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Examining the Orlando Magic's Offense With and Without Floor-Stretching Power Forwards

Tomorrow night, Rashard Lewis will take the court in a meaningful game for the Orlando Magic for the first time since June 14th, 2009. A 10-game suspension to start the regular season due to testing positive for a banned substance has kept Lewis out of action. This 10 games he's missed to start the season exceeds the total number of game he missed in his first two seasons with Orlando combined: he missed one game in 2007/08 with a strained neck, and the final three games last season with knee tendinitis. That's it.

I believe Lewis' durability, and his soft-spoken nature--his official website listed "The Quiet Man" as one of his nicknames prior to its recent overhaul--have conspired to make Magic fans take him for granted. If there's anything the first 10 games of this season have highlighted, though, it's that this team needs him, or a player like him, in order to succeed on the offensive end.

Stan Van Gundy's game-plan since joining the Magic involves surrounding All-Star center Dwight Howard with four reliable three-point shooters. Lewis, with a career three-point percentage of 39.1%, certainly fits this description. The wrinkle is that he, a career-long small forward with the Seattle SuperSonics, has played heavily at power forward in Van Gundy's offense. Naturally, many pundits consider this decision gimmicky. If the Magic had a "true" power forward, one who could "get dirty" and "bang around inside," Orlando would enjoy more success. Thus, when the Magic signed big, burly Brandon Bass this summer, these critics assumed Bass would start at power forward and Lewis would move back to small forward. Nevermind the fact that Orlando had just reached the NBA Finals with Lewis starting 79 games at big forward, and led the NBA in three-pointers made and attempted that season.

With Lewis' suspension, the Magic turned to recently acquired, second-year man Ryan Anderson to start at power forward. Trainer/scout extraordinaire David Thorpe, of Scouts, Inc. and ESPN, told our own Eddy Rivera this summer that he regards Anderson as "Lewis-lite" due to their similar skill-sets. And through the first six games of this season, the Magic posted an offensive rating of 116.7 and an effective field goal percentage of 53.0% with Anderson contributing 15 points, and 2.8 three-pointers, per game. The Magic's offense was coasting until he sprained his ankle, which left Orlando with only Bass to play power forward.

And this is, as I'll show after the fold, where the Magic's offense went off the rails. The three games Bass started in Lewis' and Anderson's absences--before he came down with the flu, comically leaving the Magic with 0 available power forwards on a 13-man roster against the New Jersey Nets--highlighted for me just how important a floor-stretching power forward is to the Magic's offense. So I compiled data from those three games, and from the three games Lewis missed last season, to illustrate the extent to which Orlando's offense suffers when playing "traditionally," or the way most pundits prescribed in the wake of their Finals ouster.

Before showing the results, I want to first define the terms as they appear in the charts below. "Stretch" refers to a starting lineup which included a non-traditional power forward. These lineups include the 160 games Lewis started at that position, 6 from Ryan Anderson, 1 from Hedo Turkoglu, and 1 from Matt Barnes. Classifying Barnes as a "stretch" power forward is a bit dubious, as he's a career 32.6% shooter from long-range. Nonetheless, he's certainly not a "traditional" power forward, which leads me to my explanation of that term: any power forward who doesn't have three-point range. Specifically, that's Tony Battie in his three starts last season, and Bass in three starts this year.

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There are obvious caveats which I'd also like to address: first, that sample size skews heavily toward "stretch": 168 data points for it compared to 6 for "traditional." Second, the three games Battie started were the final ones of last season, in which the Magic had nothing at stake. Third, neither Bass nor Battie has Lewis' level of talent, and any offense will suffer when it subtracts an All-Star and adds two career role-players. Had the Magic replaced Lewis with a "traditional" power forward who also happened to be an All-Star--Carlos Boozer springs immediately to mind--then the results may have been different. Let's bear all these facts in mind when we consider the data.

Here are the Magic's offensive statistics over the last three seasons, split by games with a "stretch" power forward and games with a "traditional" power forward in the starting lineup:

SeasonStarting
PF Type
GPEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
2007/08Stretch82111.253.7%25.623.415.0
2008/09Stretch79112.052.3%25.324.315.5
"Traditional3103.444.5%21.128.112.2
2009/10Stretch7116.753.7%25.025.215.3
"Traditional397.746.8%19.018.914.7

Now here are the same numbers presented by split, and not by year:

SeasonStarting
PF Type
GPEfficiencyeFG%FT RateOReb%TO Rate
2007/08-
2009/10
Stretch168111.853.0%25.423.715.2
"Traditional6100.645.6%20.123.713.4
Difference-11.2-7.4%-5.30.0-1.8

As is readily apparent, the Magic suffer mightily on offense when forced to start a traditional" power forward. Their efficiency drops a shade over 10%; shooting and foul-drawing dips; and only turnovers improve. Oddly, even with "traditional" power forwards--with whom we'd expect to be more successful on the glass--the Magic do not improve on their offensive rebounding, although that fact might be more of a reflection of Van Gundy's strategy of sending four men back after a shot attempt in order to shore-up transition defense.

I also measured the effect starting a stretch power forward had on the team's shot selection. Note that FGA% refers to the percentage of overall shots, while FG% refers to conversion rate.

SeasonStarting
PF Type
GPShot CompositionConversion
2FGA%3FGA%FTA%2FG%3FG%FT%
2007/08-
2009/10
Stretch16849.524.526.151.4%39.4%72.1%
"Traditional656.918.724.446.0%29.7%62.3%
Difference+7.4-5.8-2.1-5.4%-9.7%-9.8%

The Magic shoot much fewer three-pointers when they field a traditional starting five; that much is obvious, because if it weren't I wouldn't have written this post. What's also significant is that they don't shoot nearly as many free throws. As New Jersey Nets coach Lawrence Frank recently explained to the New York Times, the most efficient shots in basketball are, in order: the free throw, the layup, and the three-pointer. In other words, the Magic get fewer attempts at two of the best shots an offense can possibly get when they start a traditional lineup. Worse still, they don't make nearly as many of their two-point attempts. Their offense, in short, becomes a shell of itself. And while they have the pieces to be a top-five defensive team--they led the league in defensive efficiency last year, after all--they'd have to play stifling D every single night to compensate for such an anemic, inefficient offense.

All these data lead me to several conclusions: first, Rashard Lewis is vitally important to Orlando's success on offense. Second, the 21-year-old Ryan Anderson--whose starts comprise 6 of the 7 data points for stretch power forwards this season--figures to be a key player for Orlando this season and in the long-term. In fact, Anderson's impressed Magic fans so much that a plurality of 3QC poll respondents believe he should continue to start even when Lewis returns, which would shift Lewis to small forward.

And that's where I disagree.

Keeping Anderson in the starting lineup leaves the bench fairly bereft of firepower. Guards Jason Williams and J.J. Redick have three-point range, but are inconsistent shooters; ditto for forwards Mickael Pietrus and Barnes. Bass has missed all 11 treys he's attempted in 3773 career minutes, while center Marcin Gortat is 1-for-1 in 1026 career minutes. Conversely, moving Anderson to the bench enables the Magic to play with a floor-spacing power forward for all 48 minutes each game, if they so choose. Nothing but good can come of such an arrangement; Dwight Howard gets room to work inside, while Jameer Nelson, Vince Carter, and Pietrus have lanes through which to drive at their heart's content. The offense would never lag, at least in theory, because it would always have range at four positions. This luxury is one the Magic have never enjoyed. While it's true that they employed three-point specialist power forward Brian Cook for parts of the 2007/08 and 2008/09 seasons, his poor rebounding, defense, and conditioning kept him out of the rotation and prevented him from making a consistent impact. Anderson figures see regular playing time, despite his needing work defensively, and is a superior rebounder to Cook.

So if it were up to me, Nelson, Carter, Barnes, Lewis, and Howard would comprise the Magic's starting five against Charlotte tomorrow night; Anderson would play a key role off the bench. And if it were up to me, we'd all take a moment to appreciate Lewis' sizable role in Orlando's success, and that NBA teams can indeed win big without a traditional power forward.

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I agree AND we need that 'Hustle" guy in the starting 5

I agree wholeheartedly with what is being said here. In addition to Anderson providing that “stretch” element to the second unit it allows for a dive on the floor, get the long rebounds, pester the other team type of player that every team hates to face to be in the starting group. Currently that person is Barnes. He beings it every night even though he has limited skills….he brings his energy. The Magic need his type of player and we need the long range shooting on the second unit….sounds like the ideal arrangement to me.

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by jack32174 on Nov 15, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

I always preferred Barnes starting and Pietrus coming off the bench.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

This is an excellent post.

It will be truly special to see our offensive capabilities when we have a full roster. Defense will come around too once the different players get accustomed to playing/defending with one another.

by MagicMark on Nov 15, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, the defense is going to take time.

It’s getting better, though, and should continue to improve with the return of Rashard Lewis.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

shamelessly stolen from my fanpost!

jk :)

great analysis, far more thorough than I was willing to do ;)

by RussL on Nov 15, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

stretch forward

Speaks volumes to those who say lewis is not worth the money (me, nobody is) if we don’t play the stretch we don’t utilize Howard’s ability as he would be generally less efficient in a traditional lineup also. Stretch and Van Gundy are the keys to our success. I like you believe that we must use Barnes at small, because we are playing 4 on 5 at the d end as Carter just won’t close the 3pt line or stance up on d hardly at all. Thus Barnes. Don’t get me wrong Vince can bring some offense, and he is used to resting on d. That has to change or I suggest a mid season movement. Got to play both ends otherwise it’s a cancer we don’t need.

by shaq O'flopapanick on Nov 15, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

suggesting we trade vince is asinine

like i stated in my post above, the defense will improve as the players return and develop a familiarity with one another. that can only come from playing time (be it in practice and games both). knowing when to rotate in what situations will develop after they have time to get used to each others movements. are you suggesting we should trade jameer because he lets quick point guards take advantage of him? or should we have traded turkoglu because he was just as guilty of “not closing out” very much at all? it is a bit ridiculous to say that vince needs to be traded if his defense does not improve. /end rant

by MagicMark on Nov 15, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Vince's defense isn't hurting the team.

Vince has actually played better defense than Nelson and arguably Pietrus. And if you are pissed about closeouts, look at the footage on Barnes and Bobby Simmons last game. Jameer Nelson is getting his butt handed to him on a regular basis. The most important defensive position is point guard, because it’s up to them to contain initial penetration. If your point guard isn’t playing defense, your team defense is shot. Look at some of the performances against Jameer in the past couple games.

vs NJ: Rafer Alston puts up 17 and has a triple double
vs CLE: Mo Williams goes 9-9 in the first half, finishes with 28 and 6
vs. CHA: lets Raymond Felton go off in the second half, shoots 60% and finishes with 18
vs. OKC: Russell Westbrook does whatever he wants and finishes with 17, 5, and 10.

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by ben_gleicher on Nov 15, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He was just fin defensively in the past, and actually above average statistically. I wouldnt harp on it unless it continues another 2 weeks. Tho opinions are opinions of course hehe.

by derekk on Nov 15, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Vince Carter isn't a cancer, that's a bit too strong of a word to use.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He has a PER hovering bouncing around 20 so far

And on the whole, Vince is not part of the problem defensively.

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by ben_gleicher on Nov 15, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post.

I do think the Magic have yet to have a quality traditional PF on their team. I thought Brandon Bass was a better player, he is more of energy/hustle guy.

The Magic offense could work with a quality PF- like David Lee or Josh Smith.
Jameer, VC, Shard, Josh Smith, D12 could do some damage.

With that said, I love this roster, they just need to stay healthy.. The injuries and suspension were a blessing in disguise. We got a chance to see what we had in some of the other guys..

What we found out..
Bass solid spot jump shooter, goes hard to the rack, but rebounding needs a lot of work.
Barnes-very erratic shooter, but a solid defender, and rebounder.
JWill-decent 3 pt shooter and Asst/TO rate isn’t bad-

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by Wmillion on Nov 15, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree.

I don’t think the Magic are as good playing with almost any traditional PF in the NBA.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

possbily

but, tough to know since we have never had a quality traditional PF.

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by Wmillion on Nov 15, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Great great post.

But there is absolutely no reason why Stan Van Gundy couldn’t start Lewis AND Anderson, but keep one of them in at all times. Sub RA at the 6 min mark, put him in for Lewis for the 2nd quarter, sub Lewis back in with Anderson for the final 6 minutes of the half. Ryan is just playing TOO WELL to sit him for 20 minutes a night. He has to play more than that.

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by ben_gleicher on Nov 15, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

I think the deal is that we don't want Lewis defending SFs for too long.

I mean, Lewis can defend slower SFs, offensively limited SFs, and a lot of backup SFs. But we don’t want him in there trying to contend with, say, a Paul Pierce or a Carmelo Anthony. (Not to mention Lebron…) We want Barnes doing that, or possibly Pietrus (whose recent play makes it hard to endorse him, but he’s theoretically a very good defender.)

I mean, ultimately, I suspect we’re looking at Rashard playing 35 minutes and Ryan playing 25 or so. That leaves 12 minutes where they’re both on the court. There’s no reason those 12 have to include the first 6 minutes of the game; it makes sense to unleash that on the opponent when they’re vulnerable, and when either Ryan, Rashard or both doesn’t have to work TOO hard on defense. Early second/fourth quarter, maybe, against the backups. (And even if we bump them up to 36 and 30, we’re still only talking 18 minutes overlap…)

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 15, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, defense is very hard to look at, the best way is with the eyes still but I would label MP, JJ, Barnes as defenders in that order. The good thing with Barnes, and which may suit him more for the starters, is his rebounding and passing skills. His defense has been looking alil better too tho I dont think it warrants a start if SVG elects to go with more defense with MP. All my opinions tho, and MP/Barnes are getting the same play time anyways, so hate one or both, we kinda cant do anything about it haha

by derekk on Nov 15, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, Rashard can't defend SF's.

It’s that simple. Stan Van Gundy will find minutes for Anderson and probably will pair him up with Lewis when he’s playing the 3. I would expect that combination to play together quite a bit, actually.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Small Forward is the weakest position in the NBA

The matchup nightmares Lewis would bring on the offensive end would be far more beneficial than the slip defensively. Lets not forget how efficient Rashard was offensively on Seattle playing the three. I’m far more worried about Jameer guarding point guards than Rashard guarding small forwards. That’s what needs to be the primary concern for Stan Van Gundy.

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by ben_gleicher on Nov 15, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call SF the weakest position in the NBA.

You’re falling into the wrong mindset. The Magic can’t make concessions defensively. With or without Lewis at the three, Orlando is going to have one of the best offenses in the NBA. If the team wants to go back to the Finals, it has to do it with its defense and putting Rashard away from a position where he’s become an above-average defender just to score a few more points is counter-productive. To this day, I don’t understand the obsession with putting Lewis back at small forward. Should he play there? Sure, for a few minutes here and there, but he shouldn’t be starting there.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

plus you have to look at specific matchups more than in general because Celtics have Paul Pierce and Cavs have LeBron James. Many possible 1st round opponents don’t have as strong SF’s however.. and I dont want to underrate Rashard Lewis. He came in and surprised us with solid defense in a new position for him, just maybe he can come in and do a good job on the more athletic SF’s too. But overall, the backcourt defense needs to improve with MP, Barnes, VC, Jameer all stepping up and they are the best options if playing at their best.

by derekk on Nov 15, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's about keeping your best players out on the floor.

Right now Ryan Anderson is playing at a very high level. You have to give him his minutes. The best way to keep Ryan on the floor is to play him WITH Rashard Lewis. That way there are four three point shooters capable of +40%. Last year Courtney Lee was a fourth three point shooter. Have you seen Barnes’ stroke? He’s not a shooter. 33% lifetime from three and 43% overall.

Obviously Rashard can’t hang with LeBron, Carmelo, or Pierce. NO ONE CAN. I would argue that that against the rest of the NBA he’s no worse than Barnes.

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by ben_gleicher on Nov 15, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I get what you're saying but the starters aren't about playing the five best players.

I have to agree with Ben on this one, the Magic absolutely need Ryan Anderson to come off the bench and be the playmaker in the second unit. It makes no sense maxing out the first unit if it leaves the reserves desperate for some scoring. It’s all about balance.

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by erivera7 on Nov 16, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just going to get this out of the way now.

I am feeling very conflicted. On the one hand, I want to point at Bass’ struggles and shout, “I called it before they even signed him!” ( http://www.thirdquartercollapse.com/2009/7/3/936588/brandon-bass-whats-the-attraction )

On the other hand, I don’t want to seem like I’m happy that Bass isn’t working out. I’m not happy about that. We’re stuck with the guy now, and while he’s demonstrated some talent (mostly in scoring), his lack of three-point range has disrupted the offense, and he hasn’t been a very effective rebounder. I’m not sure what it would take to justify his salary at this point. (Especially with Ryan taking the PF minutes that Lewis isn’t using… if there IS a way to fit Bass into this offense, will he even get the playing time for the team to figure it out?)

So… yeah. I was right,. and I kind of wish I wasn’t right, but let’s be honest, I don’t kind of wish I wasn’t right, because then I’d be wrong. It’s a complicated situation! Still, I do hope everything works out, and I guess things can still work out, either by finding a use for Bass, or by trading him, or by just eating his contract. I mean, even if Bass never fits in, it’s not like that leaves a hole in the depth chart. And from a cap standpoint, he’s still making less than we gave Battie last season.

He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.

by 3.3seconds on Nov 15, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

I think Brandon will have a valuable role on the team.

I just think it’s going to take some time to figure out where to put Bass in positions to succeed.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a question

What are the Magic going to do with Bass when Anderson and Lewis come back? Clearly, you can’t play 3 power forwards every game. Do you think Bass is going to ride the pine as long as Lewis and Anderson are healthy? Would the Magic ever consider dealing him before the trade deadline?

by MightyMouth on Nov 15, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Again, the Magic can never have too much depth so to entertain ideas of a trade is pointless.

Brandon Bass will come off the bench and probably be a guy that will be used when the matchups dictate themselves. For instance, if Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat both get in foul trouble, Bass can step in and play some 5. Or if Stan Van Gundy wants to put Rashard Lewis at the 3 (which he will do), then you can put Brandon at the 4 and play “bigger”, so to speak. Versatility, my friend. Always a valuable thing to have.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree

the flexibility that we will have will be enormous. we can match up with all of the “big” teams and we can go small with the small teams. we also give them our own matchup problems (lewis at 4 etc). as long as the team maintains a level of defensive intensity, it will be very fun basketball to watch.

by MagicMark on Nov 15, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Take a chill pill guys...

Some people are so quick to jump on guys and give them the boot. Bass will be fine in our system. He might not be starter material. But IMO he’s definitely a keeper for depth and to bring off the bench. His midrange is damn good and he hustles. He does seem a little lost, but I just don’t like how some of posters on here are already jumping on the guy saying it’s not working out. Some of you guys need to relax.

by HustlerInc on Nov 15, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

It happens to every player when they start slowly.

We’re always too quick to judge.

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by ben_gleicher on Nov 15, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Brandon is more lost on defense than anything else, which is explainable. I'll give him a pass for now.

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by erivera7 on Nov 15, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

in my opinion

i think bass is still adjusting to SVG’s system. keeping him is very beneficial for our team. what i dont get is why resign adonal foyle where we can get a rookie or a younger player with a lot of potential with the same amount of price. trading him or aj is good for the magic. and also i think jameer is gonna pose a problem for the magic because of his inconsistency and defensive ability. the magic are giving some teams alot of options in the offensive end because of jameer’s lack of def. if we want to be champs then a trade with foyle, aj or jameer is a better option

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by Hbkid on Nov 16, 2009 5:03 AM EST reply actions  

You don't like Jameer Nelson, we get it.

Realize that it’s 10 games into the season. Sheesh.

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by erivera7 on Nov 16, 2009 5:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Foyle brings great chemistry and practice help. young players can be very immature. AJ is a consistent, solid vet and has not complained once about anything, but the Magic have already tried to trade AJ this past summer for a younger PG and the other team declined. jameer has not been as aggressive as i like at times, but seeing him step it up in the biggest game this season so far, loss to Cavs, was very promising, his assists are up, all his stats say he’s doing fine (44FG% is only average, but he will bring it up) and he always plays his best ball in the mid to late season, while playing very good in the playoffs the year before, over Raps, lost to Pistons. Do you also remember always complaining about his defense? Sure, its not great, but its a pretty universal weak position of defense, MO, FISHER, STUCKEY, PARKER, JOSE, only one is Rajon and not by much, he likes to roam and would go under/stuck by screens alot too just like a PR should. I dont recall this complaining last year? And to do it now, when its proven that players coming back from extended injury downtime take quite awhile to get back in top game performance, and yet Jameer is doing just fine right now.

by derekk on Nov 16, 2009 5:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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