Sentinel: Magic's Trade Talks with Golden State about C.J. Watson "Got Personal"
Based on some comments I've read during our most recent C.J. Watson updates, Orlando Magic fans are pretty flippin' sick of reading about him. What's the use of writing about the pursuit of an obscure, young point guard which bore no fruit?
Even before Watson's name appeared in Magic trade rumors, we tried to explain that he, with his combination of youth and three-point marksmanship, would make a great backup to Jameer Nelson, despite his low assist totals. And now, Magic GM Otis Smith has commented publicly about his efforts to land Watson from the Golden State Warriors, which held his restricted free-agent rights. From Brian Schmitz and Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel:
Smith said that, in the end, negotiations with the Warriors "got personal," although he wouldn't elaborate.
Smith tried to acquire Watson, 25, in an apparently generous sign-and-trade attempt after the Warriors made it clear they would match offers for the restricted free agent. The offer was believed to involve various combinations of a first-round draft pick, cash and a player (believed to be Anthony Johnson).
"You wouldn't believe what we offered them," Smith said. "I think it got personal."
In a vacuum, Golden State's rejection of this lopsided deal makes little sense. Any NBA team that had already a) extended its incumbent point guard for 6 years and $66 million the prior offseason; b) acquired two backup point guards in an offseason trade; and c) spent a lottery pick on a 21-year-old point guard this summer; would like to rid itself of its 5th point guard, for whom there is precious little playing time. And any NBA team that was offered such a rich deal for a player who is, to it, merely a spare part, would accept it in a hearbeat.
But the Warriors aren't like most teams. Based on what I've read over the last year or so, their official GM, Larry Riley, is really just a puppet for head coach Don Nelson. Its owners and decision-makers aren't basketball fans, and are more concerned with turning a profit than with winning. In short, it's kind of a circus out there.
The big takeaway from this bit of news--which is why I'm making it a full-fledged post as opposed to a FanShot--is that Smith himself acknowledged his offer was pretty generous. Of course, it's in his best interest to say he tried his hardest to land a particular player, but all indications are that he's not embellishing anything. Not only would the Magic have to send those assets to Golden State, but they'd also have to sign Watson to a new deal, one which I estimate would pay him at least $3 million annually. For a luxury tax-saddled team in a small market to be willing to make such a deal speaks volumes about how much it thinks Watson could help it, as well as its commitment to winning.
We've yet to see how exactly this story will end. Truthfully, its outcome hinges on Jason Williams' performance in the coming season. The Magic signed the newly un-retired Williams to compete with Johnson for backup duties. Williams is older, a step slower, and not nearly as lethal from long distance as Watson is. If he underwhelms, or if Watson enjoys a breakout year (unlikely, given the Warriors' logjam at the point), we'll look back and curse Golden State's front office for letting personal politics get in the way of making sound business decisions.
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it was personal after we matched gortat.
nelson wasn,t going to let us have him no matter what we offered.there,s a nelson in the mavs. front office. that was clear from the start. just another reason why gs sucks.their personal feelings get involved with day to day operations. in the end its a buss.they blocked the trade because of the gortat thing imo. sounds like thats what otis is saying .
by magicman775 on Oct 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Don Nelson care that the Magic screwed over the Mavs?
Yes, his son is Dallas’ GM, but he and Mark Cuban have a frosty relationship. What’s bad for Cuban is good for Nelson, which is why I don’t think the decision to match Gortat had any bearing on the Warriors’ utter refusal to part with Watson.
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by Ben Q Rock on Oct 4, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make sense and there's no correlation between the two.
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by erivera7 on Oct 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i respectfully disagree. i think it had everything to do with it.
nelsons are crybabys and take things personal.do you really think don cares if his team is better than cubans.
by magicman775 on Oct 4, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're reaching.
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by erivera7 on Oct 4, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows.
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by erivera7 on Oct 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
e imo there is alot that conects these two teams.gs and dallas
if your son called and said dont trade him they screwed us.you would listen im sure.
by magicman775 on Oct 4, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so either, I hear these are two of the most hated teams when it comes to trade talks. Think Miami HEAT and Orlando Magic in trade talks, but about 2x worse.
by derekk on Oct 4, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has more to do with the disfuctionality of the Warriors than anything else.
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by erivera7 on Oct 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why did Otis say it was personal?
Just misspeaking?
by CaliFlorida on Oct 5, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disputing what he said, I'm just speaking in general about Golden State's front office.
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by erivera7 on Oct 5, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was personal
Because the Warriors are disfunctional, not because Nellie had a bee in his bonnet about us matching Gortat.
by eltharion_doa on Oct 5, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that whole Gortat/Dallas "vendetta" explanation is .. far-fetched.
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by erivera7 on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think it had much to do with personal vendetta, more like rampant ineptitude
GS is not run by ownership that wants to win,evidenced by the complete lack of common sense during this years draft. Unless GS is trying to stockpile PGs like the Knicks did a few years ago (didnt work well for them either) then they should count their draft choices as disasterous. They could have taken care of all their PG need by drafting Flynn.
Heads should have rolled after that fiasco.
Damn circus over there.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 4, 2009 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Curry can play point. He exhibited that in his last season at Davidson.
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by erivera7 on Oct 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Curry was a bad pick
Just with the number of draft selections they had this year and the number of good PG they already had under contract, they could have drafted much better. Hell they could have picked all five positions and started over w/ rookies. While I dont think the latter is a good idea at least it has imagination. And in my opinion anything is better than their last few years of decisions.
Like another reader pointed out , we have 3 of their main guys from a playoff squad on our roster, from 3 seperate deals. If that doesnt smack of mis-management then I dont know what does.
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you thought they had too many PGs, why would they draft Flynn?
Not that I’m high on Flynn anyway…
But if you look at that roster, they have Biedrins, Randolph, Stephen Jackson, and Monta Ellis. They have Maggette, Brandan Wright… Azubuike? You know, pick the guys from that list who you want to rebuild around, but you’ll note none of them are point guards. (Yeah, I know there was some talk of making Ellis a PG, but even before the injury, that was never going to happen.)
Don’t get me wrong, I feel like that team is a mess. And they’re a mess because so many of their guys don’t play defense, and they’re a mess because, well, they could go in fifteen different directions and they don’t go in any of them. But their point guards? They have Acie Law, and CJ Watson, and whatever’s left of Speedy Claxton. Now, I know, some of you guys think Watson could turn into a solid backup. But he’s not the kind of guy who prevents you from taking the best player available. Which, at that time, was clearly Curry.
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Oct 5, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry was a great pick
Regardless of if he plays the 2 or 1 he is one of the best scorers from that draft. I just like Flynn and think the could have got more creative. Curry wa
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 6, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
Curry was wanted by the Knicks I think and the Knicks are unloading salary so dont you think they could have traded Curry down and ended up with more pick and/or players?
I dont know, I am probably over- analysing
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by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 6, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that trading one pick down would'e gotten them THAT much.
And I don’t know that more players is what they need. If anything, they need fewer, better players — they’ve got a lot of building blocks and no star to put them around.
(They also need a different coach.)
He's currently two-thirds man, one-third amazing. Which, let's face it, is still a pretty good ratio.
by 3.3seconds on Oct 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the personal issues could reach back to Otis' days in Golden State.
Plus, I mean, we DO have half of their last playoff team here now, right? LOL
by pianolady on Oct 5, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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