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UPDATED: Orlando Magic News for October 26th: Another Positive Magic Prediction, Plus More Vince Carter / Hedo Turkoglu Fallout

  • TrueHoop Network Season Preview: Orlando Magic

    Zach McCann of Orlando Magic Daily predicts a 63-win season for the Orlando Magic. His reasoning is simple:

    I believe the Magic are an entirely better team than they were four months ago.

    That sentiment appears to be the consensus, at least from here. I predicted 63 wins, and Kelly Dwyer went with 64, in large part because the Magic won 59 games last year with a less talented roster. More from KD in a moment. First, more Vince Carter business.

  • Michael Wilbon: This season, elite teams will dominate the NBA (hat tip: Orlando Sentinel)

    Washington Post columnist/ESPN analyst Michael Wilbon says the Magic are among the five teams contending for a championship this season; the others are Boston, Cleveland, the L.A. Lakers, and San Antonio. But he's not as bullish on the Magic as he is on those other teams, due to Conventional Wisdom. Here's what I mean:

    The only player [of the big names the contenders added this summer, a list that includes Celtics reserve swingman Marquis Daniels] being counted on to deliver at a level he's never delivered is Orlando's Vince Carter, whose theme should be: "Son, you're incredibly overdue."

    Orlando is the team that's clearly taken on the biggest risk; yes, even bigger than the Lakers taking on [Ron] Artest or Cleveland taking on Shaq [O'Neal]. Orlando's best player is Dwight Howard, but the player most important to the team's success was Hedo Turkoglu, whose willingness to facilitate teammates is not a trait associated with Carter. But Orlando may have scored a coup with the acquisition of Brandon Bass, a tough guy, to play power forward alongside Howard. Still, Turkoglu's loss is going to hurt.

    The "Conventional Wisdom," as I employ it here, refers to the school of thought that emphasizes intangibles and privileges traditional lineups. As such, the Magic are worse off now because Carter's not the sort of "glue guy" Turkoglu is, but they could be better off starting Bass alongside Howard and, thus, moving Rashard Lewis to small forward.

    What struck me about Wilbon's take on the Magic is the bit about Carter being more selfish than Turkoglu. If Carter's so averse to sharing the rock, why'd he post a higher assist rate and lower turnover rate than Turkoglu last season? This point dovetails nicely with the next story in today's news post...

  • Vince Carter wants to coach after he retires

    ...which is Brian Schmitz's profile of Carter. Emphasis mine:

    He’s something of a loner, never had an entourage and has been an unselfish player despite all the all-star fanfare. [Magic coach Stan] Van Gundy even had to order Carter to quit trying to fit in during training camp, stop passing up shots to ingratiate himself with teammates.

    For another thing, he’s matured since his young, foolish days, when he wrestled with then -Toronto Raptors Coach Sam Mitchell and wanted out of Canada so badly his motivation waned.

    Former Magic Coach Brian Hill has said that Carter was the most coachable player he’d ever been around while an assistant with the New Jersey Nets the past few years.

    There's no merit to the claims of Carter's unwillingness to be a team player, statistically or otherwise.

  • Looking Ahead

    Nevertheless, the NBAPET prediction system does not like the Magic's chances this season, picking them to finish 49-33, which would be their worst record in the Van Gundy era. Why? Carter.

    Orlando's forecast is held back by the introduction Vince Carter into the Magic mix. NBAPET isn't a fan.

    At the same link, you'll see that the SCHOENE prediction system is a bit more kind to the Magic. The differences between the two systems are outlined in the post.

  • Preseason statistical oddities, Eastern edition

    As promised, more from Dwyer, who posted this rundown of unusual preseason statistics today:

    The Magic won all eight of their games, while downing teams by an average of nearly 18 points per game. Just saying.

    The team shot 41.6 from behind the arc, Dwight Howard had room enough to shoot 62 percent from the field ... but, sure, they'll miss Hedo Turkoglu's "spacing."

    Just for fun, here's his note on the New Jersey Nets:

    Rafer Alston shot 25.6 percent from the floor, and previews still list him under the "Key Losses" tag for the Orlando Magic.

  • NBA Basketball Power Rankings

    Marc Stein of ESPN posts his first power rankings since below training camp. Despite posting an 8-0 record in the preseason, the Magic have dropped from second to third to account for Lewis' 10-game suspension to start the season. The Lakers remain at the top, while Boston overtook Orlando for second.

    There's never a good time for a 10-game suspension, obviously, but the Magic -- with no less than a dozen guys vying for legit PT -- should handle Rashard Lewis' absence as well as any team in the league could.

  • NBA Road Trips and Home Stands Visualization

    Just for fun, here's a visual representation of each team's home- and road-stands in the coming season. Orlando's longest homestand is 5 games, while their longest road trip spans 4. In other words, its slate is pretty mild, with no wild variations in either direction.

  • UPDATE: From uniforms to undergarments -- it's all covered in the Uni Watch NBA preview

    Good news from Paul Lukas of Uni Watch, who reports that the Magic will wear their black, pinstriped alternate uniforms this season:

    Mid-'90s pinstriped throwback set for the Magic. Yes, we've all seen that throwback before, but there's no denying that it looks better than their current road uni. On-court debut: Dec. 2.

    Orlando will host New York for the black-uni debut.

  • Shaquille O'Neal, Gilbert Arenas face pressure in season ahead

    UPDATE 2 (from Eddy): Ian Thomsen of Sports Illustrated takes a look at what stories and which players will dominate the headlines for the upcoming NBA season.
  • Letter of the Law: The NBA from A to Z

    UPDATE 3 (from Eddy): Chris Tomasson of NBA FanHouse alphabetizes the NBA from A to Z.
    C is for cape. The one Dwight "Superman'' Howard wears got stepped on in the NBA Finals. Howard, who averaged 15.4 points in Orlando's NBA Finals loss to the Lakers, compared to 20.6 during the regular season, will look to bounce back while keeping his cape out of harm's way.
  • TrueHoop Network 2009-2010 Preview: The Immortals

    UPDATE 4 (from Eddy): Rob Mahoney of the Two Man Game states that Dwight Howard is a legend-in-the-making for the Orlando Magic.
    Howard’s form is impeccable, with size, strength, and athleticism like few would ever believe. He’s a tremendous athlete, and in that way he symbolizes sport. As a concept, sport is often thought to exist on somewhat of a continuum, with play existing on one end and spectacle on the other. Yet somehow, Dwight seems to experience the game with the ludic joy of a five year old in the yard while also setting new standards for NBA theatrics. Howard inexplicably exists at both extremes. He has blown apart the very fabric of sport as we know it in only a handful of seasons, and he’s done it while flashing that trademark smile.
  • 2009-10 Eastern Conference Preview

    UPDATE 5 (from Eddy): Neil Paine of Basketball-Reference previews the Eastern Conference. Here's what he had to say about the defending champs of the East:
    Not many teams coming off of a Finals appearance: A) get better the next season and B) aren't even the 2nd-biggest favorites to represent the conference in the Finals again. But that's where Orlando is. Carter was a fantastic addition and he makes them a stronger team; at the same time, I'm not sure they would be favored head-to-head against Boston or Cleveland if they played again today.

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Read the new power rankings.

I chuckled when reading the quoted phrases from Dwyer’s rankings. This season is going to be a lot of fun. Hoping we can get through the suspension 9-1 (loss being cleveland). This would be the ideal outcome.

by MagicMark on Oct 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

"New Jersey Nets

Rafer Alston shot 25.6 percent from the floor, and previews still list him under the “Key Losses” tag for the Orlando Magic."

Zing!

"When you make your final stand
I'll be right there
I'll never leave
And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Oct 26, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Typical

“…while the Celtics and Cavs (no huge surprise there) will play in the East.”

This gets more annoying with every columnist that copies and pastes it in their stories.

by Snyde on Oct 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy ****, SWEET. The return of the classic black pinstripes jersey!!!!!
I’ve always wanted to see the return of Black in the Magic jerseys, even if its only at times atleast. The color of Black just reeks of awesomeness and plays up a total villain in the hunt to upset the big market and media hyped teams. But seeing them in the CLASSIC black pinstripes will be Epic. I LOVE it, will prolly be alil weird at first but it is hands down the best Magic jersey and the best in the league IMO.

by derekk on Oct 26, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I have to say, that's my favorite Magic uni of all-time.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto. That'll be my last home game before I head back to Chicago.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 26, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang bro, How long you gonna stay in Chicago? I went there last summer, it was a really nice city, I liked it. Who do you think will look the best with the Black pinstripe jerseys? I think Vince, Jameer and Rashard will look awesome in them.

by derekk on Oct 26, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indefinitely, that's my home.

I’ll be starting grad school at Northwestern in January.

I think anyone would look good in black but I think Bass would look extra-menacing.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 26, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gratz on starting grad school bro. Bass would deftly look extra tough in that black pinstripe jersey. Good call on that. Would deftly make Dwight even scarier too haha!

by derekk on Oct 27, 2009 1:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

First time Vince Carter will wear a black jersey in a game.

Actually I don’t know about middle school, but from high school till Dec. 2, he’s never worn a black uniform. Just a tidbit.

It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."

by ben_gleicher on Oct 26, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL Cavs are paper champs till playoffs

Bwhahahahahaha

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Oct 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares? Let people predict, they have every right to do so.

Talking smack for or against a team means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 26, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

They can't prove anything till the playoffs, Which is true.

A fact I found funny.

I fail to see the “smack”

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Oct 26, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I wish not to Argue or upset the balance of this place

So I will refrain from any more posts of that nature.

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Oct 26, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lotta news today, I like it

It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."

by ben_gleicher on Oct 26, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't wait till Disney makes "Coach Carter 2"

It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."

by ben_gleicher on Oct 26, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, gosh.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 26, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can always tell who the uninformed are

Wilbon sounded just as retarded when he was one of the talking heads on TNT for the playoffs. Ho wmany Magic games do you think Wilbon watched last year in the regular season? If its more than 2-3 Id be shocked

yet these guys know what our team relie don last year based on a couple highlights and a few playoff games?

hedo was one of the least important players to our team before Nelson got hurt. Sure his value went up when he became our only playmaker. But with Nelson healthy he was the 4th most important player on our team, and with Carter here to supplement Nelsons penetration and facilitating abilities we dont need Hedo, at all

It is a myth that we will rely heavily on Carter as a facilitator. It is based on a style of play we were forced to institute when Nelson went down. WIth Nelson healthy, Carter only needs to give minor contributions as a facilitator and far less playmaking abilities than Hedo was forced to make when Nelson was gone

Thats why I cant stand these morons like WIlbon. I like WIlbon too, but I hate talking heads and Wilbon really is just another talking head with way too much to say and not nearly enough knowledge and homeowrk to back it up

by Rays4242 on Oct 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen

There’s only so much insight a person can have when they talk about EVERY professional and college sport in the nation. I prefer the opinion of “Basketball people” when it comes to basketball, not some guy who has 60 secs to talk about the NBA, then has to switch to talking about the BCS!! It’s kind of like the difference between buying a home theatre system made by Bose instead of Sony: Sony may be more popular, but not because it’s better. It’s just because they make ALOT of different things, so the quality is mediocre at best. However, Bose makes one thing, and does it better than everyone else: SOUND. So if you’re looking to save money, Sony will do the trick. But if you don’t want to have to need another speaker EVER, buy a Bose. Classic “Quality>Quantity” scenario.

To sum it up, even though I don’t AGREE with all of the opinions of the Basketball heads (TNT, NBA analysts on ESPN) I still prefer them over the generic writers and “talking heads” like Wilbon, Kornheiser, Adande, etc.

I hope I didn’t lose anybody…LOL

by pianolady on Oct 27, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get what you're saying.

That’s why I’d hate being a national writer.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone see the poll on espn.com?

Who will win the NBA Championship this season:

A. Lakers
B. Celtics
C. Cavs
D. Spurs
E. Other

Really ESPN?

by Snyde on Oct 27, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice.

I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.

"The second unit is kind of crazy because the second unit is only white guys." - Marcin Gortat

by erivera7 on Oct 27, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harsh.

These people are just harsh. Though I am not surprised Stein doesn’t have the Magic at the one spot. Thank you Rashard for giving Stein a reason to rank the Lakers #1. Had Lewis not been suspended, I’d of liked to see his justification for not making Orlando #1. One thing’s for sure, he’s always got an excuse to put LAL on top. If they Lakers had gone 8-0 in the preseason, he’d of given them the top spot for the first month.

Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.

by KingJafi on Oct 27, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Who cares about everyone's predictions..

The Magic are BACK IN BLACK BABY!!!! Best news I heard all day!

by pianolady on Oct 27, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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