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We Should Probably Not Ignore Ryan Anderson Anymore

Last night, the Orlando Magic laid waste to the New Orleans Hornets, 121-86, in a game only visible to the people who attended. Not even NBA.com has a highlight reel, which is fairly remarkable, as it somehow produced a highlight reel for the Magic's preseason game against the Miami Heat, which wasn't televised in Orlando or in Miami. Curious.

The real downside to not being able to see the Hornets game was completely missing Ryan Anderson's stellar performance. I noted in the game recap that Anderson led all scorers with 22 points, but I hadn't yet realized how impressively he had done so until I read this story by Brian Schmitz. He writes:

So it turns out it was Vince Carter who was the "throw-in" in the Magic's trade this summer with the New Jersey Nets.

Ryan Anderson laughed at the notion, but he stole the show on a Tuesday night in Wichita, Kan., when, actually, he and Carter carried the Magic to a 5-0 preseason record with a 121-86 trouncing of New Orleans.

Anderson scored 16 of his game-high 22 points in the third quarter, including 14 straight.

14 straight points, and 22 overall? From a guy only 5 months removed from being of legal drinking age? Holy smokes, I wish I had seen that. NBA.com's play-by-play account of the game is the next-best thing to a highlight reel, and sure enough, Anderson went berserk in the third quarter. In a five-possession sequence, lasting from the 8:19 mark to the 6:07 mark, he drilled 4 three-pointers (each with a hand from Jameer Nelson) and made a layup after grabbing an offensive rebound. 14 points in just over 2 minutes, on 5 shot attempts. The Magic's lead ballooned from 69-52 to 83-57 during this time. Un-flippin'-real.

So the bad news is that just about everyone missed seeing Anderson's (potentially meaningless) coming-out party. The good news? There's a chance for him to repeat it. With Stan Van Gundy likely to sit Rashard Lewis for the remainder of the preseason in order to better prepare for life without him during his 10-game suspension, Anderson and fellow newcomer Brandon Bass will see extended minutes at power forward. And thanks to two nationally televised preseason games in the coming weeks--Monday's match against Chicago is on WGN, available in many nationwide markets, while ESPN will carry next Friday's finale against Atlanta--Magic fans should have plenty of opportunities to see the team's youngest player continue to shine in exhibition play. With any luck, it'll continue into the regular season.

For people who put stock in such things--and I'm not sure there are many of them, since it is preseason--Anderson's cumulative preseason averages are 14 points and 4.3 boards in just over 20 minutes on 45% from the field and 50% from three-point range. His effective field goal percentage is a sky-high 62.5%. He is indeed making a strong case for inclusion in Van Gundy's rotation even after Lewis returns from his suspension, and may wind up starting ahead of Bass--who's having not such a bad preseason himself, with averages of 13 points and 5.5 boards on 65.3% shooting--in Lewis' absence.

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I had no idea we were....

The national media on the other hand? Well now that the Magic are relevant to them I imagine he’ll get noticed as our bench will be a factor in us being a contender.

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by Wasabi Steak on Oct 14, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow! I really wasn't expecting Anderson to be this good, even if it is only the preseason.

OT, I used Excel to create a graph of our point differential so far and it predicts that we will will by 56 in our next game. Lol.

by josh99 on Oct 14, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

If he plays solid D

he’ll get floor time. Jury is still out on his D, imo. I think he’s learning quickly though.

Boy if Ryan and JJ get going on the same night and shoot these >50% from 3pt land games…….

I know, I know. Preseason.

by magicfaninTN on Oct 14, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

He did lead the Pac 10 (12)

If I’m not mistaken he did lead the Pac-10 in scoring his freshman (only) year at Cal. There are some pretty good teams out west as well as some solid NBA players in nearly every draft. He’s got great length and a good basketball IQ. He’ll make a wonderful anchor for the second team, perhaps a Vinny Johnson “microwave” style player that can do more than just shoot. A real box score stuffer. Hey if JJ can play above adequate D in our system, surely Ryan will figure it out.
One thing is for sure, after the first preseason games I think every one on this site is chomping at the bit to get the real games going than 2 weeks ago, if that’s even humanly possible. I hope you guys (Ben and E) ain’t losing too much sleep yet! Keep up the great work! It’s all I can do here in Munich, to follow this site and a few others. Could be our year…
PS It’s snowing here already!!! The Magic keep me warm!!!

by mike in munich on Oct 14, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, he led the PAC-10 in scoring, but as a sophomore

OJ Mayo was second, half a point per game behind.

Anderson was the first Cal player ever to score 600 points and pull down 300 rebounds in a season.

Anderson in college:
Freshman: .476 SHT%, .382 3PT%, .798 FT%, 16.3 pts, 8.2 reb (played center second half of the year due to injuries) – #5 scoring, #5 rebounding in PAC-10
Sophomore: .490 SHT%, .410 3PT%, .869 FT%, 21.1 pts, 9.9 reb – #1 scoring, #3 rebounding

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by The Dark on Oct 14, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the percentages. Damn efficient.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

For comparison:

I know they play different positions, but given that Mayo was the “ohmigod” player in the PAC-10…

OJ Mayo, 2007-08:
.442 SHT%, .409 3PT%, .803 FT%, 20.7 pts, 4.5 reb, 3.3 ast in 36.8 minutes
36-minute averages: 20.3 pts, 4.4 reb, 3.2 ast

Ryan Anderson, 2007-08:
.490 SHT%, .410 3PT%, .869 FT%, 21.1 pts, 9.9 reb, 1.4 ast in 32.8 minutes
36 minute averages: 23.2 pts, 10.9 reb, 1.5 ast

I think the dude can ball.

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by The Dark on Oct 14, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course he can, that's why Otis and Stan were high on him coming into the draft.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, does the Magic have any throwaway players this year?

Last year, it was Jeremy Richardson where SVG would probably only consider playing him significant minutes if there were only 4 other players available for the game. This year, I guess it is Adonal Foyle, but I would still feel comfortable with him thrown in the rotation if Gortat or Howard went down for any reason. This team is stacked 1-13.

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by funny80sguy on Oct 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess Dad, JJ and Adonal are the throw away players

and they can all still be put out there. Even JJ…

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by Wasabi Steak on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably Foyle, but everyone else is a rotation-type player or better.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

To go with Peaches #20

Gotta get Anderson 33.

No Doubt.

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
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by BS Patrol on Oct 14, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Who has more talent - Ryan Anderson or Andrea Bargnani?

If RyAn was from a small town in Europe, would he be getting Dirk comparisons?

by TheRevTy on Oct 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure if you were trying to be Funny or not

But its a hell of a Valid point….

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Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Oct 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good question, actually.

It’s tough to judge because Anderson hasn’t gotten the playing time or the rope that Bargnani has gotten.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow he keeps playing like this mabey bass will not start for 40+ games( my prediction)

i,m sure he was playin their bench to tho.anderson is going to make up for losing lee thats for sure.

by magicman775 on Oct 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Ryan was playing against some of the starters.

Even then, it’s irrelevant who he played against because he still had to make those shots. Which he did.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like!

I trade my inconsolable tears for the Ariza trade, i know Ancient history but I loved him SO!!!

Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...

by BS Patrol on Oct 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those that don't know or don't remember, Otis wanted Anderson before Lee in the draft.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure? All I remember was CLee or CDR or Rush… Maybe they had a big man list they thought would likely be gone first, but just in case one of them is still there?

by derekk on Oct 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Otis said it himself that Anderson was 1, Lee was 2, on his board.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected :P

by derekk on Oct 14, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trade Bait?

What if after the first of the year Gortat and Anderson were rumored as trade bait. What do you think you could get?

by NC Magic Fan on Oct 14, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Anderson isn't going anywhere.

You don’t trade a player like him who’s on a rookie scale contract. As for Gortat, tough to say.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

you dont trade Gortat unless its a homerun offer.

Anderson is un-replaceable for the price and could be a gem. Gortat is arguable a top 10 center in the league. He is worth every penny esp. if God forbid Dwight gets hurt. That is a commodity that must be paid heavily for.

Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson

by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 14, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that simple, though.

Gortat’s contract will continue to escalate in price in each season and the Magic already have a ton of money committed to its core. Given that the salary cap and the luxury tax will continue to dip for the time being, it’s going to be extremely difficult for Orlando to hang onto Marcin.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

gortat is gone latest next offseason.

we will not pay for him more than a year.even if he helps us win a championship.i think we will get a first round pick and a middle of the run player. who knows what going to happen in dec. or jan. with this trade ex. expiring after this year. i,m assuming otis does not let it go to waste.

by magicman775 on Oct 14, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you know that DeVos was M.Cuban wealthy before Cuban was born? (just kidding BTW)

But seriously Rich Devos is one of a handful of owners that can afford to spend deep. He has a new arena opening and happens to have the #1 and possibly #7-#10 centers in the league. Gortat is a pricey Lloyds of London policy that will keep us as contenders should (shudders and knocks on wood) Dwight get hurt. To pry something like that away from a owner as smart and business savvy as RDV is, will cost heavily. I just do not believe we signed him to just hand him away, RDV can afford to wait for top return on his investment. And if by some fluke he is wrong he will just sell more shampoo and vitamins to make up for it.

Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson

by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 14, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ownership can afford to wait, but they can't wait that long.

Not with the current NBA economic climate.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big changes coming with new CBA

You have to figure that the US economy will turn around as well

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by ben_gleicher on Oct 15, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yizzir.

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by erivera7 on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

none the less gortat will be traded probley with the trade ex.

stop talking about howard gettin hurt please. devos is rich tho. well see how deep hes willing to go when he trades him.mabey another star if things dont work out this year.but we have a good (chance) at raddling off a couple championships here.

by magicman775 on Oct 15, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't combine a player with the trade exception.

And to clarify, you don’t “trade” a TPE, you “fill it”.

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by erivera7 on Oct 15, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im glad Ryan had a great last game, but I feel like he has a shorter ceiling than everyone else does. I don’t know many PF’s that good from 3 land while being a defensive beast or rebounding machine, Troy Murphy is kinda that and a great goal for Anderson to be.

 I also contend the optimal lineup is Nelson, Carter, Pietrus/Barnes, Lewis, Dwight so where is Anderson? When Lewis is tired he will be great depth without changing style or dropping team play much, thats about all I see. And that doesnt even solve the problem of tough, big interior teams like BOS, LA maybe CLE and SAS too. (Unless they can’t respond as well to the offense and the Magic play great defense still)

Which goes back to my projected lineup prediction from the 3QC Project a Lineup post, Bass will be more important for the defense and style he brings so long as the team adapts to it well and Bass can ball (the preseason stats are very impressive, but Ive not seen enough of his defense yet). Magic will either use only Bass or only Anderson each game as the matchups dictate, but with Bass more so the Magic get more and more comfortable with a more traditional-ish lineup and so the game opponents get confounded with two different looks.

by derekk on Oct 14, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Shorter ceiling? The numbers project him favorably to guys like Lewis, Nowitzki, etc.

Ryan is just 21 years old, he has plenty of room to grow as a player, especially on the defensive end.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not overly athletic and his inside the paint forays are downright horrible. Its just that a 3pnt shooting big man usually gives way to toughness and other qualities to have that long range advantage usually and I see that in Anderson. And when it pertains to the optimal lineup and who’s experienced to win a title right now, I say Rashard Lewis does the same things as Anderson and more on both sides of the floor overall. Barnes and Pietrus are experienced high level defender vets and have had playoffs successes. A future PF for the Magic in Anderson? Maybe yes I say, but not right now, with how good Lewis is. Id be playing Bass like crazy instead, he has more upside and his strengths are not matched by anyone else outside of Dwight who plays at C, not PF. My only concern with Bass is how quickly the new Magic will learn the two styles of play with Lewis and Bass at 4.

by derekk on Oct 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will admit that Im very confident in the 4 out, 1 in style tho and the argument of simply playing Anderson over Bass as the primary backup PF to Lewis has much merit since it keeps the style the same.

by derekk on Oct 14, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why the Magic can't play Anderson AND Bass.

Doesn’t have to be one or the other.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, dont you think Lewis is best at PF? You would rather have Lewis and Ryan over Pietrus/Barnes and Lewis?

by derekk on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Rashard is best at the 4.

What I’m trying to say is that there’s room to play Ryan and Brandon, not one or the other.

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by erivera7 on Oct 14, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's one reason I think Gortat may be expendable in the mid-term to long-term

Bass may be a perfectly adequate back-up to Dwight. I wouldn’t want to lose Gortat now, because we’re seeing how Bass does as a 4 beside Dwight and Marcin, but if a good deal comes along, we can trade Marcin and (theoretically) slide Brandon to the reserve 5 instead of the reserve 4.

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by The Dark on Oct 15, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if that will work vs. Cleveland

6’6" Bass vs Shaq at 7’1" or Z at 7’3"?

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by ben_gleicher on Oct 15, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pre-draft (so 15 or so years ago for Shaq)

Bass:
Standing reach 8’ 10.5"
No step vert 31.5"
Maximum vert 33"

Howard:
Standing reach 9’ 3.5"
No step vert 30.5"
Maximum vert 35.5"

Ilgauskas
Standing reach 9’5"

O’Neal
Standing reach 9’5"
Maximum vert 36"

Howard’s already giving up reach to both O’Neal and Ilgauskas. Yes, Bass gives up more reach, but with the lack of mobility from Cleveland’s centers, Bass should be able to get positioning, which is important. Against big fast centers, Bass would be at a disadvantage, but there are few of those.

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And all I ask of you is
Believe"

by The Dark on Oct 15, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bass can play the center position, even if he gives up a little height.

He makes up for it with his ridiculous strength and wingspan.

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by erivera7 on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

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