Orlando Magic 110, Dallas Mavericks 105
In a surprisingly competitive, intense game, the Orlando Magic rallied to dispatch the Dallas Mavericks, 110-105, in the first game of both team's 2009 preseasons. Vince Carter, who did not wear a headband, led 6 Magic players in double-figures with 21 points, incuding 15 in the third period, while Dwight Howard posted 17 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks before fouling out in 23 minutes of play. Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki shot just 3-of-12 from the field, but converted 17 of his 19 well-earned free throw attempts to finish with a game-high 23 points.
| Team | Pace | Efficiency | eFG% | FT Rate | OReb% | TO Rate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Magic | 95 | 115.2 | 50.0% | 44.7 | 26.1 | 13.6 |
| Mavericks | 110.5 | 43.7% | 45.6 | 23.8 | 14.7 |
With a combined 64 personal fouls and 92 free throw attempts, the game wasn't pretty, especially early as both teams committed plenty of turnovers. The game became easier to watch as it progressed, with teams looking a bit sharper offensively--thanks to poor defense on both sides--and the players willing to let it all out on the floor. The Orlando Sentinel posted this photo to illustrate the teams' hustle tonight, while the double-technical foul assessed to Orlando's Matt Barnes and Dallas' Matt Carroll for jawing at each other in the third period attests to the teams' intensity. You'd think the game counted for something, the way these teams played.
But it doesn't count for anything, which is why it's more important for us to, at this stage, evaluate how some of the Magic's new players fared, and what coach Stan Van Gundy's tendencies were.
For one thing, Carter's performance came across as pedestrian to me; he assessed it as "OK." Five of his 6 first-half shot attempts came from beyond the arc, and it wasn't until the third quarter when he began to assert himself more often. Sure, he still teed-off from downtown plenty, but he also drove to the basket more aggressively. In one sequence which demonstrated his new attitude, Carter drove hard right off a hard pick at the top of the key, attempted to drive the ball to the basket, but could not get all the way there. His off-balance layup clanked off the side of the backboard. Clearly perturbed, Carter got back on defense. When Orlando regained possession, Carter launched a trey from the left wing, which caught nothing but the bottom. In short, it took some time for him to get going, but once he did... well, he looked decent. I hate to see him take three-pointers at such a rate, as they accounted for two-thirds of his shot attempts. But hey, 21 points on 18 shots, just 1 turnover. We can live with that.
More on the rest of the Magic after the jump.
Oddly, it was Barnes and former Maverick Brandon Bass who overshadowed Carter as far as new additions are concerned. The pair combined for 29 points on 13 shots. Barnes impressed me with his heady plays, with 3 of his 4 rebounds coming at the offensive end. Orlando hasn't had a quality rebounder at small forward in a while, and Barnes certainly is an upgrade over Hedo Turkoglu in that respect. Meanwhile, Bass scored 7 of his 13 points in the final two minutes, drawing fouls and converting at the charity stripe. He was as advertised. And earlier in the game, he caught the ball at the top of the key, got into a triple-threat position, and Dallas played him for the drive; apparently, the Mavs were wary of his ability to create off the dribble. He wound up taking the jumper and missing, but it was nonetheless good to know that Bass will frustrate defenses more in the high post than Tony Battie ever did.
Jason Williams? Yeah, not bad, either. Early in the game, Van Gundy elected to assign Williams to cover the speedy Jason Terry, and Williams--coming off a one-year retirement, and not especially quick to begin with--acquitted himself nicely. He posted 6 assists--a team high--and 3 turnovers, but none of his turnovers came after halftime. And he, not Anthony Johnson, was the first point guard off the bench. Of course, it's only one game, so we can't read too deeply into Van Gundy's rotations just yet. But if Williams continues to get the nod over Johnson, well, the writing will pretty much be on the wall, won't it?
Jameer Nelson looks to be okay. 10 points on 3-of-6 shooting--all on three-pointers-- to go with 4 assists and 2 turnovers. All 3 treys were assisted, so we have yet to see his off-the-dribble game. Then again, he only played 24 minutes, so there's plenty of time left for him to show it off.
All in all, it was nice to see the Magic's bench get it done, as Van Gundy and Mavs coach Rick Carlisle elected to let their reserves do battle with the game on the line. Orlando came up victorious... not that it means a heckuva lot.
A few assorted rotation notes:
Williams was the first man off the bench, coming in for Nelson. The next subs were, in order: Barnes for Mickael Pietrus, Marcin Gortat for Howard, Bass for Rashard Lewis, and J.J. Redick for Carter.
That was the entire 10-man rotation. Ryan Anderson and Anthony Johnson were the only available players on guaranteed deals who did not play; Adonal Foyle is still out with a sore knee.
Unsurprisingly, Morris Almond and Linton Johnson III, the Magic's non-roster invitees, also earned DNP-CDs.
Down the stretch, the Magic played Bass, and not Gortat, at center. Gortat struggled, with 0 points, 5 rebounds, and 1 block in 16 minutes.
Redick, by the way, didn't make any of his 4 shot attempts--all of them were three-pointers, and they included one airball--but shot 7-of-10 at the foul line to compensate.
And Barnes? 16 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block, and no turnovers in only 20 minutes. That's efficient production. He, and not Pietrus, started the second half at small forward. Dude's just active, and plays within himself more than Pietrus does.
As always, share your thoughts from the game in the comments section.
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sounds like a good win
too bad about Dwight fouling out so early. Why so many fouls? Replacement Refs? I’m not worried about Vince shooting that many threes in the regular season, at least not at such a crumby %. Magic won, and most importantly, no one got hurt.
Wish I saw some of the game but sure like the box score
It’s pretty clear that 8 or 9 guys are legit contributors who can be counted on. Barnes and Bass seem ready to prove themselves as elite role players of the Ariza sort. Just difference makers as the 5th, 6th, even 7th guys on the team.
As far as Vince Carter, love his stat line tonight. From the write up, it sounds like he had no interest in bringing it, which obviously I don’t mind a bit at this point. Last year the Magic were sorely missing an elite scorer who could put up shots in bunches and score 21 without much exertion. Think about it — last year, Turk scoring 21 meant he was feeling it. If Vince is feeling it, he can go for 40. With the Magic’s D, that will make quite a few nights where the team literally cannot lose.
I feel good about Jameer. Don’t want to jinx it, but he really may be this good of an outside shooter. Certainly wouldn’t want to bet against it. If he is and stays healthy, the Magic have ridiculous firepower on offense. Again, combined with the Magic defense, it would just overwhelm the opposition.
Factor in 8 three pt attempts from Rashard, Dwight’s game altering defense and physical play, and maybe even some playmaking from J Will in the 2nd and late 3rd Qtrs., and there is nothing not to like.
By the looks of it, there is nowhere the Magic can be exploited. And that is without Dwight Howard making once inch of improvement from last year, on free throws or anything else.
I agree with everything, especially the Vince comments. We know Hedo would have a bad shooting night 25% from 3, 38% FG, and would with FTs get about 16-17 points still, but Vince got 21 and was alot closer to 25-ish if one more 3 went in out of all of those attempts. It just seems like Vince had alot more room for fitting in and to truly know the system. He didnt look comfortable yet and he still got 21 and 2 steals with 3 boards at SG. All I need to see from now on is more assists and better %’s. I wasnt paying much attention to his defense but it looked solid with room for improvements as he gets to know the system better and better.
Vince certainly could have had a better game.
But I think it was a matter of him pressing and what not. As for Jameer, he’s definitely back.
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Excellent Write up
thats whats up
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
Great game, here’s my take on some players,
Barnes really impressed me. Exactly everything I saw and read from him before at a pretty optimal level for the Magic, getting a few assists, rebounds, solid defense and suprising me with the points he got. I dont know if he can play as good as Pietrus defensively and overall when he’s playing consistent, but Barnes seems able to play more consistently atleast and his underrated passing showed up and will be a good fit with the starters. Just one preseason game tho, so I cant really call this a trend until late preseason/early season in my mind. I liked Barne’s toughness and rebounding too.
Williams started bad, but by the end he had 4 boards and the game high 6 assists and hit 1-2 3pnters, so I was left really impressed. Only one preseason game again, but like Ben, I think hes gonna take the primary backup PG rather easily.
Vince Carter had that typical shooting night of a Hedo Turkoglu, not a great , but he still poured in 21 which wouldve been 4-5 more points than Turk, but added 3 boards, 2 steals and an assist. Not as much production assist wise yet, but I suspect VC can still beat Turk in that department unless VC’s assists stay near 1-3 the whole pre and early season, and all the stats/advanced stats say Carter will shoot better than Turk. It was just the first time for the Magic and VC together so that was pretty great 1st game taking everything into account. The coolest thing was seeing a VC drive fail, but VC came right back, drained a 3, and then took over the 3rd quarter with an efficient 15 points to keep the Magic in the game.
Lewis and Dwight were like as if the season just kept going from last year, solid consistent production for thier minutes, worried about Dwights fouls, thank you for matching Gortat Otis..
Nelson shouldve shot more than just 6 times, but I think with all the new faces, he wasnt going for aggressive yet. I think he was getting a feel for getting back into his off the dribble game, altho I think the first 3 he hit was without an assist Ben, could be wrong tho. Ill take 4 assists, 2 boards, and 50 3pnt shooting anyday of the week in 24 minutes of action will round up to like 3, 5-6, and 15 on great %’s. He also just looked like he was back, quick and more confident with the good shooting form back. Hope to see more off the dribble action as the Magic get later in the pre.
Bass impressed me, started slow, but when he was playing in the 2nd half, he was great both sides of floor. 6 boards and 3 blocks in 22mins sounds really good. He showed off his offense with late game heroics. I want to see more of him like this with Dwight tho, and Im still very far from thinking he should start.
Barnes is one of those guys who SHOULD be better...
…but has never quite figured out the mental side of the game, right? No time like the present for that…
Of course, Pietrus is also kind of one of those guys. (Though as we saw last year, injuries also play a role with him.) Either way, ONE of them will figure it out, right?
Not reading TOO much into Bass’ performance — between the fact that the Mavs are undersized at PF and the fact that Bass knows these guys, 3 blocks seems to have even more potential than usual to be fluky. I’m keeping an open mind, but let’s see Anderson next time out, okay?
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
good to see carter fitting in BUT
nearly beaten by dallas without j howard and marion seems to be a problem we should look at. anyways i think the magic should sign up morris almond. we shouldn’t rely on jj’s on and off night behind the arc and his average def. but overall the magic really did a great job in spite of being in the preseason and adjustments of the new players
what we do in life echoes in eternity
Again, it's the pre-season so to worry about this game is a bit presumptuous.
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Great Info
Can you explain how you determine this sort of thing: “Dallas played him for the drive”.
That would be a good dimension to add to my understanding of the game.
'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12
Sagged off him I'm guessing.
To make it clearer… The player that was guarding Bass stood farther away from Bass, and closer to the basket, than usual because that makes it easier to stop someone driving. This allowed Bass to take a semi-uncontested jumper I’m guessing.
BTW, I didn’t watch the game so this is all just an assumption.
Pretty good explanation
I did watch the game. Bass jab-stepped like he was gonna drive and his defender took a full step and a half back. I’d say that was respect.
That's correct.
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Nice. Thanks for the explanation.
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by Eyriq the Red on Oct 7, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not bad for a preseason win..
but as Hb said SMarion and JHoward add another dimension to the Mavs, IMO less 3 bombs for now, until the flow of the game returns and the free throw percentage has to improve. I was also disapointed because Ryan Anderson did not play. I think he might be an asset on the Magic’s rotation.
He'll be an asset, but Stan intended to play the main guys last night so that's what happened.
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"Vince Carter, who did not wear a headband, led 6 Magic players in double-figures with 21 points, incuding 15 in the third period..."
Ben knows what matters to us most… “did not wear a headband.” Probably the most intriguing development of the night. I basically stopped reading when I saw that, it’s all I really wanted to know.
I’m just kidding around, but I did find it amusing that it was thrown in there. We’re fortunate here that our writers go out of their way to specifically include things we’ve wondered over the summer. It’s a nice change up to the beat writers answering the generic questions that they ask themselves before the season.
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+1
Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson
by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 6, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all for the community!
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Playing him for the drive
easiest way to think of this is as a defensmen “can touch him with my hand outstreached or not” You place your feet in the stong position you want to hold. Funnel the offensive player where you want him to go. Stan is a no touch and close on the 3 pt shooter (run at them) or funnel to the base line Dwight’s side. If you got a guy busting you up on the 3 “you get under him” staying tight and close to run him off the line.
by shaqO'flopapanic on Oct 6, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Also
Could we use True Shooting % in addition to eFG%? I think that given the Magic’s struggles at the line that it is an important metric.
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Comeback Ability
My big question with so many new players on the team was whether Orlando was going to keep its absolute resolve and have the ability to make those late-game comebacks and, for lack of a better description, “pull games out of their ass.”
Even though it was a preseason game and no starter was in the game, Orlando’s fourth-quarter comeback was really encouraging. I liked the poise and intensity the team showed throughout the second half and especially in the final stages of the fourth quarter.
Definitely felt like everyone was getting their feet wet. Hopefully things (especially defensive things) progress in the second game.
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I think the comeback simply was because the Magic's bench was superior to the Mavericks' bench.
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Question
Did Howard display any outside shooting or new post moves?
by telka on Oct 6, 2009 10:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not that I could tell, no. Mostly his standard array of spins and such. Didn't uncork any jumpers.
He struggled. 4/11 FGs, 9/17 FTs. Wasn’t really a great night for him.
Also, how great is it that 17 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks from a starting center isn’t “a great night for him”?
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
Negative.
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Wait, so, wait, no...wait, no I'm serious...
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i like to hear that Barnes played so well.
the fact that plays more within himself, more so than Pietrus, is such a relief. i think that Pietrus could be the sixth man of the year. the funny thing is, so could Bass for that matter. i am interseted to see how SVG adjusts the line-ups for the next couple of pre-season games, barring Lewis’ inevitable suspension. i am a little nervous that the Mavs almost took this game, despite it being meaningless.
Don't be nervous because the pre-season means nothing.
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How well did Mavs do?
Most of the write-up and discussion are about how well Magic did, but I’m curious how well Mavs did. I mean, from the box score, it seems Mavs relied more on their bench than we did. But we only managed to win 5 points when they barely had any starters doing the work? This game did show me how well our newly acquired players can be, but it also made me second guess how well the team is playing as a whole.
Without Marion and Howard it was a throw away game for Dallas
Gooden had a solid showing, so did Barea
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A few players played well for the Mavericks, most notably Barea and Gooden.
Yes, Dallas was missing some starters but it’s pre-season, so that’s going to happen. The victory isn’t really important, what’s important for Orlando is for the new players to get assimilated into the roster.
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well it is preseason but i was hoping to see dwight shot freethrows better.
looks like the same dwight to me. its still early tho. bass and barnes won that game for us in the forth.i hope to see a little more ball movment too.over all tho we did really well.
It's one game.
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till were 5 games in and he still shoots 60%.
no big deal tho. i didn,t expect howard to shoot 70% or better.hoped he would but lets be real here . thats not his game. to think hes going to shoot 70% is reaching for somthing thats not going to happen.who cares tho we dont need him to shoot free throws well. as long as everyone else shoots them well we will be fine.go magic crush the heat
My question to everyone is...who impressed you the most last night?
It was just the first preseason game, and a sloppy one at that. But I am curious to everyone’s opinion. I was pretty happy with Bass’ 4th quarter myself.
Barnes, Bass, Lewis, and Nelson played the best in my opinion.
For Rashard, he was steady on offense and really brought it on the defensive end against Nowitzki, made him work for all his points. For Jameer, he shot the ball well and looked like his old self. For Matt and Brandon, they both brought some added toughness and intensity that turned the tide for the Magic.
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Barnes' hustle-y things. Lewis probably had the best overall game.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
re: Lewis
But is was a fairly quiet game. He plays solid, but without a ton of flash…..the lack of flash or eye-popping numbers contributes to the “overpaid” moniker and, imo, makes the casual fan overlook his value, but he’s such an essential part of the Magic’s success. Consistent and ice-cold!
by magicfaninTN on Oct 7, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a key piece, yes.
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