Jameer Nelson to Undergo Arthroscopic Knee Surgery
by erivera7 on Nov 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST
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PrintVia the Orlando Magic:
Orlando Magic point guard Jameer Nelson will undergo arthroscopic surgery Wednesday morning to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee.
Nelson was injured in the fourth quarter of Monday night’s game vs. Charlotte and underwent an MRI Tuesday morning.
It is estimated that Nelson will be out four-to-six weeks following the procedure.
The injury bug just hit a little harder.
Jason Williams will presumably be the starter in the short-term, with Anthony Johnson as the back-up. As for Jameer Nelson, one has to hope for a safe and speedy recover for him. Luckily the injury isn't serious and the Orlando Magic will have its All-Star point guard back in roughly a month's time or so.
UPDATE: A little more analysis.
If there's one good thing to take away from the news, it's that the Magic aren't foreign to playing without Nelson. Orlando had to play without Nelson for half the regular season last year, as well as the majority of the postseason so this isn't uncharted territory for all parties involved. But is Jason Williams fit and ready to take on starter's minutes for a brief period of time? Who knows. Johnson should be okay as a back-up, as he proved to be a reliable player in that role this past season, but there are question marks with him. Should we expect the same production from Johnson? Who knows.
Whatever the case may be, one might expect the Magic's offense to revert back to how it was when Nelson was hurt last year. Instead of the ball being in the hands of Hedo Turkoglu a lot, especially in the pick & roll, it's now Vince Carter who may assume responsibility a bit more. Also, think of Williams as a more efficient Rafer Alston who's a better distributor of the basketball. As for the other players, it's not necessarily a bad thing for more shots to be distributed amongst Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass, Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis, and others, given their efficiency. Orlando has the depth and the firepower to withstand Nelson's absence a bit better, from the offensive side of the ball, this season. Likewise, head coach Stan Van Gundy is one of the best coaches in the NBA in adjusting on the fly, as he proved last season.
Defensively, the Magic should be relatively fine. Nelson's defense wasn't good to start the year, so perhaps Williams and Johnson can do better in that regard. Williams has rated well, defensively so far, in the early going (granted, in a reserve role) and Johnson was an above-average defender this past season, so perhaps he can carry his good play on the defensive end this year in the short-term. Just have to wait and see. Williams has been known to be a sieve, defensively, in the past but that was while he had knee problems. Williams has looked good this season, in that regard, so perhaps that won't be as much of an issue as it would have been a few season ago.
Losing an All-Star is always tough and not having as potent of a threat at point guard on offense will hurt a little, but the Orlando Magic should be okay while Jameer Nelson is out. That is, as long as everyone else stays healthy.
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Wow..
This is getting ridiculous.. Does Orlando have to make a move for more depth at PG?
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I don't think so.
This isn’t like last year where the Magic only had 1 point guard. Williams is the starter, Johnson is the back-up. In case of emergency, Carter is the third player on the depth chart.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I like Jameer, but..
He has missed on average 18 games a season. He has NEVER had a complete season. What is, he 27? And he is already missing this kinda time? He missed 40 games last year, and now what – another 4 weeks this year? (15 games?) Grant Hill revisited.
I wouldn't call Nelson another Grant Hill.
That’s a bit extreme.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
82 game marathon...
Boston missed KG for more time last year, we overcome as all good (great) teams do… No worries….OK, little worries
by mike in munich on Nov 17, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Just posted a Fanpost about this
We are getting hit hard with injuries – after relaive health last year (execpt for ’Meer). Antonio Daniels at PG? How about Russell Robinson?
No need for a trade, read my comment above.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Really?
You don’t think that Otis will want to bring in someone to fill the roster spot at least? I’d say at least a free agent off the street. With as many injuries and illinesses our guys have had, I think he would want to….
Maybe a guy as a roster filler but he wouldn't be expected to play.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
God- $#@$#!% %$$#%$#%$#
This is just frustrating.
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We can't seem to stay healthy early in the year. Let's hope we get this all out of our system and are 100% come the All-Star break.
NBA Championship or bust in '09-10!!!! GO MAGIC!!!!
Let's hope.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Are you f'ing kidding me!?!?
I didn’t even realize he got hurt. WTF!!! One game with a complete roster and now we have to wait till 2010 to see them all together again. F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Another gut punch ...
This is becoming all too regular with this team. That said, I trust J-Will with this team, and the fact remains that Nelson was playing awful these past few games. Maybe this short-term change is good. Allow Nelson to get 100% healthy while giving our only true point guard more minutes to help lead a team of scorers. I’d prefer that this damn team be healthy, but we’re in a better situation this time around than we were last season (And I fully expect the team to sign someone — anyone — to help in practice at the very least, but I don’t anticipate a trade.)
Jameer wasn't playing awful, just was a bit off on the defensive end.
Nelson’s numbers have been relatively fine, so far this season.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
10 day contract
Isn’t a 10 day contract for a PG a possible solution? (and a renewal for another 10 day and so on, as much as it can be done).
Or sign Iverson :D
See below.
The “solution” is already on the team, in the form of Jason Williams, with Anthony Johnson as the back-up.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Magic don't need to a sign a guy to a 10-day.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
injuries getting ridiculous
4-6 weeks isn’t terrible though. lets hope this is it knocks on wood
*knocks on wood*
I’m with you there, bud.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Oh it's at least six weeks. I've never seen anyone come back before six.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
The injuries are piling up in Orlando
Maybe it’s time to hire Phoenix’s training staff.
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Who wants to lay odds that Iverson's agent has contacted the Magic?
Well, at least AJ will get some burn now. I’ve been feeling for him this year.
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We don't want this to turn into another Alston-Nelson fiasco
Alston doesn’t really like the idea coming off the bench. Iverson is the same way.
Jameer could be out for the year and I still wouldn't want Iverson coming in
I like Iverson for some teams (he has a lot of heart), but not for the Magic.
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Yeah Iverson on the Magic would be a disaster.
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Vince could slide over to the three, I don't see an issue
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
If you don't see an issue with Orlando signing Allen Iverson, then I don't know what to say.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Yeah no need for AI
but there might be a need for another PG
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I don't think so, not at this moment at least.
Again, this isn’t like last year where the Magic only had one point guard. Jason becomes the starter and Anthony becomes the back-up. Otis Smith said it himself, if this was another season-ending injury, he’d probably explore a trade or such, but it isn’t so that changes the mindset of the team going forward. I say give it some time and if Williams & Johnson can do the job, then Orlando shouldn’t have to make a move with Nelson out.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I was being sarcastic lol.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Solid point E. Signing AI would be stupid and quite honestly pointless.
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We definitely have the depth to offset this...
The only real concern is the complacency the Magic have been saddled with during stretches of games. Hopefully this is the kick in the pants they need (and not an excuse).
We have the talent to overcome Jameer’s injury—-let’s see the effort.
by Stan in a Van (Down by the River) on Nov 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions
I was somewhat glad that the Magic signed Jason Williams for insurance
I was just hoping they wouldn’t have to cash in the policy because Williams is pretty inconsistent at the best of times..
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Like I said in my post, think of him as a more efficient Rafer Alston who's a better distributor.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I agree, and I noted that in my analysis, that Orlando is a bit more "fit" to withstand this loss.
Especially this year, considering the personnel on the roster.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I just heard who Otis is signing!!
Pedro Cerrano! Here’s what Pedro had to say:
“Knees, they are sick. We cannot hit 3-ball. Ankle I spain it very much. 3-ball.. goals are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from goals. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come.”
(With due credit to Russl)
by NC Magic Fan on Nov 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions
Damnit kids!
Eat the wheaties!
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Nov 17, 2009 4:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow, this is the last thing you want to read
Especially with the knee. Memories of Penny Hardaway were sad enough.
Well as E said We have Jason Williams as the PG and certainly Vince, Ryan, Dwight, Rashard can all manage any scoring (get to the basket fellas) but my concern is more for the long term effects. 4-6 weeks this kinda knee surgery is generous.
I dont know if its out of the realm to think he maybe out longer
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Everyone's body is different.
Jameer has proven to be a quick healer so who knows when he’ll be back. As long as he doesn’t rush it.
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BTW Torn Meniscus= What KG had last year.
Thank god we’re stacked
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I believe he had complications though.
Plus he’s on the wrong side of 30. Thankfully Jameer has MANY less miles on his knees than KG.
Damn it.........i'm on the wrong side of 30 too
Never trust a fart
by AB's triple double on Nov 17, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully it's only two months
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he had complications and a ton of tread on those tires.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
I think everyone needs to calm down.
Lol. This is a minor injury. He’ll be out a few weeks. This is why we added depth at every position.
by The Stan 'Stache on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
4 to 6 weeks is a generous recovery for this type of minor surgery. It’s not like an ACL or MCL injury that takes months.
by NC Magic Fan on Nov 17, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
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I LOVE coming home from school to great news like this! :D
*kills self *
Now, my dad had similar surgery about two years ago, and while it took him a while to recover, he’s also 60 and couldn’t afford to miss work. It’s frustrating, to be sure, but as long as Jameer doesn’t rush his recovery AGAIN, things should be fine. I hope. :|
I'm a girl.
Only you can kill yourself then go on talking. . .
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how is that karma?
last time I checked neither the Magic nor Jameer ran over anyone kittens…
I'm a girl.
by TheGiantSquid on Nov 17, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
This guy is a troll. Feel free to ignore him.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Well, Brandon Bass & JJ Redick did actually run over my beloved Muttons while going for a joyride
Muttons was a Cheshire. I guess I cannot totally blame them though; they couldn’t have possibly seen my little kitty run across the road.
It was Marcin Gortat laughing at me later was what really hurt.
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LOL, so random.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Sigh.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. At least Jameer isn’t out for the whole season again ( / crosses fingers )
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Panic? ...NO!
But… Ia hate to say it; but I wrote about it LAST YEAR! Nelson is INJURY PRONE, has been since 2006! I’m not worried about the short term; it’s the LONG TERM that I’m worried. And THAT’S how we should aproach this liability. The MAgic should be able to get two good guards for Nelson… this is the deal. Con’t continue to throw money around with such HIGH RISK players! Like I said before… the clock IS ticking!
It's a minor injury.
I could understand if they’re a series of serious injuries but they haven’t been.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Has Jameer had a string of similar injuries in his joints?
Or they all unrelated?
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He's had at least 3 concussions, the torn shoulder labrum last year, and now this knee thing.
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Those aren't related
I was wondering if he had problems with his knee’s before specifically. (I don’t know how I forgot about his shoulder issue.)
Hopefully he recovers well and this is a thing of the past. Otherwise, Ack.
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Exactly my point. This isn't Bill Walton or Yao Ming's recurring foot problems, you know?
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Two straight seasons missing thirty plus games...
still doesn’t look good
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thank goodness for that (also with that wasn't the case with Walton & Ming; but whatever)
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also wish^
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Minor compared to an ACL tear.
Arthroscopic knee surgery is never “minor.”
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I meant.
Minor compared to a tear in the ACL or the MCL.
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I would be absolutely shocked if Jameer is back before mid January
Knee injuries are really tricky. Look what happened to Gilbert Arenas. All of that started with a torn meniscus.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
As long as he's back sometime during the season, that's all that matters.
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Wow
this sucks. The Hawks are playing really well right now so Orlando is going to have to really fight to stay at the top.
When is Gortat able to get traded? Dec. 15? And our trade exception is 6 million right?
I don’t think they have to trade someone but having AJ and a guy who didn’t play last year and who is 34 years old is a bit scary.
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It's scary and a rightful concern, but I say let things play out.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
Gortat?
I’d say that if a trade were to be made, Bass would go before Gortat. Really, I’m trying not to be negative about Bass. He’s a good player. But Gortat is part of the rotation. He’s not really replaceable; not counting Foyle, we only have one center. We have two PFs ahead of Bass on the depth chart.
I’d also say Pietrus might go before Gortat. I am trying to be negative about Pietrus, though.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
I agree w/ you on Bass. It would not surprise me if they dealt him this year or next.
Or, I’ll put it this way: I would be surprised if he plays out his contract.
Pietrus is trickier. He makes boneheaded mistakes sometimes, but Stan still regards him as the team’s best perimeter defender.
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WOW
Already talking about trading Bass or Pietrus. It’s that bad? There is one complete game with the full roster and one player goes down and certain guys are tradeable? Neither of those guys are going anywhere, they prize signings for Otis…especially Pietrus. If there is even a trading block…Redick, Johnson and Gortat are on it. Like it our not, this is the team they are going to make the run with.
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GOD DAMMIT GOLDEN STATE GIVE US C.J. WATSON ALREADY
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Yes, give us CJ Watson and his 0.1 assists per minute.
He’s an EXCELLENT passer… for a shooting guard.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
He's had a better start to the season than Jameer.
And BTW Jameer’s assist % is 27%, Watson 24%.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
How so?
Watson has played 15.3 minutes per game, and averaged 1.6 assists. He’s never run an offense on the NBA level. And yes, maybe he’s failed in part because of the Warriors. But the fact remains, he’s failed. He’s failed repeatedly. It’s one thing to sign him for the minimum and hope he pans out — obsessing over him when he’s under contract with another team is just weird.
(One more thing — his numbers with the Warriors are comparable to those of Acie Law. Are you going to worry about how the Magic don’t have Acie Law?)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
He's loaded with talent and doesn't get enough minutes
“failed?”
What are you talking about, they don’t even give the kid a chance over there. They don’t even run an offense… they just run. They barely play him.
Blake Griffin hasn’t played yet, is he a “failure?”
He has a ONE YEAR contract and then he’s a FA.
Acie Law has had a really good start to the season though.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 17, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Blake Griffin hasn’t played yet, is he a "failure?"
No — but if he does play for two seasons, averages over 20 minutes per game for 116 games, and repeatedly fails, we can talk.
All I’m saying is:
15.3 minutes, 1.6 assists per game
21.8 minutes, 1.8 assists per game
23.0 minutes, 1.8 assists per game
Which of these is a point guard having “a better start to the season than Jameer”? BONUS QUESTIONS: Which one is Corey Maggette, and which one is the 6’11" Andris Biedrins?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
He has a pretty bad assist rate but he’s a better shooter than most every starter PG in the NBA.. He should be lethal with the PR actions, and hopefuly the plays of the system bring out his PG skills around 4-6 assists per. GM Otis was chasing this guy about 2 months ago only..
Yeah, when the choice was between him, Brevin Knight and Tyronn Lue.
And then we got Williams, and that’s worked out.
I mean, last year, Anthony Johnson was a better distributor than Watson was. But I’ll grant you he’s a decent shooter — 7.7 points in 20 minutes, 45% from the field, 39% for three in his career. At Golden State’s pace, that 7.7 is probably a bit inflated, but still.
Still, where point guards are concerned, you have to ask yourself, do you want an Eddie House clone, or do you want a point guard? You know, a guard who plays the point? Because from a strict playing-the-point perspective, J-Will is WAY better. Like, even if CJ is being held back by the Warriors’ system, there are several orders of magnitude between J-Will and CJ in that area.
I mean, that’s the first thing that matters to me. Can the guy run the offense? We can talk about shooting later; if all we needed was a shooter, we could just slot Redick in there. But what’s crucial to me is that the guy can run the offense. And even in the context of the Warriors, there’s barely any difference in assists per minute between CJ Watson, a notorious ball-hog, and a center. I don’t care how disorganized your team is, a real point guard is going to log more assists than Corey Maggette. Case closed.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
He has a 24% assist rate, which is standard for a point guard
You guys keep looking at assist totals, which is meaningless when a guy plays 15mpg.
You guys act like Orlando runs this intricate complicated offense, but it’s not that different from what any other NBA teams do. Same concepts and ideas.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 18, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn't even make sense.
So you’re saying assist totals… PER MINUTE, mind you… are “meaningless” when applied to backups? Because I don’t know why you keep acting like this guy just sees the floor in garbage time. He’s played over 100 games, and averaged over 20 minutes in that time. We have a pretty clear picture of what he can do — granted, it’s a picture filtered through the Warriors’ offense, but still.
You’ll have to tell me what you mean by “assist rate” in this context; I’m seeing a number of statistics around the Internet being defined as “assist rate” or “assist ratio.” To be honest, they all sound pretty shoddy to me, but I want to know what I’m arguing against before I say anything…
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
What? Watson's assist PERCENTAGE is 14%, which is terrible for a PG.
I don’t know where you’re getting 24% from.
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Who gets the ball more, Maggette or Watson, Biedrins or Watson?
Look at usage rate. It matters for stats.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 18, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I sincerely doubt Watson -- the alleged point guard, mind you -- gets the ball less than Biedrins.
Biedrins is an offensively limited center whose only real talent is rebounding. He may get the occasional post play, but he scores most of his points on putbacks and things.
And usage rate isn’t particularly relevant here. All it establishes is that Watson didn’t shoot the ball or turn it over much. Yeah, he probably didn’t. Usage rate only measures how many of the team’s possessions END with the player, not how many times he gets the ball, or anything having to do with assists.
As the alleged point guard, I imagine the ball is in Watson’s hands kind of a lot. (Yes, even on the Warriors…. maybe not as much as for other teams, but still.) I also imagine he passes the ball a lot. And (here’s the sticking point) I don’t HAVE to imagine that very few of those passes end in assists. Because I KNOW that.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
Watson sucks.
He is so 2009 offseason. Let’s move on.
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Otis will probably be going after him hard next off-season too.
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 18, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
You're just obsessed with this guy, aren't you?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
He could be useful to the Magic but in a specific context and role.
If there’s a coach that can get a player to reach his potential, it’s Stan Van Gundy.
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Yeah, and I wouldn't have minded if we had signed him (cheaply) during the offseason.
I mean, with the right guidance, he might someday be better than Anthony Johnson. But to be talking about him midway through the season, when he’s under contract to another team… another team that has refused to trade him, no less…. that seems a bit excessive to me, is all.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
LMAO.
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I have the solution!
I’ll play!
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* Among those with no skills whatsoever
You aren't from Chester PA are you?
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Nope, next state up
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You live in West Virginia?
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Ummm. . . your other up. . . NY :)
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The good thing is he should be back for the season later on and getting to 100% for the playoffs. He just needs to rehab and play it safe. I think JWill can more than hold it down, he’s been proving very very effective lately. Not sure about AJ tho, and maybe 10 day contracts are in the mix for it. Anything else doesnt make sense because itd be for a month and a half only. Only trading for a PG the Magic had on their radar a long time as a permanent Jameer backup cough CJ Watson cough would make sense to me.
Makes me nervous
He didn’t have his swag back from last year. I doubt he is right this year, going to take a while to trust the knee. He was already getting roasted by Mo Williams..
I hope I am wrong, but Jameer is approaching injury prone status. Not his fault, but the facts are the facts.
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As long as Nelson is healthy for the playoffs, that's ultimately what matters.
I think the Orlando Magic can get by without him in the short-term.
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Got word that Jameer will be undergoing surgery tomorrow.
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I would like to hear some medical stuff on what kind of surgery it is. Knee injuries are pretty serious, and Im happily surprised by the rather low rehab time compared to other knee injuries Ive read of. All my best wishes to Jameer’s surgery.
I'll try to e-mail Will Carroll, who's an injury expert, and see if he can chime in with his thoughts.
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That's a rare "best case scenario."
The quickest I’ve seen anyone come back from this is Eddie House in 2 months. And he doesn’t do anything but shoot, so it didn’t effect him as much as it would Jameer,
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by ben_gleicher on Nov 18, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'll have a transcript up tomorrow but Will Carroll says this injury is as minor as they come.
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What's new?
Now the Magic can be officially written off for the season by the national media.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Works for me.
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