Orlando Magic News for October 1st: A Report from John Hollinger; Dwight Howard Reflects on South Africa
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Wayne Winston: Mark Cuban's Stats Expert Isn't Bashful, Part 2
Henry Abbott of TrueHoop shares part two of his discussion with Wayne Winston, who's been a statistician for the Dallas Mavericks the past nine years. Here's a portion of the write-up that stood out to me:Why did Cleveland lose to Orlando? I did a post on that. Everybody thinks Mike Brown did a bad job coaching, right? OK, when Ben Wallace played, they lost by a point a minute.
FYI, Orlando outscored Cleveland by 13 points in the series.
They have a stat guy who does this kind of work. They used to have Dan Rosenbaum.
They still have Dan Rosenbaum. Then ask Dan Rosenbaum why he let this happen. I would never let his happen.
The 57 minutes when Ben Wallace played, and they didn't have Joe Smith in there, they lost by 58 points. -
How will Orlando use its new players?
John Hollinger of ESPN.com gives his report from training camp for the Orlando Magic. For those curious, he was in town on Tuesday and I was able to chat with him before and after practice - very nice and personable person. -
Stan Van Gundy Doesn't Do Honeymoons
Bethlehem Shoals of The Baseline chimes in on the "controversy" surrounding head coach Stan Van Gundy critiquing Vince Carter's defense, so far.Could he play better defense? Yes, anyone could. But is this really the right foot for SVG to get off on with his prized off-season acquisition? Treating a player set in his ways like a rookie and acting like you didn't know what you were getting is just a little naive. Maybe Van Gundy could push Vince later, or do so situationally. Like this, though, right off the bat, almost ultimatum-like ... I kind of see what Shaq was talking about.
First, for what it's worth, I was the individual that asked Van Gundy about Carter's defense (not that it entirely matters in the grand scheme of things). Second, this is who Stan is and he's not going to change. After it was all said and done, Vince agreed with what his coach had to say and that was the end of it. I think more time needs to pass before people start declaring the "marriage" is in crisis mode. Let's see what happens, first.
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Reflecting on South Africa
Dwight Howard posts on his official blog, today, and shares his experience being over in South Africa for the NBA's Basketball Without Borders program.It was a life-changing experience for anyone who goes over there. I’ve never been a cocky person, never been a person who cares about material things and for anybody who does, the best thing they could do would be to go to Africa and see how the people there are. They don’t care about material things or money and being rich is not the goal of the people there. They are rich at heart and rich in spirit.
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Thursday-afternoon practice report (with audio): team to have Friday off, Pietrus turns ankle
UPDATE: Josh Robbins has his report of the team's afternoon practice session and and offers an encouraging quote from the ol' coach.After Thursday afternoon’s practice, there was no need to joke. Van Gundy decided to give his players Friday off.
"Their effort was great," Van Gundy said. "I know they’re tired, but they pushed through it good, and we got a lot of defensive work in. So, I thought that was good. We need to continue a lot of that, but they did a great job." -
The 10 best centers of the last decade
UPDATE 2: Kelly Dwyer of Ball Don't Lie lists his top ten centers of the past decade and Superman makes the list (#3), not surprisingly.Only on the scene since 2004-05, he's taken a while to come around defensively (despite all the blocks) and offensively (despite all the dunks), and he's a bloody beast.
Forget the mitigating factors. Forget the growing pains. Let's talk about right now, and what he's done right then. Howard has averaged 17.3 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.9 combined steals/blocks, 57 percent shooting in 36 minutes a game.
Five seasons in, turns 24 in December. Good luck with all ... that. -
Greek strategy: An alpha male must emerge in Orlando -- right?
UPDATE 3 (from Ben): Ken Berger of CBSSports.com writes about what he perceives to be the perceived lack of leadership Dwight Howard and Vince Carter--the Magic's two best players--display.What happens when you pair two franchise cornerstones who are reluctant to lead and ask them to split the job? That is why Orlando will be one of the most interesting teams to watch this season -- even more so than teams like the Celtics, Cavaliers and Lakers, who have cornered the market on dominant personalities.
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If you agree with my theory that the Magic would be better if Howard fully embraced the role of franchise player, then you'll agree that the only thing that will save him this season is Carter's reluctance to do the same.
I asked Carter after practice Wednesday how it struck him that he doesn't need to be the offensive focal point in Orlando, and his answer was exactly what I expected: That's not what he wants, anyway. In fact, one of the things that most enthused him about coming to Orlando, according to a source, was the assurance he received from the basketball staff that he wouldn't be the center of attention.
There's plenty to unpack in Berger's article, so please click-through to read it. Among the more thought-provoking takes on the Magic I've read in a long time.
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who is this chump talking about how svg coachs.
the fact is svg gets more out of his players than most coachs in the nba.and shaq has been washed up for years now imo. if wade had not gone off in the playoffs like a mad man shaq would not have that ring in miami. i dont think shaq will ever see the finals floor ever again.shaq was the man in his younger days and now he gets off by downing other people.we will see you shaq and i bet we beat clev. without shard in that game here in a month.
by magicman775 on Oct 1, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They can write about drama all they want, but it’s Vince and SVG actually talking to each other about it, and they seem great actually.
by derekk on Oct 1, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don't see any friction.
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by erivera7 on Oct 1, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Let VC know that lazy sh!t will not fly on this team. No plays or games off. Stan’s attention to detail is going to take this team to the next level.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Oct 1, 2009 7:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I've read these Wayne Winston posts and something is off with this guy.
I don’t know if it’s just his writing, but lots of things he says are vague and in some cases incoherent.
by CaliFlorida on Oct 1, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there's been some discussions over at the APBRmetrics board.
Someone stated that he seems dogmatic about his views with APM, which makes seem off-putting.
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by erivera7 on Oct 1, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good up date the berger read.
hes right at some point dwight is going to have to step up.shooting 70% from free throws will help alot.carter sounds like he is going to fit in just fine.
by magicman775 on Oct 1, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berger article
Reminds me of the episode of The Office I just watched. Jim was promoted to co-manager with Michael and their styles were conflicting with each other. Eventually, the whole office began to get angry with them over their indecisiveness and unwillingness to agree with each other.
Of course, this is irrelevant to the Magic, but just thought I’d use this to find any other Office fans out there =P
by bandrewg08 on Oct 1, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On season 2 show after Oscar was Outed!
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 2, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that is season 3
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha yea thats 3
“We are all homos… homosapiens.”
Sorry about the spoiler, btw.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 2, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berger article, for real though
The alpha-male thing is a good point, but is one really necessary? Was there really a Kobe/KG/Shaq type on those Spurs teams? Tim Duncan’s teams were all relatively humble and quiet, with Manu being their most fiery player.
I think ultimately, this debate will be overrated. The team just needs to play their best basketball every night.
But my vote for alpha-male/leader of the team?
Stan
by bandrewg08 on Oct 1, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dead on with the Spurs analogy
Vince had such a bad experience with a below average team and sky high expectations from local and national media that he never wants to be the focus of the attention again. He does defer too much sometimes in the first 3 quarters, but in the 4th he always seems to make the right play. Look at 82games.com and their crunch time statistics… there were few better. The last year NBA.com had its Nestle “Crunchtime” stat, Vince won it for the year (I think it was 05 or 06.)
There won’t be an issue on the court with an alpha male… the Magic brought in Vince to seal the deal in the 4th. That doesn’t change the fact that this is Dwight’s team. Everyone knows he’s the key to success.
Vince will always defer to Dwight in the media tho, no doubt about it.
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Oct 1, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it could be a good thing that they're both deferring
They understand that everyone on the team is responsible for the team’s success. At least, we know we don’t have any “cancer” players on the team.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 1, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone on the team understands their role.
From being able to speak with nearly everyone on the team, everything seems clear in that sense.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know -- I think Tim Duncan is a pretty intense player.
Maybe it’s a quiet intensity, but you never saw him smiling on the court. I do think that championship teams need to play mad, so to speak.
by CaliFlorida on Oct 1, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quiet intensity
That’s why I love Duncan. He demands respect without having to yell and make pissed off faces.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 1, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And maybe not so much playing "mad"...
…Regarding championship teams. But having that killer instinct.
The real emotional teams have highs and lows. Maybe sometimes their highs can take them all the way, but it is the more consistent teams that have more success.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 1, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything, Tim just methodical.
He’s so even-keeled and you know what type of production you’ll get, is what makes him great.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I dislike that about him.
Duncan is another one of those players with a perpetual scowl on his face. He appears like a sad little crybaby to me. This is why he got that rediculous ejection a little while back. The refs. was sick of having to look at his pouty frown face.
Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson
by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 2, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes one of us. If I had a choice, I'd take Duncan over Garnett.
by CaliFlorida on Oct 2, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here. Tim all day
Cry baby or not, he’s the best PF of all time.
Talking about cry babies, we have one of the biggest ones in the league in Dwight, whether you’d like to admit it or not. Hopefully that changes this year.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 2, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight can fill a bucket
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on both points
Tim is the best PF of all time, he just cries to much.
And Dwight is heading down the same road of arguing every possesion. I dislike that about his game.
Thats me chilling with Nick Anderson
by The Magic made Lebron run off the court on Oct 2, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares? All players complain.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What puzzles me is that Jameer isn't even mentioned.
He’s as much of a leader as Dwight, yet is conspicuously absent from the article.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 1, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely
I think Berger automatically went for the 2 best players. Though we all know the leader isn’t necessarily the best player. But it is important for the best guy to at least lead by example.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 1, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, I was just a little surprised Nelson wasn't mentioned.
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by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He IS our alpha
He’s the team captain, no question.
by eltharion_doa on Oct 2, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So jealous you got to meet Hollinger
I respect his work more than anyone else’s in basketball.
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Oct 1, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's a nice guy. Got to meet him, Broussard, and Berger while they each were in town.
I'm the other guy at Third Quarter Collapse, with a Twitter account.
"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 1, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Hollinger story
So I arrive at Game 4 of the Finals and put my stuff down, then get up to grab something to eat. When I get back, Hollinger is sitting in my seat, talking to a woman nearby, evidently a good friend of his.
Thing is, I need to sit down and start writing, but I don’t want to be rude. So I say, “Excuse me, Mr. Hollinger,” as politely as possible, and he gets up, says, “Pardon me,” and moves down a bit to continue this conversation.
Not sure what the point of that story is, but, uh, yeah.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Oct 1, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify, just so there's not any confusion-
John wasn’t, like, flirting with her or anything. Don’t read too heavily into “evidently a good friend of his.”
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Oct 1, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol she must've been attracted to his efficiency formulas
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Oct 2, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Disgruntled" Dad?
Read the John Denton chat on HoopsWorld and he said that AJ was “disgruntled” and “wanted out” of Orlando after answering a question about JWill. Ben and E, have you guys heard this too?
by bandrewg08 on Oct 2, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be pissed if someone came out of retirement and kicked my ass too.
It’s understandable at this point, but there will be a point in the season where ORL will need AJ to play significant minutes, so it’ll work out
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Oct 2, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my apologies for the redundancy of that post lol
It's not a dunk unless your hand makes contact with the rim. Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, "Superman..."
by ben_gleicher on Oct 2, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Magic need to have three point guards, especially after last year.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't heard anything about that, and A.J. seemed fairly happy at media day
But J.D. is one of the best in the business, as you know, so there could very well be merit to his report of A.J.’s unhappiness.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Oct 2, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Denton has been one of the better Magic writers
So I tend to trust what he says. But it seems out of character for a vet like AJ.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 2, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard anything like that but I can get in contact with JD and ask him what's up.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be cool. Thanks, E
Just when I thought we were drama-free… Haha, AJ always finds a way to make us mad every once in a while
by bandrewg08 on Oct 2, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drama-free? But Vince Carter played horrible defense the first day of camp so clearly the Magic are doomed, which is dramatic.
I mean, if it weren’t dramatic, these stories about it wouldn’t exist.
Third Quarter Collapse: An Orlando Magic blog at SB Nation | Brandon Bass: "I just play hard."
by Ben Q Rock on Oct 2, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So pretty much Eddy is the reason for all this "controversy"
Haha way to go, man.
by bandrewg08 on Oct 2, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, who would have thought my question would cause such a ruckus.
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"Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement." - Michael Corleone
by erivera7 on Oct 2, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Celtics Article is FEAR manifesting itself
They saw what a rejuvenated Pierce did when KG and Allen came to town, Vince to Orlando Scares everyone. trust me when I say this.
Keep pumpin, ain't worried bout nuttin
Busters thought we was frontin, so reload and keep dumpin
Keep Sleeping on Orlando...
by BS Patrol on Oct 2, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoals is spinning that for controversy
If you go and read the Fanhouse article, Vince says:
“No, I’m not surprised (about Van Gundy’s criticism)…You can have 12 turnovers (and nothing is said) with him, but you let one guy go back-door and get caught looking, he’ll let you have it. I won’t make that mistake again.”
And van Gundy follows up with:
“He did not play with great focus, particularly near the end of the scrimmage…He just didn’t do as good a job as I know he’s capable of. He’s a smart guy and capable of being good defensively. He wasn’t at that level today. I think he would tell you that, too.”
Doesn’t sound like ZOMG dramaz! to me, but hey, I don’t need hits for my web column.
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