Tonight's Game: Orlando Magic at Boston Celtics
by Evan Dunlap on Nov 20, 2009 4:30 PM EST
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| 9-3 | 9-3 | |
| November 20th, 2009 | ||
| TD Garden | ||
| 8:00 PM | ||
| Sun Sports / ESPN | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Jason Williams | PG | Rajon Rondo |
| Vince Carter | SG | Ray Allen |
| Mickael Pietrus | SF | Paul Pierce |
| Rashard Lewis | PF | Kevin Garnett |
| Dwight Howard | C | Kendrick Perkins |
| Game Officials | ||
| Eddie F. Rush | ||
| Tony Brothers | ||
| Eric Dalen | ||
I conducted a Q-and-A session with Zach Lowe of CelticsHub to preview the Orlando Magic's game against the Boston Celtics tonight. You can read the other half of our exchange here.
Third Quarter Collapse: The Celtics and the Magic are both 9-3. They did battle in a dramatic playoff series last year, albeit one in which both teams were without an All-Star. They're widely considered to be among the few teams capable of winning a championship this season. But--and this is something Jeff Clark pointed out to me yesterday, and something I agree with--it seems like neither fanbase is too hyped about this game. Is that assessment accurate, from a Celtics-centric standpoint? Why or why not?
CelticsHub: For me it's accurate, to a point. The Celtics fans I know are a bit chastened by what happened last season. The 27-2 start had a lot of us puffing out our chests and buying into the idea that the '09 Celts were a potentially historic juggernaut. Then reality hit--first in a 2-7 stretch midway through the season, then with KG's season-ending injury. It was a reminder not to invest a great deal of urgency in the regular season. It's a time for growth and development, but not a time to live and die with every game. (That said---you better believe I'll be pacing around my apartment and cursing under my breath during the game tonight. My girlfriend will be thrilled).
The rest of the transcript is after the jump. Tune in to ESPN, Sun Sports, or ESPN360.com tonight at 8 to watch the game. Until then.
3QC: For the most part, the Celtics have played well: they lead the league by a wide margin in point differential (10.5; Atlanta, if you can believe it, is second at 8.3), and two of their three losses have been to solid teams. Yet I sense a lot of uneasiness coming from the Celtics faithful. Losing at home to Atlanta might have done it, I suspect, but to what do you attribute the general apathy toward this season? Or am I way off-base here?
CH: It's not apathy. I think you describe it well as uneasiness. The core of the team is old, and a certain segment of paranoid Boston fans can't enjoy the games without worrying about an injury or whether this team can deal with younger, athletic opponents. There's also the reality that the C's have had an easy schedule. Only two of their nine wins have come against that currently have winning records (a home win against the Bulls and the season opener at Cleveland). Some bottom feeders have pushed them (New Jersey and Minnesota), and two of the three truly good teams they've played (Atlanta and Phoenix) have beaten the C's in Boston. And the Hawks pulled away with authority in the 4th quarter. It was uncomfortable watching Josh Smith and Al Horford clean the offensive glass without much resistance.
3QC: I've always considered Leon Powe to be a bit of an unsung hero for Boston in the Big Three era; I'd almost contend he was as important to the Cs as Rajon Rondo is now. Seeing him move on to Cleveland, another contender, couldn't have been easy. Can Rasheed Wallace and Shelden Williams compensate for Powe's loss? (Even if they can't, I believe they're a better fit than Mikki Moore was.)
CH: I think you're a little high on Powe. He's a nice player, but he wasn't as valuable last season as Rondo is now. That said, the C's really miss Powe's offensive rebounding and ability to draw fouls on offense--especially because his primary replacement, Rasheed Wallace, does neither of those things. Right now, the C's rank 27th in offensive rebounding rate and 23rd in free throw attempts per field goal attempt; last year, they ranked 8th and 7th in those categories, respectively. That's almost entirely due to the Powe-Sheed exchange the early injury to Big Baby; Powe tied Kevin Love for the best offensive rebounding rate in the league last season, and he drew fouls more often, on a per-minute basis, than any Celtic. The C's offense this season is much more dependent on getting one good shot and making it. They don't score a lot in other ways.
3QC: Speaking of frontcourt players, Kendrick Perkins is averaging a tidy 10.5 points per game on 58.8% shooting so far this year, coupled with his usual terrific defense (as best I can tell, anyway). When did he develop an offensive game? Or is he strictly a garbageman?
CH: Perk averaged about 12 points per game in the playoffs last season, so his performance so far isn't shocking. He has always had a nice touch inside 10 feet, and he's added a 15-footer he'll use now and then. He lost about 15 pounds in the offseason, and he's much more mobile as a result; the C's find him rolling to the hoop on screen/rolls once or twice a game this season. More than anything else, Perk is bigger and stronger than most centers (not the smiley guy on Orlando, obviously), and he gets a lot of his best looks by backing guys down and tossing up five-foot jump hooks.
3QC: Former Magic point guard Rafer Alston, as well as current third-string point guard Anthony Johnson, allegedly told Donny Marshall that last year's Celtics would have been good enough to beat the Lakers in last year's Finals had K.G. been at 80% health. Do you agree with their assessment? And while we're speaking of hypotheticals, do you believe that what John Hollinger (I believe) has termed the rock/paper/scissors dynamic among the Eastern contenders is still valid, even after all the changes they made over the summer? I refer here to the idea that Cleveland would beat Boston, Boston would beat Orlando, and Orlando would beat Cleveland were they to meet in the playoffs.
CH:These are tough. I'm not sure I buy the rock-paper-scissors theory, if only because I don't get the perception that Cleveland has some head-to-head advantage over Boston. Then again, Hollinger nailed it in predicting the match-up problems the Magic would present for the Cavs last season. As for the Johnson/Alston claim, I'd like to think they're right, but there's really no way to tell. The 2008 Finals weren't the massive blowout everyone thinks they were--the C's demolition of the Lakers in Game 6 has made people forget the fact that the other five games were very close. The C's also would have missed James Posey in a rematch with the Lakers. But that would have been a helluva series, and I wish we had gotten a chance to see it. I also wish Courtney Lee would have hit that (very difficult) lay-up at the buzzer of Game 2 and that Derek Fisher didn't become Robert Horry in Game 4. But what can you do?
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Beat the Leprecauns...
That said, I’m glad we all hate the Lakers here.
Bucs: Raheem will become relevant when his actions speak louder than his words. Gators: National Champions! Magic: Stop getting injured!
by chiefs_55 on Nov 20, 2009 3:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Good stuff from Ben and Zach.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
ughhh.........4 more hours to go............I'm ready right now!!!!!!!!
I have my KG voodoo doll ready too!
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Nov 20, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions
Thanks guys
This is good work that you let us see for free.
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
What are the stats for the refs in this game?
I like reading those pregame.
Even though the Hippopotamus lacks a stinger for a tail, a truly wise man would rather be sat on by a bee. ~ Banacek
Is Yahoo GameChannel working for anyone tonight?
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
I tried it for a few games, and for some reason it isn't working
Well, there’s always ESPN if you can watch.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
First time all season the Magic are listed as underdogs
Celtics are a 6 pt favorite, with an over/under of 190 1/2.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions
On the road without Meercat?
I’d hope the Magic are underdogs in Vegas Mike.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I think 6 points is a little high for the Celts to be favored by, though
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
That's because you're a Magic fan :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Very true!
…but the Celtics haven’t exactly been overwhelming in their last 6 games.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
True
But the Magic haven’t overwhelmed anybody either lately.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Hopefully they can build from their fantastic first three quarters they played against OKC
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
For anyone looking for an online feed
You can watch on ESPN360.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Sooo, anyone care to guess which team shows up tonight?
TheAWESOME effort vs OKC team or the lazy @ss embarrasing vs Cavs game?
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
I'm going to guess that Jameer Nelson doesn't play tonight
That’s my prediction and I’m sticking to it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I'm just that kinda guy blue :)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Let's hope the former
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wow that was a VC shot
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
That was a cxrappy effort on the boards by Dwight
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Dwight effort on boards and blocks has been disappointing . . .
so far this year anyway.
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Shard 4 trey
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Bleh @ that VC shot
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Are you watching on Sun or FSN Florida?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wow you really are a lot ahead of me
That sucks.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Can't
Don’t have cable where I live.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I THINK it's online though . . . .
Someone said something about ESPN360
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
That's what I'm watching blue
And I mentioned ESPN360.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH J-Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllll!!!!!
Eatin Rondo’s LUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
That was a nasty dunk by D12
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
POWER
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
the very word
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wow... the Magic are making the Celtics look like they're playing in slow motion
Magic are shooting 7 of 8; the Celts 2 for 8.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions
That's exactly it
Boston just looks old right now.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Excellent, excellent start. Both ends of the floor
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
Williams with 3 dimes already
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions
I like the variety on offense.
Vince and J-Will (!) with drives, Howard battling in the post, and outside shots from Rashard, Pietrus and Vince. Those are just about all the plays we should be looking for, and we’ve seen all of them in under 6 minutes.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Hey guys what's up?
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
No mucho, trabajo por todo dia. I'm beat.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Looks like a good start so far.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
The game is 8 minutes old, and D12 doesn't have a foul
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions
A minor miracle.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Just a minor miracle?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Well, anything short of beautiful naked women materializing out of nowhere is a minor miracle to me.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
LOL
Good point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Tap water turning into beer gets an honorable mention.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Yet Perkins has too.
So does Allen for some reason.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Lewis with 9, Pietrus with 6 to lead the Magic
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions
In other news, the Raps are up 20 on the Heat at the half!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Garnett and Pierce are shooting a combined 3 of 10
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions
Shooting 75% at Boston?
Unheard of.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Boston looks pretty awful.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
My gosh, what's gotten into Peaches?
He’s playing superb… 11 pts on 4 of 4 shooting.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions
Pietrus is on fire.
Not sure of his shot selection, but it’s tough to complain when he’s making the things.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Tough survival considering how good Boston's D is normally
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
At least once a game, he either travels or steps out of bounds. You'd think he'd figure out how not to do these things considering how often he gets called for them!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Now if he'll just step out of bounds already so we can get THAT out ofthe way!!!
I’ll forgive him tho cuz he’s on FI-YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
I was hoping for a more competitive game after the OKC beatdown.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Still WAY TOO early to be making statements like that. The Celtics are a good team and can make a comeback as we saw several times last year in the playoffs! ;)
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
I was hoping Boston would get beatdown
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Me too, but at least make it interesting.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Nah I'm good with a boring blowout
It’s only November. Any kinks the Magic have can be worked out vs lesser opponents. I just want beatdown after beatdown whenever I can get it.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Shutdown D on Pierce, too.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Well, Pietrus has to sit some time.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Really? You're not surprised to see that the Celtics only have 13 points after the first quarter?
I feel like I usually expect the Celtics to score WELL over a point per minute.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Magic shooting an outstanding 65% after one
…including 5 of 7 on threes.
The Celtics are a miserable 5 of 24 for 21%.
5 Magic TOs are the only negative.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions
Peaches with another trademark travel to end the first
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
Man, the Raptors are putting the wood to the Heat, up 23 in 3rd!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
According to Doug Collins, the team with the most points usually wins. :)
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Happy Stan for the win
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
I must admit even with this lead, I'm still nervous. It feels like something Boston can comeback to.
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
I'm sure Boston will make a run
Magic will have to withstand it.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't expect anything less than that Mike
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I am too Wasabi
You can’t count out an old squad like the C’s. You just can’t.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Until I started watching pro sports, I would have never considered 30's to be old.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
LOL
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Stan really holding it in with that look
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Magic my wanna call a timeout real quick
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Bad shots....
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
You know, I'm not even sure Boston is playing bad defense or anything.
I don’t recall THAT many easy shots for the Magic. They’re just making them.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Ball dont lie Sheed
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
7 in a row for the Celtics to start the second
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions
Cleveland down by 7, third quarter.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Excellent Vince
Finally take it in
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
I'll take it!
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
by Wasabi Steak on Nov 20, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
SVG's voice=nails on chalkboard.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Dwiiiiiiiiiight!
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
by Wasabi Steak on Nov 20, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping my eardrums rupture so the torment will stop.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Bad D
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
It's just you.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Okay yall
I’ll see ya later unless the Kings-Mavs game gets outta wack.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Good luck to the Kings
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god for Vince
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Feels like old times when I used to hold my breath while AJ was in the game!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Tough luck for Ryan.
He’s attacking the rim, it’s just not… quite… working… out. (Maybe he should shoot a 3.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Magic shooting % down to under 50% at 48%
…after starting out so well.
Celtics, though, are shooting only 29%.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Good hustle Marcin I guess...
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
That was a foul, and it was off Sheed, and Ryan can't get the call. BAH!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
That's was a tough break for JJ. He played it as well as he could
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Reddick can't handle Allen. Should have sent a double.
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Nice Hustle Polish!
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Terrible shot selection
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Mr. T? Seriously?
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
VC is gettin' MAJOR minutes...
He’s gonna be gassed in the 2nd half!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
The Magic bench has scored 2 points on a combined 1 for 6 shooting
…but the Boston bench has only 5 points on 2 of 10 shooting.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions
This is getting ugly fast.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
...Here comes the Celtics' run
We knew it was coming.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions
Throwing the ball away doesn't help.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Magic shooting just 4 of 14 this quarter
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions
AJ has 3 assists
…but is shooting 0 for 2 with 2 turnovers.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions
AJ does not look good.
He looked good vs. the Thunder, but this game… not so much.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
This was one of those Van Gundy Mental lapses
Van Gundy gets thses brain cramps sometimes, where he forgets to put the important players in the games
Gotta hit these Dwight
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
lol So much for gentle Stan
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Poor Poor defense...
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Offense on Perkins. In a perfect world anyway.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Celtics are hot and Magic are outta sync . . .
Guess we’ll see what the Magic are made of now!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Just got to find a few more good shots, make a few stops.
Halftime in under 3 minutes.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Not Peaches night...
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Why can't Peaches figure out how to not travel on that play?
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Because it's Celtics to the Free Throw line time!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Pietrus does lead the Magic with 11 pts on 4 of 4 shooting
…along with 2 TOs.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions
Why take 3's?
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Sheed is maaaaad
I remember that well from the Detroit days
And that was a tough call
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
That was weak.
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lol@ Shard not respecting Sheed's 3
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Make a free throw
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
HORRID 2nd quarter
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
3 pt lead? I'll take it, but I don't like we got to this point.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Well, it was sloppy as hell, but I got my wish for a close game.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Celtics outscore Magic 27-14 in the second
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions
Defense.
Boston’s D in the second quarter was excellent.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Game of two halves
lulz
Whatever was wrong with the Cellicks in the first quarter, we caught it in the second.
Had to know Boston would get on a run.
Not going to be an easy victory for Orlando. Have to earn it.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
No he didn't.
This is BOSTON, a team that’s going to make its run regardless of the personnel.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
No, I slightly agree with Andeezy. Stan left the bench WAY too long in the game, there was only VC in there for alil bit with them, there shouldve been Rashard back too at the very least. Everything else can be pointed to Magic defense and a few turnovers. Celtics have picked up their D alittle bit but their FTs are getting them back in the game. The Magic need to keep making sure the Celtics dont see an offensive splurge and then the Magic themselves need to have one more offensive run.
Like I said, I'll give you Anthony Johnson but that's it.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I really believe he did
We were so hot the guys were playing with confidence Dwight had 7 rebounds in the 1st quarter Pietrus and Lewis was playing well actually everyone then to begin the 2nd quarter out comes Anthony Johnson, Gortat , playing with these guys Vince tried to do too much and end up taking bad shots by the time the stars came back they lost all their steam
I'll give you Anthony Johnson, but that's it.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I thought the first quarter was by far the Magic's best quarter, so far, in the regular season.
The execution on both ends of the floor was nearly flawless.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Right
…but the Magic really cooled off in the second quarter.
10 first half TOs is not good, either.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the turnovers aren't good.
Had to figure Boston was going to ratchet up its effort, defensively.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Magic shoot 4 for 18 in the second quarter
…and are shooting 43% for the game compared to Boston’s 33%.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions
Its Stan's Faults
The guys were playing well ….then the starters were on the bench for too long in an important game like this
LOL, it's not his fault.
He has to play his bench, which has been outstanding in previous games.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Pietrus with 11, Carter with 10 to lead the Magic
…but VC is only 4 of 12 shooting.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions
It Is
He saw the lead dwindling and instead of calling the cavalry he tries to squeeze an extra minute out of them
No, it's not.
Stop trying to put this on SVG. It’s just a baseless comment.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
If anything, he played Carter for a little too long. . .
Vince seemed to be getting tired out there
I am the world's best basketball player! *
* Among those with no skills whatsoever
I was surprised by that
I would have liked to see Rashard take a few of those second unit minutes at SF.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lewis can't create his shot as good as Carter.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
No
But Carter can’t play the whole 48, so someone’s going to have to provide a little solid offense when he’s on the bench, and Lewis is going to do that the best. Anderson can play the PF a bit with the first unit so I’d like to see some shooting on the second unit when VC sits down.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well, too late now.
I’m sure Stan is going to ride the starters the majority of the second half, barring foul trouble.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Well, he needed a playmaker in the second unit.
That’s understandable.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Especially with AJ not playing well tonight
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He was terrible.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Garnett and Pierce have combined for 15 pts
…on 5 of 16 shooting.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions
lol@ Everyone piling on Stan
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
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I think the Magic need to look for D12 more in the second half
Only 2 shot attempts. He’s split his 6 FTs.
He’s only got 2 fouls, so that’s good.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, especially since Perkins has 3 fouls. Keep him in foul trouble.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
After hitting 7 of their first 8 shots...
…Magic are 8 of their last 27.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions
Damn, it looks like the Cavs are gonna win, and the Raptors 23 pt lead is now down to just 1!
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Hedo's just getting it close
So he can be clutch.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, I need to head out folks.
Hopefully the Magic can execute and come out with a win against the Celtics. It’ll be tough, though.
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Have a good one E
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Melo looking like a hipster
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Yep, too bad he's only make a bad team into a mediocre one.
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They're 6-3
Go 7-3 if they win tonight. I like the Bucks, with Bogut they’ve got a really solid inside/outside game and their good players are young. They still need some work, but the potential’s there.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
The Bucks are going to miss Bogut
He’s out about a month… he was averaging 16 pts and 8 boards.
Redd is coming back, though.
The Bucks may not be as mediocre as you think they are; we’ll see where they are a month from now.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
They might be able to be a decent team, but only if Redd and Bogut can make it through most of a season without being injured.
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That's a big key definitely
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Otis lurks....
lol
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
That's it... go to D12
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions
My favorite kind of Howard free throw...
…the one that comes after he already HAS his 2 points.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Dwight STUFFED by KG . . .
Does Dwight even KNOW what a PUMP FAKE is?
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Going up twice
Gives twice the opportunity to get the ball stripped.
That’s the way VC, drive at Perkins.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
You know, I like to see VC pass.
But maybe we can try something in FRONT of the back for now?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Right... VC and JWill with 5 assists each
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
But VC can't make plays
We’re going to miss Hedo.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
And the tech!
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Hm... Vince is our technical FT guy?
(With Redick on the bench, at least.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
We've struggled defending guards all season
White Chocolate is a lot of things, but he’s no shut down defender.
Luckily Rondo is having a brick city game so far and not being aggressive.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Carter only 4 of 16 shooting tonight
Lewis and Pietrus each with 14 to lead the Magic.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions
Four turnovers for VC too
Not one of his better games.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
His worst in Magic uniform
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's weird -- normally I'd say Vince needs to back off.
And he does on a few of these plays. But he has all those assists, so it’s not like he’s JUST chucking. He’s had bad luck on a few coin-flip layups.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Play more as a decoy?
Keep the ball movement going.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Vince can't make a layup. I don't know what's going on.
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
He needs to finish stronger at the hoop
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Or take care of the ball.
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm getting a little sick of Garnet banging Dwight all the way down the floor, then it being a double-foul.
Lame!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Wet J
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
lol Damn PP kinda worked Vince there
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Here we go Vince
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Don't go, Vince!
Goig has not worked for you so far!
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Come on, Dwight, where's that improved FT shooting at?
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
UNDER PRESSURE
duh duh duh-duh-duh duh
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight has actually gotten WORSE from the stripe . . .
as of late. :(
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
He's streaky
In a bit of a slump right now, maybe.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Dag, PP :/
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Pierce with the superstar treatment.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Pierce initiating contact on Anderson who got shoved into Pierce's path by Garnett. Gotta love NBA officials!
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
This Jackie Moon son of a....
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
He jumped underneath Barnes while he was in the air. That's not a charge.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Will someone please hit Scallabrini squarely in the face . . .
HARD?
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Game's going a bit home court
That’s OK, we just need to work through it and not get frustrated. Good TO Stan.
Magic 11 of 17 on FTs
…Celtics 14 of 16.
"Orlando Magic... 2009 Eastern Conference Champions"
by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions
Yeah and with the way AJ's playing . . .
A thrid pg is lookin mighty necessary!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Barnes!
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Rasheed Wallace just 1 for 8 shooting
…but he does have 6 boards.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions
When Rondo goes out
So he doesn’t have to keep up with his speed.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Barnes is handling things, good D
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
1-11 from downtown
Seriously, keep throwing them up there guys.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
It feels good not having to worry bout Sheed's 3s anymore
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Dont get too excited there Perk...
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
he made that one trick shot lol
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
With all the contact they haven't called the past few times Pierce drove to the basket, THAT is what they decide to call a foul?
Jeesh!
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I thought the NBA does not condone make up calls
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I still think Boston has the edge
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
At least we have Lewis now
Our closer is back
I am the world's best basketball player! *
* Among those with no skills whatsoever
Yep
But it’s there for us if we can grab it, can’t ask for more than that.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
D@MMIT I wish that 3 woulda fell!
OH well, a lead in the Garden going into the 4th is nothing to get mad about!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
looke good in the air
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Magic shooting 42% from the field and just 58% on FTs
…but they are shooting 9 of 20 on threes, while Boston is 1 for 11 from long range.
Celtics shooting just 33% overall.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions
Best defensive team in the NBA
Back in your house, making you miss shots.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Doc Rivers sounds like he took a valium before the interview.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Why in the name of almighty Zeus does VC throw up fadeaway jumpers with no on guarding him?
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
wow, a pick-n-pop involving Dad and Gortat? Not good.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Ugh@ this
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
I just replayed that play, and Scals definitely pushed Ryan into the illegal screen. Home court call FTW!
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Come on VC....
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
How many TO's are we up to now?
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18
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
by Wasabi Steak on Nov 20, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
17
There is no facepalm epic enough for that.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy..
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Magic have been given a GIFT tonight and they are REFUSING to open it!!!!!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
J-Will is officially the only player I trust handling the ball
I am the world's best basketball player! *
* Among those with no skills whatsoever
This is very atypical from Vince
Worst ball handling I can remember from him
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
My goodness... missed FTs and turnovers are killing the Magic
11 of 21 FTs, 18 turnovers.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Carter has 5 turnovers to lead the Magic
…and is only shooting 6 of 20.
He does have 6 assists, though.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply actions
He just doesn't have it tonight.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
SVG's losing his voice.
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Gortat isn't handling the pick-n-role very well!
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Rondo has 6 points, rebounds, and assists. 666. Coincidence? You decide.
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God! These freaking turnovers!
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Marcin is clutch
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
It SWEAR it feels like the Magic players have money on this game . . .
for BOSTON to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Carter needs to be pistol whipped.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
Damn..
"Don't wait to say Im gone to say I was the best"-NaS
Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
Sheed owns Orlando
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Kristin Kreuk is the love
Still miss em: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvgVn0gg1E
These silly Magic turnovers are absolutely maddening
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:20 PM EST reply actions
The Magic have officially THROWN this game AWAY!
This is TOO PAINFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Not for long with this kind of crap play.
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by Diosnomeama on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is the only problem with SVG. He can still fuck up the rotations sometimes. How does he wait till 7mins left in the game to put JWill in? No one comes back in hot on the Magic, so now you have to wait 2 minutes for JWill to get a feel when Sheed and Pierce and Allen are already playing a ton of continuous minutes and have the hot feeling.
He was beat in the third
He had to get his breath back. No point bringing him back if he’s going to be gassed in the last two or three minutes, or if you’re going to have to pull him again.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's called making sure JWill has something left in the tank at the end of the game.
Remember this is only his second start in over a year.
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Magic 10 of 22 on threes, Boston 2 of 16
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, these stupid fadeaways are getting old.
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by Diosnomeama on Nov 20, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Look, a post up for Carter, and now he has 3 more points? Notice the trend, stop shooting so much :P
Unless you think 26 shots to score 24 points is the picture of efficiency. :)
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by Diosnomeama on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Been an inefficient game
Only Lewis and Allen are using it well.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
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by Diosnomeama on Nov 20, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Drives aren't working for him either, though
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Time for the 'Celtics get every call' officiating mode.
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Magic have got to stop allowing so many offensive boards by Celtics
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions
Every time they post up Carter at 15-17 feet, something good happens
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Celtics outscoring Magic 19-12 here in the fourth
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions
The Wallace-Garnett combo is killing the Magic in the fourth
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Maybe he needs to be more assertive
I can’t imagine Stan is calling 20 footers for Carter every time down the floor.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Garnett illegal screenin' like a motha...no call!
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We can't expect that sort of call late in a game, against the Celtics away from home
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
He did it on three consecutive screens in the same possession right in front of the ref. Sometimes you just have to call it.
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It's rule 47b of the NBA book
No calling offensive fouls on the home team in the last two minutes if they’re behind by less than ten.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
See what did I say about posting Carter?
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Two seconds of the clock gone
Face.
Palm.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Double/double for Lewis
15 pts, 10 rebounds
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions
I'm kind of surprised by the lack of Rondo here in the 4th...
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I feel like Carter calling plays = way too many isolations.
Mostly for Carter himself, but those turnovers passing the ball in to Dwight too. Carter needs to learn that the Magic don’t really DO isos.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
What are you talking about? They do whatever works.
This game the most efficient play was a Carter post up.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
The most efficient play was passing the ball and finding the open man.
Which they did for the first quarter, and that’s about it.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Even the Celtics get away from passing the ball towards the end, I agree ball movement is pretty much always the best play in the game, but towards the end, both sides go Allen/Pierce iso’s or set plays and Carter post ups or PR’s. Going into Dwight without creating a TO, Carter iso’s/post ups, PR’s are the Magic’s plays.
I think they did a lousy job of getting Lewis in particular involved.
Also Pietrus — who’s always risky, but he was shooting well tonight. They got nothing down the stretch.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Make these J-Will and it's GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Great Magic D here in the final 3 minutes
…that’s making the difference in what looks to be a great win on the road for the Magic.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions
Games like this are murder on my blood pressure. A win is a win though.
"We got more gongs than the break dancing robot that caught on fire"-Homer J. Simpson
I don't understand what Doc is bitching about. Both teams have received very inconsistent officiating all night, with stretches where the Celts got the benefit on several calls.
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HELL to the Yeah
3rd person Team tactical tonight.
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
Thanks you basketball gods.
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THAT'S GAME BABY!!!!!!! SUCK IT BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This ALMOST makes up for the Cavs game!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
LOL, have some class.
Boston hung in there and fought back like champions.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
It's all just fun E . . . It's not like they can hear me.
Besides if we’d lost I’d be grieving just as emphatically!
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LOL, I hear you.
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WHAT A FANTASTIC DEFENSIVE PERFORMANCE
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Yeah, the Magic's defense was excellent tonight.
Orlando finally getting back to form on D.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Yeah!
I get to go to bed happy!
I am the world's best basketball player! *
* Among those with no skills whatsoever
I'm so tired out...
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
The six turnovers and 10-29 shooting by Carter really kept the Celtics in the game.
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Carter was actually the reason we won
Nobody else could get a good shot for themselves and when the celtics got close that 3 point play really helped. His shooting was off but we needed everypoint and assist he provided
Carter was te reason why we won and why we didnt have a bigger lead going into the last 5 minutes
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, the defense was the reason.
VC was a part of it.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
The Magic survive 41% FG shooting, 58% FT shooting, and 21 turnovers
Celtics shoot just 34 1/2 pct, including 2 of 19 on threes, but were 16 of 18 from the FT line.
Magic finish 10 of 22 on threes.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 PM EST reply actions
This starts off an important little stretch here where we play the Celts, Hedo and the Raps, Heat and Hawks.
We can prove quite a bit this early in the season and regain our division lead.
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Boston never had the lead tonight
…Magic were able to withstand the Boston run throughout the second half.
Carter with 26, Lewis with 16, and Pietrus with 14 lead the Magic.
Magic still a game behind the Hawks in the SE.
Everyone have a nice weekend.
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by Mike from Illinois on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions
I know, it just seemed he was more active than that on the offensive end. I guess going 5-11 from the line doesn't help things.
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We won
Despite 20 turnovers and 11 misses free throws we won on the road against the Celtics despite not shooting well . The defense was the big reason. I think we are headed in the right part
Feels good to beat again those crybabies at their home.
Crybabies or Crysenior-citizens? Anyways I was able to watch the game on tv for once, it was a good one.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Again, have some class.
It’s a good win, no need to pile on.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Nothing against the Celt's fans... just Garnett and Pierce.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
and Perkins, cant forget Perkins.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
No worries, just like to win with class.
Celebrate the win, of course.
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Credit Boston because their defense was superb tonight. Magnificent D from both teams.
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That's all that matters.
Orlando won with DEFENSE, which makes me happy.
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Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Lewis looks fine.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
True.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I think ESPNs box score stats are bit screwy. I'm seeing Jammer with a minus 4 plus/minus even though he didn't play! lol
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GREAT WIN no matter how ugly some parts happened. The Celtics arent there offensively yet this season, but the way the Magic defended, Im done worrying about the Magic not being among the defensively best teams in the league now. The Magic could really work on offense too but they had very good, high level offensive moments too.
That's why I told everyone to wait until he came back.
Now, it’s not JUST Lewis, the team has ratcheted its effort and intensity on the defensive side a ton.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
The difference between Lewis and Ryan/Bass is huge
and I say this as one of Ryan’s biggest fans
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Am I the only one that feels like, I would've blamed Carter had we lost?
He was leading scorer and all, but the lack of intensity from his part during some stretches and some silly turnovers could’ve made us lose the game.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions
Win as a team, lose as a team.
I agree that VC made some questionable decisions, though.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Tough to say.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I think so in the end. Its like Hedo wouldnt have put up those points and Magic wouldve had even worse offensive lulls. You still need a closer, even if he’s inefficient at times.
Yeah, VC can get you a shot. Turk can't.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
He wasn't alone by any means
He just made the most because he had a ridiculous usage rate this game and played 40 min
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
ESPN announcers made a good point there.
Carter has just spent multiple seasons playing for the Nets. He’s not used to not always being the best/second-best option. He doesn’t need to, and in fact shouldn’t, take over the offense singlehandedly. But he’ll learn that.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I didn’t watch the game on ESPN but a valid observation.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
It wasn't a lack of intensity, it was poor ball control
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
He made some poor choices and made some lazy passes though.
I thought Jeff Van Gundy made a good point that Carter developed some very bad habits playing for a bad team the last couple of years and it is going to take some time to break out of them.
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After watching Jason Williams play I realize AJ Johnson is NOT a solid PG
seriously he doesnt belong on a championship caliber team.. Lindsey Hunter he is not
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
That's not fair.
He had a bad game, it happens.
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Yeah, Dad had a poor game.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Eh.
3 assists, 3 turnovers. These things happen. He was all right on Wednesday… he’ll be all right again. And then a month from now he’ll be back on the bench, so it probably doesn’t matter too much.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
The thing that kills me about AJ is how much the Magic slow with him on floor, if it was Jameer or Jason, the pace would still be there.
Or any young play off the street
this is exactly why we needed to get younger at the 3rd PG position. It really doesnt matter most of the time because he’s not gonna play but you take em to develop them. We already have the stable vet in Williams. AJ does nothing for us in the future or the now
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
And he won't when Nelson gets back, so stop freaking out.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Im not freaking out guy
Im merely stating the fact the Magic are wasting their time and money on AJ.. We are having to rely on Aj for a month and that is not good
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
He had a bad game, give him a break.
Boston’s defense doesn’t make too many players look good.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
You admitted you weren't watching.
His turnovers were pretty rotten. Intercepted lazy cross-court passes he unnecessarily through in/through traffic. I like AJ, but he looked bad tonight. And it was the decision making, not the C’s defense.
by magicfaninTN on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
And I guess you said you didn’t watch on ESPN. Sorry
by magicfaninTN on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
I watched on Sun Sports.
I don’t watch ESPN, at all. Yeah, I said it.
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by erivera7 on Nov 20, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah -- he had one kind of bad game against arguably the best defensive team in the league.
I mean, it’s been a whole TWO DAYS since he was an effective backup. What is going on with this guy?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
He had a bad game against Eddie House....
my point has just been made
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe lack of intensity wasn't what I was going for...
… more like defeating body language. It’s also true that sometimes he was the total opposite and looked like he wanted to kill someone with his eyes. hehehe
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lack of intensity isn't the right phrase.
Question VC’s decision-making, sure, but don’t question his intensity.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I wouldn't say "lack of intensity"...
…but I would say “not knowing how to adapt his play to a game with such a high level of intensity.” He was intense, he just wasn’t in sync with the rest of the game a lot of the time — it’s not like he was moving at half speed, but he was expecting everyone else to be moving at half speed.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
*shrugs*
It’s been a while since he’s been in the big stage. VC will adapt.
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*on the big stage
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Oh, I agree he will.
Just saying.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Yeah, his decision-making was questionable.
I wouldn’t say it was a lack of intensity, though.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
the lack of intensity is shown when he just launches the bad jumper's
Granted Hedo did that last year but Carter does it at a larger rate
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
That isn't lack of intensity, though, just bad decision-making.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Did Hedo have any game where he took 29 shots last year?
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No.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Please Talk to Stan
Just tell Stan that sometimes even during a sizeable lead its best to bring the starters back especially when they are on a roll it maintains the momentum and would be better to provide the knock out blow not substituting the guys that got the lead for guys that are cold especially against the Celtics starting lineup
Yes, I agree. He was just good enough tho. If you factor in some poor Celtics shooting, particularly from Sheed, with VC playing bad many moments, it was an ugly game. Luckily I believe VC had enough good moments to improve upon it greatly, also the Magic can improve some of the turnovers and offensive lulls with Jameer back. I feel pretty good for the Magic in general regardless.
Yeah, I'll take it.
Not sure about our decision-making/play-calling at times, but of COURSE that’s a work in progress, especially with the lineup changes/injuries. We’ve won three of our last four games with superlative defense.
(And the fourth with not-being-the-Bobcats.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Like letting Rashard Lewis get dominated by Rasheed Wallace on the boards
SVG almost blew the game by keeping that lineup in.. Where the hell was Brandon Bass this game? You telling me he cant guard wallace or Garnett???
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bass wouldn't have helped matters, there.
He’s not a better rebounder than Lewis, either.
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I would give an edge to Bass. At least against Sheed, seeing as Lewis was tossed around like a rag doll.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Still need Lewis to spread the floor.
Bass can’t put the same pressure on offense.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Lewis had 10 rebounds in 36 minutes. Wallace had 13 rebounds in 34 minutes.
I feel certain things are being blown out of proportion.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
When the game mattered most Wallace dominated Lewis on the glass
this is a little window of playoff basketball.. When Wallace wants to play Rashard cant handle him
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're overreacting off of one game.
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or I am going by what we've seen
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the part of what we've seen where Lewis pulled down 10 rebounds.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Yep, that one play where Sheed got those offensive boards invalidates the other 47 minutes and 30 seconds.
That much having been said, I do agree the Magic need some kind of rotation plan so when (for example) Garnett goes to the wing and Sheed goes in, Howard is the guy guarding the inside guy and not the guy guarding the outside guy. But that much having been said, I want Lewis in that game before either of his backups.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Adjustments will be made next game, I'm sure.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I guess its not popular here to look ahead but if Wallace makes anything from beyond the arc then
he wins that matchup big time versus Rashard. I saw him miss alot of open 3’s tonight. We need to play them bigger, enough said
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
And the Magic had 20 turnovers (most unforced), missed 11 free throws, etc.
Both teams missed chances, not just the Celtics.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
its a good thing basketball is a team game
or we would lose a lot more games
Well, then, we have two options.
We can play Gortat at PF, or we can play Barnes. They’re the only non-Howard players we have who are better defensive rebounders than Lewis.
Or we can just play the guy who’s going to MAKE Wallace miss threes, and (as an added bonus) isn’t going to ruin our offense.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Wow, we have a better road record than the Celtics have at home.
I know it’s early, but that’s an interesting little stat.
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I thought J-Will did a good job of managing the game.
Plus his defense was very, very solid. Made some great hustle plays.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
THIS.
I was really bummed when we lost out on CJ Watson but J-Will has FAR surpassed my expectations!
He’s basically a better Rafer with a MUCH better shot!
Sigh . . . Now I need new AVATAR!
Too bad he couldn't get it into the post. Excellent denying by Wallace, Perkins, and Garnett
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was more them than Williams.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
he needs to work on his contested layups though
missed a couple of gimmies but overall he had a great game.. loving this signing
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
A few of them just rimmed out.
He’ll be okay.
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i guess I'm spoiled Nelson makes those in his sleep
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else feel like the Magic and their new found defensive intensity are trying to send a message to SVG?
I mean since the “talk” we’ve seen 2 consecutive good defensive efforts by them which is probably more than they’ve had all year.
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I don't think they're sending a message, just waking up.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
No way, Ryan was out there to spread the floor and he made some buckets out there.
Plus Anderson’s defense is better, at this point, than Bass because he understands the scheme better.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
is that why bass blocks shots and ryan does not
by magicman775 on Nov 20, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bass' defense has been unremarkable at best so far.
Anyway, look at the game. Even if we accept the premise that Bass is a defensive upgrade over Ryan (which I don’t), did the Magic need more defense in that game, or more offense?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
its crazy to me that you guys think anderson plays better d than bass.
anderson is a liability on d. as bass is on offense cause he cant spread the floor.
by magicman775 on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well, be honest, you're biased towards Bass.
Let’s be real here. That’s not a bad thing, per se, but still.
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bass has missed a lot of rotations
he has been the most shakey person we have had on defense, especially Pick n roll defense, usually if it involves brandon, the other team ends up with a wide open layup.
Bass is a liability on D at this point.
Somewhat more talented as an individual defender, but less capable of fitting himself into the Magic’s defensive scheme. That will probably change with time and practice.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Which is not to say that Anderson is a great defender or anything.
He has a lot to work on too. But at least he stays in his spot and makes his opponents beat him… Bass has had huge issues with getting out of position.
Overall, I’d call the comparison a wash on defense, which means that I’d rather have the better scorer and rebounder out there. And that’s Anderson.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Anderson was not ready for this game
I guess being on bad teams they really arent prepared for the intensity level… which is why Cleveland steam rolled us I guess. Anderson had a terrible game that night as well… Come on Ryan you gotta grow up sometime
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Eh. He shot 2-5.
He had a bad game… I think “terrible” is a bit harsh. This is the Celtics. They’ve made a lot of good players look bad — it’s kind of their thing.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
How is it that this early in the season, there are teams like the Bucks that have only played 9 games all year and the Magic have played 13?
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Quirky scheduling.
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It's weird though. Most teams have played between 11-13 games, but then I see the Bucks who have only played 9. Odd...
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It's 10 now malars
Bucks beat Bobcats tonight.
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Ah, well, that isn't as out of whack as I thought.
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Everybody plays 82 malars
That’s what ultimately matters.
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Dude, I understand that, all I was saying was how one team could be so out of whack with the rest of the league.
MOST teams have played 13 games as of tonight and we are less than a month into the season. I just think it’s odd that this early in the season, there are already some of these odd scheduling quirks.
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I hear Disney World is in Orlando
Is that true? :P
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Maybe Bobcats doesn't count as a game?
Bucs: Raheem will become relevant when his actions speak louder than his words. Gators: National Champions! Magic: Stop getting injured!
It balances out over 82 malars
the Magic will get their days off. Every team does. The Kings have had several nice stretches themselves early too.
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Later, bud.
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See ya next game.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
This game I lived in total fear that Wallace would finally sink a 3pointer at the worst possible time.
Thankfully, it the comedy had a happy ending.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I was paranoid as well.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I still feel so stressed. I need a 2 hour wind down period. I was just waiting for Sheed and House to hit a reasonable percentage.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
good closeouts
and they missed some open shots too, but then again everyone does
Hopefully we'll see more Carter post ups in the coming games.
It’s the easiest way for him to score
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Word is Jameer might be back for the team's road trip in early December, barring no setbacks.
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Wow that is really early
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Well, Nelson is a fast healer.
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I've seen you mention that often
And that is very fast healing by any definition.
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It'd be three/four weeks.
Even Will Carroll was surprised by the diagnosis of 4-to-6 weeks so who knows.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Maybe I should go through and read all the fine print from that Q&A you did with him
I’ve been a bit out of it and it’s hard to process Magic news like that.
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Yeah, check it out.
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I'll get around to it
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I hope he doesn't rush it.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 20, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he will.
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Awesome, that would mean there might be a possibility of a complete roster for the Raptors game, which will be my first home game in attendance this season!
Woo! Hoo!
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Most likely someone alraeady made this comment, but:
The Magic won without Jameer and Boston had KG back… puts in perspective some comments from last year’s playoffs made because of the absence of both players.
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions
Well, this was a regular season game in November and that was a playoff series.
Also, there have been a few changes in the rosters since then. Can’t really look too much into it.
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Different teams.
Last years playoffs need to be laid to rest.
by TragicMatt on Nov 20, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Boston players didn't get that memo ;P
just kidding
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by North of the South on Nov 20, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well said & rec'd
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The Magic's roster is much more capable of playing and winning without Nelson this year.
Just let it go.
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LOL, not just him, it's Carter, Anderson, Barnes, etc.
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This was a game we could improve greatly on
The next time we face them if we minimize the turnovers and improve free throw shooting we should be ok once more
Yup, I agree.
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Alright, I need to head out and enjoy the evening. Have a good night, everyone.
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Night.
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Vince
So much talent – so little intensity – he scored well tonight but he could be so much better.
Correction
Carter made some key shots down the stretch (not scored well overall) but again he can and hopefully will show more intensity.
What is people's obsession with Carter's intensity? Good grief.
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Especially in November
I think Magic fans should be happy that the Magic won tonight.
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Maybe it's his body language between plays
he just looks ….. lethargic is the best way I can describe it
quick somebody give that man a 12 hour energy shot
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 21, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Not really.
Going into tonight, Sheed was 22-70 from beyond the arc. The most recent ESPN headline about Sheed is how Doc Rivers told him to shoot fewer threes. This is an ongoing issue for the guy.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
So much worrying after a game we won.
Listen. We didn’t look great all the time out there, but that’s what the Celtics do, isn’t it? They force turnovers, they make people look bad. We were missing our point guard, our backup (who was retired just a few months ago) was starting, we’ve played 8 starting lineups in 13 games. Ultimately, the team played some tough defense, and they overcame the Celtics’ overwhelming pressure just enough times to win. We’ll look more organized eventually — for now, I’ll take the win.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
I'm not give the win to Boston... that'll show us
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
What the heck happened to Pietrus after the 1st quarter
he was hitting EVERYTHING in the first half.. Did we all of a sudden forget about him in the offense. If VC gives Pietrus 10 of those 29 shots I guarantee this game wouldnt have been so close
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Foul trouble. Had 4 fouls in the third quarter.
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Ahhh I see.. damn so gets into foul trouble in the 3rd and then is forgotten in the 4th
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
It happens, not his fault.
The fourth foul was questionable, at best.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
No doubt a victim on Paul Pierce's head flail's
seriously 90% of his game is jumping into the opposing player and flailing
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 20, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
If you went out & stabbed Paul Pierce 12 or so times
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t be available for the next game. Try it.
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Wow you are Dark!
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 21, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
No I'm losing my farmer's tan
Damn clouds.
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I'm going to run my mouth a bit (as I tend to do) and I'm going to take a wild guess how this game went despite only listening intermittengly on the radio and looking at the score (I also saw the 1st qtr)
Magic got up big until about the first 3 mins of the 2nd qtr. (When I stopped watching unfortunately. Damn multiple team fandom…) Anyway, Orl got lazy with their shot selection and ball handling. By this time, Boston found themselves in a rhythm, and muddied up the game as they do.
The Magic lost their way for awhile, right before the half, and knew they were in for a knock em drag em out fight. They brawled with an old experienced fighter in a lateish November game and won. Does it mean anything come May? No. But when you string together wins not playing at your best you do well in this league. Seems to me Orlando did that tonight.
One other observation: Orlando was more efficient tonight, the eFG% was nearly 10 percentage points better, the FT/FG was slightly in Orl’s favor (probably another reason they won), the ORB% was in Boston’s favor (when you brick a lot of shots that’ll happen) and the TOV% was won by Boston.
You can improve on Turnovers. You can improve your shots you take I suppose if you get better offensive talent or your best offensive talent performing better. I’ll take the fix of the Magic (handling the ball better and bringing out smarter ball handling) over the fix of the Celtics (getting higher quality shots for Allen, Garnett and Pierce to negate what Rondo & Perkins don’t do offensively).
I know that’s not quite the problem tonight as there were open shots (alot of them) missed by the C’s. I know some of my assessment will be off.
But, IT’S NOVEMBER! The Magic are going to have target’s on their back all season, and there will be games where they win in an ugly fashion. Obviously everyone at 3QC wants the Magic to dominate all the competition. It’s not the reality of the way the NBA has worked. I’m impressed that the Magic have not steamrolled most of their opponents yet (and the schedule has been pretty soft so far for Orlando) but are managing to figure some of this out.
If the Magic were 7-6 I’d be greatly concerned. They are 10-3 after tonights win. That puts them up with everyone else. The only team with a better record is Atlanta, and they’re 11-2 after tonight’s win vs Houston. I’m not saying that you can’t note problems, but jeesh it’s like everyone is looking to figure out how to fix the team of all it’s ill’s. Last I checked, Boston is a pretty good team themselves. Don’t the C’s deserve a bit of credit?
Key Word of the day: Relax. < / rant >
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