Orlando Magic 125, Toronto Raptors 116
Paced by a dominant performance from their backcourt, the shorthanded Orlando Magic held on to defeat the Toronto Raptors, 125-116, in a game which--as the score indicates--featured very little defense on either side. J.J. Redick filled in admirably for the absent Vince Carter, with a Carter-esque linescore of 27 points (a career-high), 6 rebounds, and 5 assists. Meanwhile, Jameer Nelson scored 30, just 2 points shy of his career-high. Their brilliance overshadows that of Dwight Howard (24 points, 11 rebounds) and Ryan Anderson (20 and 6). Orlando needed every bit of their production, as the Raptors' frontcourt of Andrea Bargnani, Chris Bosh, and Hedo Turkoglu lit 'em up to the tune of 80 points on 26-of-45 shooting.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Magic | 91 | 137.0 | 54.3% | 43.9 | 32.6 | 9.9 |
| Raptors | 127.5 | 60.8% | 35.1 | 28.1 | 15.4 |
Without three starters (of whom 2 are All-Stars) the Magic easily reached triple-figure scoring, on the road. They took care of the ball, forced turnovers, got good shots, and got some key rebounds down the stretch. Orlando even led by 22 points in the first half before missing 12 consecutive field goals, which allowed the Raptors back in the game. Discounting that shooting drought, the Magic registered an effective field goal percentage of 63.6%.
With the game in the balance, it was the Magic's newcomers hustling down rebounds to keep the Raptors away. The key sequence comes after Turkoglu's three-point play to bring Toronto within 7 with less than 2 minutes to play; a big deficit, but not insurmountable. Nelson runs the clock on Orlando's ensuing possession before uncorking an off-balance jump shot that hits the front rim and bounces back toward him. Both Anderson and Matt Barnes are in the area, and slap the ball away from a would-be Raptor rebounder and into the Magic's backcourt, where Nelson retrieves it and sets up the offense once more. Orlando works the ball inside to Howard, who goes up strong, but Bosh swats his shot out of bounds with 6 seconds to shoot. Nelson takes a long three-pointer, but misses short again. Howard's there for the rebound, and kicks the ball back out again. More time dwindles away, and the possession ends with Antoine Wright fouling Redick, who sinks 2 free throws to make the lead 123-114, Orlando. All told, the Magic's offensive rebounding took 70 seconds off the clock, ending the Raptors' comeback hopes.
So it's an impressive win, given the circumstances. It's worrisome that the D was so poor, especially on the frontcourt players. Barnes wound up with 6 steals--one two short of tying a Nick Anderson's franchise record--but had trouble keeping up with Turkoglu on the perimeter. Anderson couldn't handle Bosh inside, while nobody seemed willing to close out on Bargnani (4-of-5 from three-point range) at all. The Magic were shorthanded at the swing positions, with Vince Carter and Mickael Pietrus unavailable, so if anything it should have been the Raptors' backcourt tearing it up. Defense remains a concern for Orlando on the young season.
Offense? Not a problem. 125 points on 91 possessions for a team missing two of its top 4 players... that's impressive, even against a soft opponent like the Raptors. The Magic did their damage from the perimeter, as Howard struggled inside. He was blocked as often as he converted, with 5 rejections against and 5 made field goals. Where he made the Raptors pay was at the foul line, of all places: 14-of-16 from the stripe, on a day when Raptors point guard Jose Calderon--fresh off the best single-season free-throw shooting performance in NBA history--went 4-of-6. Bizarre, but not as bizarre as some of the Magic's lineups. We saw the rarely used combination of Howard and center and Marcin Gortat, his backup, at power forward; we also saw Redick shift to small forward to accommodate a two-point guard backcourt of Nelson and Anthony Johnson. These wacky combinations won't be a mainstay once everyone is healthy again, and it's a credit to Magic coach Stan Van Gundy that he was able to guide his team to victory using never-before-seen lineups. The Raptors are the most talented team the Magic have faced so far, and were only missing one rotation player (power forward Reggie Evans) to the Magic's three.
In short, this win should boost the Magic's confidence, despite their poor defense. It's hard not to come away impressed with their resolve and offensive skill after a game like today's. They need to fix the defense in a hurry, though, as a back-to-back set with the Detroit Pistons and Phoenix Suns looms after an off-day tomorrow.
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Defense is still a concern but this was a good situation win
That said, I guess the league is conciously forcing teams to be more offensive and are way too tough gaurding rules the last few years so it was bound to happen.
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Defense has got to improve.
Nobody wins championships by just scoring a lot of points. Ask Phoenix and Dallas how that’s worked out for them the last 10 years.
relax we had 3 starters out
Im just happy Barnes got some steals and we scored enough points. We will be a good defensive team because we have Howard. Its just a matter of time until we click on D.
Hint for the Magic: Funnel everything to Dwight
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 1, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando knows what it needs to do defensively, it's all about execution.
That being said, Toronto has always been a pesky matchup so the end result isn’t surprising.
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Those wouldn't be the examples I would use.
We all know Phoenix WOULD have won a title if their prime didn’t coicide with San Antonio’s prime, and if the one thing San Antonio was best at wasn’t fast-break defense. (Side note: everyone thinks those Suns were a bad defensive team, but they were actually about average on a per-possession basis.)
As for Dallas, we all know how THEY could have won a title…
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
WOW
I don’t know what’s crazier Dwight’s free throws or JJ’s stats? Good game Dukie but your not off the hook yet, I’m gonna need a few more good shooting performances before I put you back in the “circle of trust” I knew Matty Barnes would do a good job on Turk, the only other person that does a better job guarding Turk is Tay Prince IMO.
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by D-RAK on Nov 1, 2009 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't say Barnes did a good job on Turkoglu.
Hedo went 8-13 (efficient, for once) from the field. Matt just made some timely defensive plays.
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Well you know Turk wanted to go for 30 and Barnes was stealing so many passes you have to think he limited his touches and he rebounded the ball well, I don’t know of to many people who can stop that flaling layup of Turks. He kept him under control behind the arc.
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by D-RAK on Nov 1, 2009 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you know Turk wanted to put it on us
Im very satisfied with this result… not many assist either from Hedo
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 1, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh well go cash your check Turk!
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by D-RAK on Nov 1, 2009 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt did okay, nothing special.
I’m convinced Mickael would have done a better job.
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ya our d is suspect but im sure stan will take care of that through out the season.
how about jj today huh. where are today squid lol
He hates
J.J too much
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by 4QB on Nov 1, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's actually a she, not a he.
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Ooooh...
I’m gonna tell Squid you called her an it!
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by TheGiantSquid on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
I've been as critical of Redick as anyone, but you have to give him his due so far this season.
Aside from his scoring outburst yesterday, it looks to me like he’s contributing (i.e. actually doing something when he’s on the court) for the first time in his career. He’s rebounding and getting to balls, looking to attack when he gets the ball, moving the ball well, stepping into passing lanes, etc. He had a very nice steal against Toronto when he switched onto Dwight’s guy off a pick and roll and intercepted a bounce pass which he anticipated well.
Up until now, he’s always been a guy who just kind of stands around and doesn’t do much. I don’t think that’s the case so far this season (and the preseason). The shooting is nice too — although he ain’t no Ryan Anderson!
He was starting to show some of that late last season
The Boston series, he averaged just under 2.5 assists per game, and he averaged 2 per game against LA (and 3 per game for the 2 games against PHI that he got decent play time). His defense against Boston was also solid, although their SGs are less mobile than league average. He’ll never be a star player, but he can be a decent role player that’ll chip in a few points and a couple assists while VC gets a breather.
So far this season, his per 36 minutes numbers:
18.4 points, 4.5 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 0.7 turnovers, 3.0 fouls
Not bad for a backup shooting guard. In fact, other than his foul rate, ALL of those numbers are better than Ray Allen!
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I tend to discount a lot of Redick's stats from previous years because he got so many mop up minutes.
Based on what I’m seeing, he looks to be way more active and assertive this year. And like I said, an actual contributor.
To some extent, that's still true.
For example, the Sixers game where he got half his points in the last 5 minutes of a blowout.
Redick is an underrated playmaker, in my opinion.
J.J. has improved his ability to create off the dribble and his passing has been excellent.
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If JJ went for 27 I think VC could have gotten 100
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by D-RAK on Nov 1, 2009 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There are plenty of times throughout the season for a dominant upper echelon team
Where you don’t play your best. The key for the Magic this year is to not worry about style points when it comes to a team like TO. It’s a long year and all kinds of calamities happen.
Today was just one of many bumps on the road. I think the key to watch for during the regular season is to see how easy it is to knock the Magic off their game when they are hitting on all cylinders. If you can’t disrupt that, than you’re talking about a team with a quality chance to beat Boston, Cleveland or another contender (assuming one jumps up) come playoff time.
On the other hand, after 3 games into the season, and on Nov 1st, it’s a bit early to worry about the playoffs regardless of what the ultimate goal is.
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wow. amazing win by the team. the sky is the limit.
this is a good raptors team, and to beat them on the road as short-handed as we were is extremely impressive. the D could improve, but the lack of turnovers is encouraging. amazed that we won it with so little bench production. when i saw that VC and peaches were out, i figured it would take a huge effort from the bench guys for us to get a W. but then i didn’t expect 57 from JJ and jameer!!
starting to get cautiously optimistic that this team could end the season with 65+ wins. stan + dwight + healthy jameer + interchangeable supporting cast = Basketball Magic
Orlando did a good job of taking care of the ball so that was encouraging.
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Shots were falling...
D. Stern must have had a grin on his face, a Sunday game at 1pm with over 240 points scored. Even the biggest die-hard NFL fan had to flip to the game if it was on in their market. That said, sometimes the flow of the game dictates a different style. We’ve had a lot of success out West in the past few years partly because we could score points. The real question is, can we beat Boston 82-78 or some of the other “elite” teams. Toronto is good, 5-7 seed possible (they do create match-up problems on the outside with their long shooters-sound familiar?).
The guys at TQC have maintained (and I agree) that JJ is better than most people give him credit for. 44+ min and 27 points, rebounded well, assists, etc. I think SVG has to feel that he can bring him in, cold, and he does the things that Stan likes.
Anderson is averaging like 17.5 a game, at 21 yrs. old. CRAZY!!
It’s getting harder and harder to not get real optimistic about this thing, especially if the “Law of Averages” says these little nicks and bruises (suspensions) in the early part of the season bode well for us next spring (better to be healthy and full-strength at the end).
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if Orlando can win in a low-scoring slugfest.
I know the Magic can but I’d like to see.
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I've thought for a while that our bench was better than several whole teams
And playing without 3 of the 5 starters (though I would like to see Anderson continue to start when Rashard comes back) does give some credence to this theory
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why would you want ryan starting over rashard?
that doesn’t make any sense, at least not to me
Not over Rashard
I would want Rashard to then start over Pietrus, and have him come off the bench.
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I agree unfortunately I dont think Pietrus deserves to start for us
let him be the 1st option on the second team
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 1, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Mickael is the team's best wing defender, of course he deserves to start.
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That'll never happen.
Rashard isn’t going to start at the three, no matter how much people want to see that. Lewis is just not as good of a defender at SF and ultimately, that’s all that Stan Van Gundy cares about.
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well he is certainly not a good defender at PF either
Yes he can hang with the Bargnani’s and Dirk’s of the NBA but I dont want to see him play PF vs. KG again. We play Lewis at the 4 for the mismatch. Good news, we have a bigger stronger guy in Ryan Anderson that can space the floor and defend. We dont lose that mismatch if Lewis plays the 3. In fact, we gain a size mismatch against most SF’s with Lewis at the 3.
I’m not buying that he cant defend other SF’s either. Id bet he would have an easier time guarding 200 lb.SF than 260 lb PF’s
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 2, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree.
Statisically, Lewis was an above-average defender at PF last year and there’s no doubt that he’s improved defensively since coming to Orlando (with the help of Dwight Howard and Stan Van Gundy). The reason why Rashard struggles to guard SF’s is because he isn’t quick enough to run players off the three-point line, fight through screens, etc.
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It's not the size. It's the movement.
SVG is worried about Rashard having to chase SFs around screens, or through cuts in the lane, etc. At PF, Rashard just needs to hold his ground, which he can do. There’s quite a bit more involved in defending SFs, which is why SVG is reluctant to play him there.
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If I may add my $.02
You prove the point by saying he can hang with the Dirks and the Bargs. Frankly, who in the L can hang with KG? No one. You just try to slow him down.
Go check out last year’s head-to-head between Shard and KG (and even exclude the 2 games KG wasn’t full speed or playing). On 12/1/08 and 1/22/09 Shard held him to right about his season average on points and in the 2nd game KG had only 5 boards (3.5 below season avg.). Looks okay to me. Maybe it is the combo of Shard and D12, but it looks like it is working. Not sure Bass or Ryan would do any better vs. KG.
Incidentally, our bigger problem last year vs. Boston was getting torched by Pierce at SG and killed at the 2. Welcome aboard, Vince! (get better soon).
That's where Pietrus needs to step up against Pierce.
Before, that was Turkoglu’s responsibility.
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Ok, here are the stats
for our team, without Howard, Lewis, Pietrus, Carter, or Nelson.
I took the 440 minutes that the remaining seven players have played, divided by five, to display team totals, then entered the data into my stat calculator I created (computerzeast.com/statcalculator.htm)
Here are the numbers for our bench if they played the whole game:
99.8 points
32.7 rebounds
24.5 assists
4.4 blocks
3.8 steals
10.9 turnovers
20.7 fouls
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Making our bench the #15 scoring team in the nba
- in assists
Ok, and 20th in blacks, 28th in steals, last in rebounds
2nd fewest turnovers and 6th fewest fouls
May not be the nba elite, but that is pretty impressive for the “bench players”
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Oops :)
Should be blocks. Yes, probably last in Blacks. :)
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haha classic... were 20th in blacks
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 1, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait for the first nationally televised game.
My fellow Magic fan and I over here in the IL are having a party for every one. I’m so ready.
I got to catch the Nets game
Thanks to living in the state of NY
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i believe you can watch any game until november 3rd (tuesday) on the free week of nba league pass
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by AB's triple double on Nov 1, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Gortat was a little too quiet for my tastes
and looked a bit out of control, but maybe that’s b/c he was either playing versus Bosh or Bargs and was a little out of place for his minutes at the 4 alongside D12. Anybody else feel this way about the Polish Machine?
Yeah...I mentioned this earlier during the game..
Gortat hasn’t been out of it so far. I expect much better efforts from him in the near future.
maybe he really is bothered by his contract situation
hopefully playing bad isnt his way of getting out of town
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 1, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt it.
It’s way too early in the season to make any jump to conclusions.
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Gortat was unimpressive on Friday too
We all know he can really dominate at times. . . wonder if it’s a confidence thing, or if he’s a little under the weather. I doubt it’s your average slump, since it’s not like he’s just taking shots and they’re not falling. His whole game seems weaker than its norm at the moment.
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He was really effective in the pre-season.
And on Friday, he had 8 points (on 3-7 shooting) and 5 rebounds in 19 minutes, which I don’t see as an outrageously bad performance. I wouldn’t read too much into one and a half off games…
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
You know, I don't want to say it too soon...
…but this might be JJ’s year. He’s had two good games so far.
And think about it. When he came into the league, he was a decent three-point shooter but couldn’t do anything else. Last year, his defense and passing showed signs of improvement, but his shooting touch seemingly disappeared. It’s not out of the question that he could put everything together, and at this point, he’s got a perfect opportunity. SG is the one position where the Magic AREN’T absurdly deep, and it IS a contract year…
…or it could be a fluke. Just saying, if it’s going to happen for Redick, now would be the time.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
seeing how this is his last year with the Magic
contract wise..
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 2, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe for Redick.
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Any update on Dwight's shoulder?
Yeah, after halftime, he looked fine, but I’m wondering if anything has come out of the Magic camp about whether it was indeed just a stinger or something else that could linger on…
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Nope, he's fine.
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