Regarding Vince Carter's Jump-Shot-Happy Ways
Note: all statistics in this post are current based on games played before November 18th, 2009; it was written prior to the Orlando Magic's game against the Oklahoma City Thunder last night.
When the Orlando Magic traded for Vince Carter this summer, they did so to add his scoring punch and late-game reliability. Coach Stan Van Gundy said as much during Carter's introductory press conference:
I think with Vince, you can give him the ball anywhere on the floor and he can isolate and create a shot either for himself or a teammate on his own. Plus, if you look at the numbers like we do all the time and I don’t think that he’s got enough credit for this, Vince has been throughout his career, one of the best fourth quarter and end-of-game guys in this league, in terms of production. He’s been a guy that has always come through down the stretch in games. I think that’s huge.
With a career scoring average of 23.5 points per game headed into the season, and coming off a season in which he averaged 20.8 points, Van Gundy's assessment was reasonable. With the Magic, Carter's averaged a career-low 17 points per game, which sounds bad until one considers he's averaging a career-low 28.9 minutes per game as well. However, he's been a solid addition so far, mostly for his off-the-charts three-point shooting percentage of 44.2%. And he's already come up big in a key situation, drilling the clinching three-pointer earlier this week against the Charlotte Bobcats.
Anecdotally, Carter has avoided driving the ball to the basket in recent seasons, preferring instead to shoot from the outside. He's thus earned a reputation for laziness, not to mention softness; this quote from an NBA scout has become a favorite among Carter detractors:
"I bet no player in the history of the league has gone to the locker room and come out again more than Vince Carter. In the history of the league."
I've found many of these accusations unfounded. After all, Vince still drives the ball to the basket authoritatively, and although he indeed makes relatively frequent visits to the locker room, he's missed only 16 games combined in the last 5 seasons before this one.
Unfortunately, this year he's playing into both stereotypes, as the data below the fold will illustrate.
| Foul-Drawing and Shot-Selection Statistics for Vince Carter, 2005/06-2009/10 NBA Seasons | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Season | Foul- Drawing Rate | FTA/36 mins | %Jump | Jump eFG% | %Inside | Inside eFG% | Usg Rt |
| 2009/10 | 4.8 | 2.9 | 84 | 56.0% | 16 | 37.5% | 26.4 |
| 2008/09 | 10.4 | 5.0 | 75 | 47.2% | 25 | 45.8% | 26.8 |
| 2007/08 | 11.3 | 5.2 | 67 | 46.2% | 33 | 55.9% | 25.6 |
| 2006/07 | 12.1 | 6.6 | 66 | 46.4% | 34 | 58.0% | 30.8 |
| 2005/06 | 13.3 | 7.4 | 67 | 43.0% | 33 | 55.6% | 32.3 |
| Statistics from Basketball-Reference.com and 82games.com | |||||||
Indeed, Carter's foul-drawing rate and per-minute-adjusted free-throw attempts have declined in each of the last 4 seasons, which coincides with an increase in jump-shot attempts. There are two ways to interpret these data: he's gotten lazy, or he's adapted his game to compensate for his waning athleticism. And it's not as though he's driving less frequently because he's taken on a secondary role in the offense, as his usage rate is still quite high. In fact, among all players who have played at least 200 minutes and who have a usage rate of at least 26, only Bobby Brown averages fewer free-throw attempts per 36 minutes than Carter does.
The obvious asterisk here is that it's still early in the season, so there are fewer data points here compared to prior seasons. The fact that he's recovering from a sprained ankle suffered in the second game of the season may also explain his heavily increased reliance on the jumper; he may return to form once his ankle returns to full health. But even in the season opener, jumpers comprised 8 of his 12 shots. He went 1-of-3 inside and drew one pair of free throws, which indicates that his ankle probably isn't the only contributing factor to his increase in jump-shot attempts.
Regardless of why he's driving to the basket less often, it's clear (at least to me) that he needs to correct that tendency during Jameer Nelson's extended absence. Orlando will need to fill-in Nelson's production somehow, and Jason Williams can't do it himself; Carter and Rashard Lewis figure to see more touches with Nelson out. Carter won't continue to shoot the lights out for the whole season, so he'll need to find other ways to be effective. Earning free-throw attempts, and finishing at a better rate inside, will go a long way toward ensuring that the Magic's offense stays afloat with Nelson sidelined.
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great piece and I agree
Regardless of why he’s driving to the basket less often, it’s clear (at least to me) that he needs to correct that tendency during Jameer Nelson’s extended absence.
VC needs to continue to drive, this will open up easy dunks and lay-ins for Dwight..
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So we lose a jump-shooter, and Vince -- who's done well on jump shots -- needs to shoot LESS of them?
If anything, I want Vince shooting more from the outside, both because that goes to replace some of Jameer’s outside shooting, and because the Magic are better when the four non-center players look for the open three first.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Nov 19, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
quite a few of his shots have not been wide open
but he was more aggressive in last night’s gave in taking the ball to the basket, which was good because he can be a good catalyst for drive/kick options
by MagicMark on Nov 19, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Carter can continue to do what he did last night, I'll be satisfied.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope
He just needs to shoot more overall, especially with Jameer out.
The jump shots open up when you go to the hole, guys sag off if they are afraid you will blow by them..
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's the waning ability.
Maybe Carter was so athletic that he never really need to learn how to use picks, unlike Hedo, who was great at using the pick to turn the corner and get to the paint. Carter, for the few games I watched this season, almost never looked to drive to the basket coming off picks, but either jack up a 3 or hand the ball over the the PG if the defender caught up to him.
Actually I think the ankle sprain spooked him a little as well, maybe he fear getting injured.
by pcnyc on Nov 19, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The ankle sprain didn't help matters, no.
But I think you’re starting to see Vince attack the basket more as each game goes by.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Now that SVG gave him the green light, I expect to see VC go for his.. He is like a boxer, just feeling out his opponent. Trying to see how he fits.
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...Vince needs to drive more...but...
Howard is the player who I’m more concerned about. He’s been “off” this season for whatever reason. So far, I haven’t seen much improvement to his offensive game. He is a step slow on defense (contributing to early foul trouble in almost every game), and his free throw shooting is still atrocious. It’s only 12 games into the season, so there’s no need to panic. But, I hope he decides to pick things up pretty soon. The Magic’s season rests on his shoulders. Even in his mediocrity, the Magic are a playoff team. But with his dominance (especially on defense), they are title contenders.
by MightyMouth on Nov 19, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not to mention he cries after every no-call
i understand his frustration but seriously, his whining needs to stop. its just going to get worse if he keeps being such a baby every game. if i was a ref, i would make it a point to get him in foul trouble if i had to deal with his incredulous faces and hissy fits every time i whistled him for a foul.
by Snyde on Nov 19, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say give Dwight some time.
It’s been hard for him to dominate in games because of foul troubles. I’m sure it’ll all sort itself out.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he has to be smarter
some of the fouls have been the ticky-tack variety, but it seems like he gets a “blocking” foul every game which is usually the foul that takes him out of the game (like forcing a guy to the sideline and then still moving while he runs into him)
by MagicMark on Nov 19, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, he needs to be smarter.
I’m just saying that it should sort itself out.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Not impressed with D12 at all. He talked about how hard he worked this summer, I expected to see a postive difference in his game. With that said, it is a long season, and we need to peak 60 games from now. so, I am not to worried.
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's shooting 67% from the field...
…and averaging as many points per minute as he did last year. 67%! If he keeps that up, that DEFINITELY qualifies as an offensive improvement. And I think we’re seeing this on the court — those five-foot jumpers and hook shots he used to miss all the time last year? He’s making a lot of those.
As for his rebounding, he averaged .386 rebounds per minute last year, and .349 per minute this year. Not sure about pace stats or anything, but I’m going to say that’s within an acceptable margin of error, especially given that the rebounding cast around him in the first ten games is an improvement over last year. Not that Anderson or Bass is a brilliant rebounder, but they’re both better, or at least more focused on doing it, than Lewis. And Barnes is also a credible rebounder at SF, who’s averaged 1.5 more boards a game in 8 fewer minutes than Hedo did last year. So I’d say a 10% decrease in per-minute boards is entirely reasonable. (Let’s see what happens with Lewis back.)
Yeah, he’s still a mediocre free throw shooter. That’s not great, but it’s not new.
If you ask me, the only problems he’s REALLY having are a) not blocking as many shots as last year, and b) getting in foul trouble. And we’ll have to look at the stats, but that first one could be a LOT of things. Maybe players are increasingly focused on not shooting over him this year. Maybe he’s giving up going for massive block totals in favor of improved floor defense. (Dwight’s one real weakness as a defender last year was his occasional over-eagerness to block shots; he got fooled more than a few times.) Maybe last year’s totals were a fluke; his blocking this year has been in line with ‘07-’08’s numbers.
And maybe he’s not chasing a bunch of blocks because he’s been in foul trouble, and going up for the block is a great way to pick up another foul. No, wait, definitely that one.
Seriously, if he stops getting in foul trouble, I think we’re set. And there have been games where he’s picked up stupid fouls, and games where the refs have made some pretty questionable calls. Either way, it’s the one real thing that really needs to change.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Nov 19, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dwight's offensive stats have been just fine.
And Howard’s improved ability to pass out of the post has benefitted the offense. Since you asked about rebounds, as I stated in my post earlier in the week, Dwight’s total rebound percentage is 20.7%, last year it was 21.8%, so there’s nothing out of line with his numbers in that category. In fact, despite the foul troubles, Howard leads the NBA in defensive rebound percentage (29.3%). Again, nothing out of line with his numbers in that category. All in all, the only issues I see are the same ones – lack of blocks and too many fouls. Dwight can fix both “problems” easily, but it depends on his defensive strategy, more than anything else. As you pointed out, one weakness of Howard has been his over-eagerness to block shots out of the planet so that could be a reason why his numbers have regressed just a tad.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll add that Dwight's Offensive Rating is 120 right now, far better than his ORtg of 113 last year.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where was that vs. Detroit and OKC ??
Those are teams we should blow out.
I get the Cleveland loss, he picked up quick fouls..
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Games aren't played on paper, unfortunately.
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by erivera7 on Nov 19, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking
This could be a SVG problem, but Dwight should be averaging 30 pts a game shooting 67% from the field. I know we won last night, but Dwight should have more than 7 attempts. I know D12’s been in foul trouble, but he needs to flex his dominace, he does that, and we win the championship. He continues to put up great per minute stats, but doesn’t dominate, and will not win the championship.
We have a dominate center who isn’t playing dominate..
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by Wmillion on Nov 19, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's averaging the same number of points per minute that he did last year.
I mean, sometimes Dwight just isn’t where the shot is at. It’s easy to say, “he should get more shots”, but does he HAVE more shots? Is he in a good position to get those shots? Because that’s the real question. If he’s only in position to score 7 times in that game, well, he’s going to take 7 shots. (Remember he only played 18 minutes yesterday — early foul trouble + late blowout.)
Or he’s going to take 12 shots, get fouled on five of them, and end up with 7 FG attempts.
Or whatever.
Especially with post players, you can’t make up scoring opportunities that don’t exist. If Dwight’s not open, you can’t run more plays for him; you just have to accept that he’s not open. And if Dwight’s not open, it frequently means he’s being double-teamed, so odds are someone else IS open. Find that guy. Dwight doesn’t get the points on that, he doesn’t get the assist, but he’s still influencing the offense.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Nov 19, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I stick by my statement
If Dwight doesn’t become more dominant we will not win a championship.. For whatever reason he isn’t getting the opportunities.
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by Wmillion on Nov 20, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's getting just about exactly as many opportunities as he had last year.
(On a per-minute basis.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Nov 20, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff. Someone needs to tell VC he has the star reputation to get put on the line alot, even if he gets blocked more, so put on some tapes of Hedo’s driving last year and it’ll show VC how silly Hedo looks and yet his FTA were big to pick up offensive team lulls and establishing a personal inside threat presence.
by derekk on Nov 19, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice post.
Our offense works best when it runs on three levels: In the deep post, behind the three point line, and in penetration. (We have secondary looks, like the mid post, that also help.) Having all three threats keeps defenses off-balance. Last season, Hedo and Jameer provided the penetration threat (the latter often penetrating, dancing, and then knocking down the mid-range jumper). Especially now that Jameer’s out, Vince needs to mix in some drives.
As for Howard, he has one immediate, solvable problem: Staying out of foul trouble.
by gift of the magi on Nov 19, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not true at all...
The Magic have a whole new team, with different weapons at different positions. In this teams’ strategy, NO ONE has to score 30 points, like lets say… the Lakers. And given the time spread per player, I’d say it will be hard to do so, when ALL players are contributing, like yesterday.
If Dwight controls his foul rate and is able to pay 30-38 minutes per game, he should be able to net 20-24 points, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks and 4 assists per game. Now, Carter and Lewis, even Anderson, might score a bit more… but it will be rare to see a 30+ pointer… the Team doesn’t need it!
by manny55 on Nov 20, 2009 1:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he needed to score 30; I said he needed to get his points in a different way, because he's not going to shoot this well the whole season.
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by Ben Q Rock on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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