mates…he strictly left for money and a social scene that in his mind is better than Orlando’s. Trust me, if the Magic played in LA or Toronto…he’d of taken slightly less to stay. (Note: he was never going to Portland either, he used them to push the price up on Toronto…no doubt.)
And understand that the guy was in a unique situation. Not every free agent has to make the choice between seriously winning a title or more money. The decision is usually easy enough and is money driven.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
LOL. Take a deep breath.
I can’t fault Hedo for his actions. The NBA is a business and we wanted a raise. I wish him well.
by The Stan 'Stache on Nov 23, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry...I'm not freaking out over here...
…I just don’t understand that phrase. Its an oxymoron. And shouldn’t be used. But it doesn’t take away from my point that the guy didn’t really care about the franchise. Business or not, some players feel vested in their teams and are willing to win a title for those fans and owner for a little less money…cause seriously what’s a few more million when you’re make 50 already?
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Why are you surprised?
Everyone knew that Hedo was looking for a payday; he said it himself.
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Not surprised just making the point that in addition to getting paid, i don’t think winning a title was a huge priority. As I stated above, he probably would have taken less if the Magic played in Toronto, LA, Chicago, or New York. I find it funny when people say he made the decision to get paid and for family reasons but in reality the two don’t go hand in hand. Like what kind of move for his family would it of been if he went to Portland for more money (ie Portland probably has just as large a Turkish community as Orlando, its further from Turkey, etc.) It just seems to me the social aspect of the move had a bigger part than money. I’ve even heard rumors that Otis didn’t really care either way if he came back or not because he wasn’t the biggest team guy in the first place. To bring all of my rants on this particular string full circle, it probably isn’t surprising to him the Magic are whipping up on his new squad because I don’t think he particularly gives a crap about winning.
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Sorry about the rantings, just thought it was an interesting point to discuss.
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Only Turk knows of course -
But I think there’s a good chance that you are correct in your assessment.
It's a valid point.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

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