3QC Roundtable Discussion: Previewing the 2009-2010 Season for the Orlando Magic
"Runnin' mad games as if your name was Scott Skiles." - A Tribe Called Quest
After months of trading for players, signing free-agents, and playing pre-season games, the NBA is officially underway tonight for several teams. The Orlando Magic are not one of them, which is bad and good. Bad, because people have to wait one more day. Good, because it allows Third Quarter Collapse to fit in one more preview before the Magic begin its quest to return to the NBA Finals this year (and win it all).
As has been my custom in the past, I was able to corral some of the brightest minds around the internet and in the APBRmetrics community to provide their thoughts on Orlando this year. For regular 3QC readers, you'll recognize the names fairly quickly:
Bradford Doolitte, Basketball Prospectus
Neil Paine, Basketball-Reference
Ryan J. Parker, Basketball Geek
Kevin Pelton, Basketball Prospectus
Each individual provided his opinion on the Magic's busy off-season, ascertained which Eastern Conference rival matches up the best with Orlando, and more.
Recently, the NBA released it's annual GM survey and only 7.1% believe the Orlando Magic will win the Eastern Conference. Likewise, Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated polled a half-dozen scouts and all of them agreed that the Magic were the consensus #3 team in the East. Even Orlando was ranked #8 by Sporting News in a power ranking a couple weeks ago. In your time covering the NBA, have you ever seen a team receive less respect after reaching the Finals just a few months ago? To what you would attribute it to?
Neil Paine: I don't know, it seemed like the East's representative was constantly being slept on after losing the Finals at the beginning of the 2000s, too -- Philly, New Jersey, etc. I think the general feeling (and I can't say it's totally wrong, to be honest) is that Orlando caught lightning in a bottle last spring, and that the burden of proof is on them to show that it wasn't a one-year thing. Boston obviously has proven themselves two years ago, and they very nearly beat Orlando even without Garnett, so it's easy to see them ranking ahead of the Magic. Cleveland is better on paper and they have the best player in the game -- but that was true last year and Orlando still won, so their ranking above the Magic is harder to justify. Maybe it's the Shaq addition, maybe it's (undeserved) disrespect for Vince Carter, exactly why I can't say. The stats obviously say to go with Cleveland, but you'd think the sportswriters would go with the team that won last year.
Ryan J. Parker: Historical preseason rankings aren't really relevant here. The reality is that there are other good teams in the East that are getting more respect. People like the Magic, they just like Cleveland and Boston more. I personally see Cleveland as the team to beat, with Boston and Orlando behind them. Simply getting to the Finals shouldn't give the Magic a sense of entitlement. It's probably better that way, since SVG doesn't have to worry about the guys getting big heads. They get to play the disrespect card, however useful that may be.
Kevin Pelton: Well, the 1998-99 Chicago Bulls (who were a little before my time actively covering the NBA) and the 2004-05 L.A. Lakers come to mind. Now, a team that brought back the majority of its roster and arguably improved its talent? No, certainly not. I think a lot of it is that people never completely bought into Orlando's playoff run. The win over the Celtics can be written off as due to Kevin Garnett's injury (never mind Jameer Nelson's injury), while the Cleveland series could be viewed as something of a fluke. The other factor, which you guys have discussed from all angles, is this surprising notion that going from Hedo Turkoglu to Vince Carter is a huge negative for the Magic.
Bradford Doolittle: A lot of it comes from the belief that the Celtics would have beaten them had Kevin Garnett would be healthy. Now Garnett is back the Celtics have added Rasheed Wallace. As for Cleveland -- the Cavaliers did win 66 games last season and it was an upset when the Magic knocked them out last spring. I wouldn't take it as a lack of respect. The league is really top heavy right now and I think everyone agrees the Magic are part of the upper crust. Also playing into this, I believe, is that Jameer Nelson's importance to the Magic is underrated. It's amazing that they made the Finals without him and were competitive in the Finals even with Nelson playing at about 60 percent of his capacity.
More after the jump.
Out of all the moves general manager Otis Smith and the Magic made in the off-season, which one did you like the most and why?
NP: I liked the headline move, the Vince Carter pickup. He gets a lot of flak from the press for not being what they wanted him to be (he isn't the next Michael Jordan, and he never was), and it's true that he quit on the Raps a few years ago, but I can see him being an important piece on a winning team like the Magic because of his ability to both create off the dribble and shoot from long-range. He's also an underrated defender, which will fit in very well with Van Gundy and the Magic. All in all, I think he's a terrific fit and hands down one of the off-season's best pickups.
RP: The addition of Vince will be interesting to see, but I believe that managing to keep Gortat and add Bass helps to give the team depth that any real championship contender needs.
KP: I think it is tough to pick out one specific move because they were all interconnected. For example, if the Magic would have lost Courtney Lee as part of the Carter trade and failed to replace him, that initial deal would have been much worse. Therefore, getting Matt Barnes is not only useful in and of itself but also as it fits in with the Carter trade. That said, if I'm picking just one move, it's not only getting Carter for expiring contracts and Lee but adding Ryan Anderson as something of a throw-in with that deal. Already, demanding Anderson is looking genius.
BD: It's awesome that he was able to pry Ryan Anderson away from New Jersey in the V.C. deal. I really like Anderson's game and he'll be able to replace many of the things that they got from Turkoglu. I saw where Dwight Howard is now referring to him as 'Pat Garrity' which is funny, but Anderson's a more well-rounded player than Garrity.
Isn't Stan Van Gundy due for a Coach of the Year award? Could this be the season when he finally gets recognition for the work he's been doing in Orlando?
NP: You definitely could make a case that he deserved it last year, even before outmatching Mike Brown as a tactician in the Conference Finals. The way he turned Orlando into a legitimately great defensive team, with that personnel -- I know Howard is a complete beast and would anchor any D to an above-average ranking, but think about the rest of his lineup: Rashard Lewis at the 4? Turkoglu manning up on the perimeter? On the best defensive team in the league? That, to me, has been one of the best coaching performances of the past few years.
RP: After taking a quick look at last year's voting, I see SVG placed 3rd. Only one coach can win the award, so it's not likely he gets it, but it seems like he is being recognized in some form, even if he doesn't have the hardware to show off.
KP: I definitely think Van Gundy should have won a year ago. Like his team as a whole, he seems to have a hard time convincing the national media that he is a world-class coach. If the Magic challenges for first place in the Eastern Conference during the regular season, it will be hard to deny Van Gundy this year.
BD: SVG deserves the award someday, but not until Jerry Sloan gets one.
Between the Boston Celtics and the Cleveland Cavaliers, which team presents more problems for the Magic when looking at possible playoff matchups?
NP: It's still Boston just in terms of individual matchups; if healthy, they've got more than enough talent at all the right places to take Orlando out. Cleveland's the wild card, though -- we know Orlando manhandled them inside w/ Howard and destroyed them on the pick-n-roll last year, and I'm not even close to being sold on this idea that Shaq cures the first problem. Moon and Parker, though, those guys were terrific additions because they can defend the wing as well as anybody Cleveland had. Besides, James is so good that he could have carried Cleveland to a win if his teammates had made just a few more shots.
RP: Cleveland.
KP: I would say the Celtics right now. I think both teams made moves that allow them to better match up with Rashard Lewis and his ability to stretch the floor. Boston can put a healthy Kevin Garnett at the four as well as Rasheed Wallace, which is a massive upgrade on the minutes Brian Scalabrine played in the series a year ago. The Cavaliers had the problem of trying to find a fifth guy to put on the floor because they had a hard time playing two bigs together against Lewis. Depending on the situation with Delonte West, Cleveland could have two strong options this year in Jamario Moon and Anthony Parker, as well as potentially a healthy Leon Powe by playing time. That said, I still think Dwight Howard can present more problems for the Cavaliers than the Celtics. While Shaquille O'Neal can handle Howard in the post in a way Anderson Varejao was unable to last spring, the Magic will be content to play pick-and-roll basketball against O'Neal. That should mean a steady stream of easy jumpers for Nelson, who is more than capable of knocking them down.
BD: If the Celtics are fully healthy, they have an answer for everything that the Magic can throw at them, especially now that Wallace is on board to help pound on Dwight.
What are the chances Orlando wins a title this year? What is your official prediction for the team?
NP: The Southeast is going to be a cakewalk again, so pencil them in for at least 50 wins, and I think they'll be right there in the end, playing a major role in the Conference Semis or even the Conference Finals again. That said, I don't know if they can take care of both Boston and Cleveland if those teams are at 100%. Barring some kind of injury problems, the Magic are going to be the 3 seed again, they're going to have to go through the Celtics and the Cavs, and I don't think they'll take care of both in the same postseason for a 2nd straight year. The East hasn't sent the same team to the Finals in back-to-back years since Detroit in '05, and I think when the dust settles, we'll see that streak continue in 2010.
KP: Our official preseason SCHOENE projections, released Monday, have Orlando as co-favorites in the East and in the entire league with Cleveland. They give the Magic a whopping 36-percent chance of finishing the regular season with the NBA's best record. That's not quite the same as winning the championship, so I'd put the odds at about one in four. Subjectively, I'm taking Orlando to win it all. West's status troubles me, and I think the Magic matches up better this year with the Lakers or whoever might come out of the other conference.
BD: Given the ultra-competitiveness of the top of the NBA right now, I'd put Orlando sixth the overall league pecking order, with maybe a seven to 10 percent shot at a title. My subjective pick is 52 wins and a six-game loss to Cleveland in the East semifinals.
I like to thank Bradford, Neil, Ryan, and Kevin for answering my questions.
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Nice roundtable here.
More info about our Magic is never a bad thing. I cannot wait until opening night tomorrow. Got a ticket last night so I will be there!
Regarding BD’s prediction: If Orlando is sixth in the league, which team is ahead of the Magic that is not named the Lakers Cavs Spurs or Celtics???
On another note, there was a nice article over on the painted area: http://www.thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/?gcid=C12289x022>kw=NBA:+The%20Painted%20Area
by MagicMark on Oct 27, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Based on his NBAPET projections at http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=747, I’d say the Jazz, since they’re projected to be tied with the Lakers and have a better record than Orlando, although BD does say his model’s overstating the Jazz’s defense.
"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Oct 27, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the TPA write-up will be in a news post later today.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hesitate to post these...
because I am pretty certain they will be covered at some point during the day. Such is the price of not being busy during my workday and constantly refreshing the mainpage looking for fresh comments to reply to. And having as much free time as I do i typically catch any article on the NBA/Magic within minutes of it being posted.
Will you be at the game tomorrow night E?
by MagicMark on Oct 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'll be there.
I’ll be at every home game until the Knicks game on December 2nd, then I head back to Chicago.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also the SI preview on their homepage.
But that would really just make everyone else as angry as I am right now.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read this one..
Some of these guys seem pretty clueless. We will just have to show them while racking up Ws.
by MagicMark on Oct 27, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly Pelton is the smartest of the bunch.
by downbeatitude on Oct 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or better yet Magic. Or even Karl Malone. Regardless who it is, the aim is to bone.
Classic example of a… a date rape.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 27, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dope track.
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"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm, Ryan Parker? Seriously?
don’t invite him back next time E. Not even because his answers lacked any sort of rationale (look at them, when does he EXPLAIN anything?) but because they were so curt as well.
Other than that, thanks for assembling these guys, but it just supports everything we already thought—-Most people don’t think we have a very good shot at all.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They all make valid points.
I’ve long considered the opinion that the Boston Celtics will be the Orlando Magic’s main threat, given the personnel the C’s have, so that’ll definitely be a major roadblock. Can’t forget about the Cleveland Cavaliers, though – the Cavs are going to be a tough team to beat this year. It’ll be tough.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the Cavs will be tough, but I don't think they addressed how we killed them last year
Yes, Shaq can slow Dwight down in the post, but I don’t see him being able to cover the Nelson/Howard or Carter/Howard pick-and-roll or pick-and-pop. His foot speed was never great (although it was good for a center in his youth), and his agility has declined with age to the point where I don’t see him as a major defensive upgrade over Ilgauskas.
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I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"
by The Dark on Oct 27, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in essence
Shaq has just become Clevelands new Ben Wallace, only instead of being undersized and severely overmatched Shaq will provide a bigger frame while he’s severely overmatched
I seriously dont think Shaq is much of an upgrade over BIg Ben. If he can play healthy for an extended portion of the season the way he did last year, he could be a decent upgrade over Big Ben but that is a a lot bigger ‘if’ than people are acknowledging and even then he still isnt a difference maker or that big of an upgrade over Big Ben
by Rays4242 on Oct 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq is an upgrade over Ben.
More so, offensively than anything else.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but all of that may be irrelevant with LeBron James.
Despite all the advantages Orlando had over Cleveland last year, LBJ almost made it not matter with his one-man tour de force. As long as he’s around, the Cavs are a dangerous threat.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure we won 4 games to 2
with Lebron getting 40 points in game six, hitting a miracle shot in game two and posting a PER near 38…
4 games to 2.
Come on.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but look at the point differential for the series, it was +13.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's with the Magic shooting obscenely well during the series and Ben Wallace getting minutes.
That’s the part that scares me — can the Magic really duplicate that shooting performance?
The difference is, though, that this Magic team is way better than last year, talent wise. They won’t be as reliant on outside shooting as last year because guys like Vince Carter and Brandon Bass can get efficiently score in conventional ways - isolations, dribble penetrations, etc.
by CaliFlorida on Oct 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt Lebron is a threat
That has been the case since, what, 2005?
All Im saying is Im really unimpressed with their offseason, and consideirng how unimpressed I was with them as a collective group last year I continue being not that impressed with him as Boston and Orlando continue moving forward
Cleveland is a threat to go to the finals with lebron, but the added attention they are getting (if thats possible) comes primarily from adding Shaq and to me thats laughable
by Rays4242 on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true, but I think Shaq's also going to be a question mark offensively
LBJ seems to be most efficient when he’s able to drive on the hoop, with Big Z and Floppy at the mid-range/perimeter area to draw big defenders away from the basket. Shaq doesn’t have the range to be a credible threat from outside, so interior defenders may be able to cheat off him and deny LBJ the open lanes that give him his best shots. Maybe Cleveland will figure a way to use both efficiently on offense, but currently I see more problems than solutions with the Shaq signing.
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by The Dark on Oct 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't really a fair argument about Shaq
since I’m pretty sure early Kobe and when he was with Wade both of those superstars were amazing at getting to the basket.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Focal Point.
Shaq was the focal point of both of those offenses, the Lebron situation is wildly different. Shaq has never played second fiddle and won a championship.
by MagicMark on Oct 27, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq was not the focal point of the offense with Wade.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he was.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except when they lost
to the Pistons it was because Wade was out, while Shaq missed the first two series and the Heat swept both teams.
The next year (in the Championship year) Wade was named NBA Finals MVP after averaging 34.7 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 2.67 steals and 1.00 blocks in a six-game series.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying Wade wasn't important, he was.
But the offense still centered around Shaq, even if he wasn’t the primary option as Dwyane began to be unstoppable in the playoffs.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way. Dwayne Wade was the first, second, and third option for that Heat team.
He carried that team by himself with one of the best finals performances of all time.
There were even background rumblings from Shaq about his touches throughout that 2 year run. That usually doesn’t happen if the offense is “centered” around someone.
That team was Wade’s team through and through — no one should confuse that.
by CaliFlorida on Oct 27, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but it didn't start that way.
That’s what I’m trying to say, in a very poor manner. Hah.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's a valid concern.
LeBron thrived so much last year because Zydrunas hung around the perimeter. Now with Shaq taking up space in the lane, you have to wonder how much will that affect James on offense and the spacing for the Cavaliers? It may not matter but it’s a question worth pondering. Likewise, and this continues to get overlooked for reasons I don’t understand, Kuester is gone to be Detroit’s head coach (the main who helped transform Cleveland’s offense this past season) and so you have to wonder if that may be a problem.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the concerns.
What I think most people are upset about is the fact that the talking heads hardly ever look at the possible downsides of all the other teams, and seem to focus on them when discussing the Magic. There is no doubt that the Lakers are the concensus #1 team in the league, but if we can play with the same defensive intensity and success we had last year, and we develop a good chemistry on offense, there is no question that the Magic would be better suited to possibly defeat them in a series. To do this though we will need to go through the Celtics and the Cavs, unless we get the #1 seed. Seems like none of these articles take into consideration any of the potential weaknesses of the other contendors, but it is dwelled upon with the Magic.
by MagicMark on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orlando has to get a a top-two seed if it wants to return to the NBA Finals.
I’m not discounting the Magic’s ability to pull off the road gauntlet again, as the team did last year, but it’d be a little easier to get home-court advantage against either the C’s or the Cavs.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either of those teams will be tough
We can beat either, but that does not mean we will. Last year we had some of our own miracle shots against the Cavs to win that series, Rashard flat out made his contract look reasonable in that series. But with the new additions and most importantly, with a healthy Jameer, this is a whole new ballgame. Hedo (still love what you did for us) can not measure up to Jameer in the PG column, I know the media plain forgot last year b4 Nelson got hurt how good we were, and how good he was, but I hope that this year is a pleasant reminder!
by Eric9321 on Oct 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've often said that the Celtics are the Magic's greatest opponent in the East,
but then Big Baby broke his thumb and is listed as being out indefinitely. The Cavs should take tonight’s game.
by downbeatitude on Oct 27, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love this quote from the Celtics owner:
“We’ll deal with it,” Grousbeck told WFXT. “I’m not going to call him ‘Big Baby’ anymore. He’s Glen. He needs to act like Glen. We’ll decide what to do once I talk to him, once we talk to him today.”
by downbeatitude on Oct 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've long discounted anyone who says one team will pose matchup problems for the Magic this year.
The Magic’s roster is too versatile and too deep - they can play any style at a high level. Whether the Magic will beat the Celtics or Cavs is a different question. But on paper, neither of those teams pose matchup problems for this Magic team.
by CaliFlorida on Oct 27, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres my take
Cleveland- This team is no more of a threat than they were last year. They had one more big bullet and they used it on Shaq. I think it greatly reduces their opportunity to win a championship, and almost certainly will spell the end of LeBron in Cleveland. This was in a way the last offseason/ chance to convince LeBron to stay, and they were set up in a position to become without a doubt the powerhouse of the East, but they failed miserably on Shaq. The secondary acquisitions they made afterwards will have bigger impacts, but not enough to make the difference. LeBron will have to be unbelievable to get this team to the finals
Boston- This is the only team in the East that you can truly pose an argument for being the #1 team above the Magic going into the season. At full strength, the Celtics and Magic are very evenly matched. Boston may be slightly better, but Boston is also a lot more likely to see either missed time from big stars, or severely diminishing talent due to old age. I like their offseason moves nearly as much as Orlando, but to me this team is a house of cards
Orlando- I am very confident that most of the criticism and skepticism regarding the offseason moves as well as the weaknesses this team has had the last 2-3 years will be in large part shot down very early on in the season. This team has addressed it’s inefficiencies from previous years, and in no way will they be impacted in a negative way from the moves that were made.
by Rays4242 on Oct 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree about Cleveland
I think they have greatly improved, Z couldn’t out muscle or out quick Dwight last year, Perkins from the Celtics was able to contain him by muscling him up, and Shaq will provide a lot more of that, I am not saying Dwight will be eliminated by Shaq, just he will have a tougher time than against Z and Andy.
Also, Cleveland should keep Lebron, if nothing else, Lebron has seen the they really want to keep a good team around him and will do what they can to facilitate his greatness. He wants money more than anything, and Cleveland can pay him the most, and has shown that it will spend to try to get him to the promised land. Other teams he would be taking a risk on their commitment to winning by spending. So, the Magic have a great chance, but the bottom line is that they will have to earn it again in the playoffs and this year will be that much more difficult than last year, even taking into consideration their upgrades.
Man is it Wednesday yet?
by Eric9321 on Oct 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the opening quote
thas all
Abracadabra homes
by nowuseemenowudont on Oct 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
52 wins?
So, how far does Dolittle expect the Magic’s defense to drop to offset the obvious increase in offense?
Otherwise, a great read.
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by Eyriq the Red on Oct 27, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I seriously think Jameer Nelson is the most under rated player in basketaball
but only if he remains as effective as he was the first 42 games last year
Inconsistency has been a problem in years past with Nelson, but as long as he doesnt mysteriously have a huge dropoff like Hedo did last year, he is the most underrated player in basketball. I hate how little respect he gets for being so vital to our team
I actually think Nelson may be the player we could least afford to lose this year
by Rays4242 on Oct 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I concur.
This team is as much Jameer’s as it is Dwight’s. Losing Nelson last year was huge.
by downbeatitude on Oct 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer's production will dip but not severely.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps,
but his penetration and floor leadership are what’s key.
by downbeatitude on Oct 27, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
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by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea his penetration driving is huge. He is really really good with pick and rolls and “probing” the defenses. He will penetrate all the way in and have a ton of options, shooting, passing, layup even when he’s denied inside he just probes back near the top and finds another layup, shot or pass.
by derekk on Oct 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Most importantly, I’ve been looking at the playoffs matchups with Celtics and Cavs and I keep ending up with Jameer being about the 2nd biggest factor. Not a Xfactor, but THE factor to winning the series. I immediately become happy bc he is replacing Alston and an All Star. (still love ya rafer) Great roundtable discussion and the guests are all very very good at what they do. I would also think it’d be really cool if we got a coach or X’s and O’s guy like say Moreau at Hoopsworld to bring their thoughts in. It’d really compliment the advanced stats analysis and in my case, I’d take it at it’s word over 99% other sources.
by derekk on Oct 27, 2009 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Still people think Orlando beating Cleveland was a fluke...
Whatever.
by RussL on Oct 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our record speaks for itself against the Lebronaliers.
’nuff said.
by MagicMark on Oct 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different team now.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the A Tribe Called Quest quote!
Best hip hop ever with diggable planets, Roots, Arrested Development and Wu Tang
"Put it on Film" (not on the glass)
by chiefs_55 on Oct 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm a fan!
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir!
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets get real!!!!
Let me just say this. People want to bring up the additions of Anthony Parker and Moon and say that these guys are going to neutralize what the magic do on the wings, get real. Parker is like 35 or 36 and is such a good player that he played in Europe last year, c’mon man. Moon, who has always been very athletic, can’t shoot, is skinny as a tooth pick and has gotten traded around quit a bit (there’s a reason for that). Hands down Boston is the Magic’s #1 threat. The cavilers, their fans, and Chris Broussard will be extremely dissapointed AGAIN this year, whether they get knocked out by us or Boston it’s not going to matter for them….
by orltragic07 on Oct 27, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Parker is 34 and played for the Raptors last year, not in Europe.
He hasn’t played overseas in years.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat
by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I'm starting to like this...
Always being underestimated and rarely being given respect by most of the writers can be a good thing. It does decrease the swelling of the head significantly. Just look at the ESPN poll today asking which team has the best chance to win the championship and the Magic weren’t even on the list (well we were if you pick “other”)! I’d leave that on the dry erase board all year. Underdog and being called a fluke and flash in the pan can work wonders for a world class athletes mindset.
Mention it to them often and lets see what happens.
by telka on Oct 27, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody of these so called experts...
remember that two of the three games needed to win the championship last year where won by a margin of six points or less?
by paching on Oct 28, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hope the Magic..
where watching the show that the lakers put on last night when they recieved the rings.That ought to put fire on their tails.
by paching on Oct 28, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















