The Trade That Would Never Happen
Warning: I'm writing this as a biased Magic fan. Not as an objective journalist. Hence it's placement here as a FanPost, not as an actual article/post.
I posed a rather .. unrealistic scenario via a comment I made in the Miami/Orlando recap post written a few days ago. Per Ben's request, I'll go ahead and flesh out the most ridiculous trade possibility I've come up .. here, in this FanPost.
Amid the reports lately that the Phoenix Suns are exploring trading [!?!] Amare Stoudemire given his discontent, coupled with the fact 3QC member UNFNOLE stated he'd personally would trade Hedo Turkoglu at the deadline (with the uncertainty of re-signing him in the off-season fueling this idea), naturally I put two + two together to come up with THE trade that would shake the NBA world this season.
Again, I want to repeat that I know that this trade would NEVER happen, but who knows. Slip Suns GM Steve Kerr a few drinks here & there and maybe .. just maybe, he'd be stupid enough to pull the trigger on the deal. Wishful thinking, I know.
Anyways, this is the deal I came up here, thanks to ESPN's Trade Machine.
Orlando receives:
PF/C Amare Stoudemire
Phoenix receives:
SF/PF Hedo Turkoglu (expiring contract, does have a player option)
SG Keith Bogans (expiring contract)
SG J.J. Redick
PF Brian Cook (expiring contract, does have a player option)
ORL 2009 1st Rd. pick
ORL 2009 2nd Rd. pick
ORL's $3.3 Mill. trade exception (via New Jersey due to Dooling signing)
Rationale for Orlando - Clearly at first glance, this trade looks ridiculous. The only player of legitimate value is Turkoglu. Bogans, at best, is a useful rotation player (with three-point shooting/defensive ability but nothing more). Redick has shown flashes of being a useful rotation player .. his addition to the deal is due to his ability to space for the floor for Phoenix/Shaq (ala Orlando/Dwight). Cook, to be frank, is terrible but his expiring contract presents some value. The draft picks are a given. How about that trade exception the Nets tossed to the Magic during the off-season, as compensation for the Dooling signing? Sure is useful in this scenario, given additional money needs to be funneled Phoenix's way to make the financials work.
Given the uncertainty surrounding Hedo's future with the team, here's a trade that would make sense for GM Otis Smith to pull the trigger on (duh). However, the Magic will inherit the risk of not being able to retain Stoudemire themselves. But .. at least Orlando will get Amare for a year & a half. Given Rashard will begin to age/decline in the next coming years, this is easily the Magic's best window of opportunity to win a Title. So why not go all out?
Rationale for Phoenix - It's no secret that Amare wants out, so why not get value for him? Clearly the Suns will never get a trade offer that's completely fair .. it's become obvious that if you trade a superstar away, chances are you're going to lose on the deal (exceptions are made). But hey .. I'm just coming up with the pipe-dream scenario.
Anyways, this trade actually makes a tiny bit of sense. By adding Turk, Phoenix is able to truly space the floor for Shaq and surround him with deadly three-point shooters (Nash, J-Rich, Hedo). One of the factors affecting Stoudemire's play this season is the fact there's not enough room for him to operate inside, with Shaq in the lane. So .. one way to fix that problem is to simply eliminate Amare from the equation entirely. Granted, playing Hedo (presumably) at PF is a slightly idiotic idea for the Suns, but hey, I warned you this trade was ridiculous.
The expiring contracts & draft picks provide Phoenix with flexibility to to eventually rebuild in the future, since it's clear their window of opportunity is closing fast, or has already closed already. If they choose to do so, the Suns are more apt to re-sign Hedo (given his cheaper price tag compared to Amare) than they would be trying to re-up Stoudemire next season. However, it's doubtful the Suns want to invest heavily in a player steadily approaching 30 years of age. Who knows, though ..
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I'm not a Suns expert by any means, but it's becoming increasingly obvious either one of two scenarios is going to occur for that team .. a.) they're going to restructure the roster to build around Stoudemire (to appease him) once the veteran players ride into the sunset (pun intended) or b.) they'll go for broke and trade Stoudemire, in an attempt to get some value for him before his eventual departure.
It'll be interesting to see how that storyline plays out with Stoudemire & the Suns.
I will repeat for a third time that I know my above trade scenario would NEVER happen, but imagine if it did? How lethal would a Amare/Dwight frontcourt be? Rashard Lewis slides back to his natural SF position. The Magic bench would still be deep enough - with Tony Battie, Marcin Gortat, Anthony Johnson, and Mickael Pietrus as the main reserves. Orlando's three-point shooting tendencies would decline a bit, but certainly a more balanced attack would translate better in the Playoffs if the threes aren't falling. Head coach Stan Van Gundy would probably foam at the mouth having two dominant big men.
Ahh .. the possibilities.
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A very interesting scenario....
and the Suns add to thier growing list of Orlando Alumni (Shaq, Hill, then Turk and Bogans) lol
BTW: i guess nothing ever came of the Hill for Reddick rumours. They died down as quickly as they came up!
can’t help but be excited at the idea of Orlando putting our own incarnation of the twin towers on the floor!
by FLYNN47 on Jan 27, 2009 3:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking on my part .. just a trade that'd never happen.
Still cool to think about the possibility though.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
since we talking improbabe trades,
how about Boozer? Also somewhat disgruntled and expandable in Utah. Smaller than Amare but better rebounder. Cheaper than Amare so Orlando will be able to keep one of the backup 2guards.
by pcnyc on Jan 27, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I posted this option yesterday
and not to negate a VERY interesting post, I think that this may be the more viable option. And honestly I think Boozer’s play compliments our team more than ours…why? Defense. Amare since he has been in the league has never been asked to play defense until this year, and he hates it. Mind you, either one I would trade for Hedo, some expendable parts, and a draft pick or two.
I agree with whoever (UFNOLE?) brought up the Blockbuster trade thing. I am a San Diego Chargers fan, and I know what it’s like to keep someone in ‘hopes’ of winning a championship then not winning the championship and losing your opportunity to get anything for said player.
Great post Rivera.
by fwedo on Jan 27, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I .. disagree with UNFNOLE, in the sense, that we shouldn’t trade Hedo at the deadline. But I’d be willing to dish him if it was a trade that the Magic couldn’t refuse.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think we can win the championship
with the team assembled? I don’t. Therefor, why would we keep a guy, we aren’t even sure will continue to be here, whos stock is greatly rising and waste that value?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the current team assembled, Orlando can win a Title.
With Amare, the Magic’s chances would simply increase, and possibly make the team a prohibitive favorite in the East.
Again though, this trade would never happen so it’s a moot point.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My argument isn't specifically about this trade.
It’s about getting rid of Turk. I don’t think we can win a championship with the team assembled, ESP if we have to see Boston.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think Orlando is a Title contender in its present form.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
I think the bigger priority that needs to be addressed is upgrading the back-up PG position .. maybe even upgrading at PF.
Unless the team is trading Hedo for like .. a stud, then I think Otis Smith is more apt in trading for a small upgrade that won’t disrupt the team’s chemistry too much.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer was brought up late last night, and I actually like the idea the more I think about it.
The points that are made are valid.
Disgruntled, now expendable with Millsap’s meteoric rise. It’s evident that he’s going to going to opt out this year, so in Utah’s case, why not get value for him? Granted, there’s no guarantee the Jazz would be able to re-sign Hedo but they’ll have the money to do so, plus have a ton of player & picks coming their way.
I would do a Boozer/Hedo & etc. trade in a heartbeat. I think that trade makes more sense from a player personnel/value and financial standpoint.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I’m fully aware we’re in the land of unlikely scenarios, but why would Otis want a guy who lied to a blind man (the Cavs owner) to get out of his contract and leave? According to Otis, he only wants players with good character.
by funny80sguy on Jan 27, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point, sure.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Turk has value....
we need to get something for that. Who knows if he will even be back next year.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this .. GM Otis Smith is working hard to clear room to re-sign Hedo in the off-season.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
His price-tag is going to be so much HIGHER than he is worth. Otis has done a great job, but I would be an opponent if this were the case. We have too many guys who do the same thing. We need more versatility in order to be a legit title contender (we are SO close, but Turk is not going to get us over that hump). His defense is suspect as best, and what he offers (that other teams NEED) is just not the most productive way to run an offense.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't kill me, I'm just the messenger.
I’ve spoken with the Sentinel’s Kyle Hightower and that’s what he feels Otis plans on doing.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not blaming you
Im asking (everyone) a question that needs to be addressed. I think that is a HUGE HUGE mistake. However, the Magic will probably sign him to a 5 year deal and he will age out of his prime after next year and we will again be left with an absurd contract.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather give him 3 years at an average higher annual salary
Doubt he’d go for that, though.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 27, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we're all going to find out in the off-season what happens.
All we can do now is speculate.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not have to even give him 3 years.
I would rather us trade him, get his MAXIMUM value in a trade (which is now), and not worry about 1 year, 3 years or 5 years.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Easier said than done.
I’m open to trading Hedo but only in the right deal. There’s a number of variables that need to be taken into account – most important, namely chemistry, etc.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be so awesome
I would literally have to take a week off work to recover from the awesome.
If I was working.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 27, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ditto. It's a tantalizing scenario (for Amare or even for Boozer).
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would completly change our style of play
That’s the problem with trading Hedo, he’s so vital to our offense. He opens up the floor so we can drop bombs form outside and he takes some of the facilitating duties away from Jameer so he can concentrate on scoring (at times). At this point, I don’t know how I feel about trading Hedo at all.
We have a legit shot at the Finals with the team we have right now. Regardless of who we get back, no one knows how we will look without Hedo.
by magic fanatic on Jan 27, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with changing out 'style'
of play? I also disagree with that. We still have 2-3 players on our starting lineup who can knock down the three ball. We don’t play an outside – in offense. We play in an inside – out. So really, he doesn’t set up our offense (as you assert), but rather distracts from versatility.
He is a smart player, but just lacks the athleticism to do anything other than standing at the arch.
Don’t get me wrong. He has helped us win games (he is CLUTCH). I think our ‘record’ is better than it would be without him. However, to win a playoff series Turk is simply not the answer.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against the Magic changing styles.
To be honest, even if Orlando were to get a guy like Amare (or Boozer for that matter), the team would simply be more balanced. I still think SVG would make the three-ball a priority, but now there would be a legitimate second-option if/when the threes aren’t falling.
I think right now the Magic have legitimate Plan B’s & C’s when the three-pointer isn’t dropping, but certainly with an acquisition of an elite big man, like the names mentioned, Orlando would be better apt to adjust in the Playoffs when the pace will slow down.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
I think they have a plan B. Whats that? Give the ball to Dwight. However, Boston played this PERFECTLY. They shut Dwight down first, then took away the 3. We were forced into difficult shots, and really had nothing else to go to. Please let me know what their plan C is, because I don’t see it.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer, Hedo, Lewis, etc. penetrating into the lane.
Ergo Plan C.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not very effective because we don't have
a player who is above average at it. Jameer…maybe
If you are in the NBA and CAN’T get into the lane…you grew up in Nebraska
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Hedo & Lewis can be effective at it, they just don't do it enough.
Jameer is effective at it because he does it consistently on a game-to-game basis.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dwight Howard
Still devloping, I would love to see quicker drop step move and him use that bank of the square more often. If he can pull the opposing Defender out another step it will improve his ability to get to the rim.
Acie Law is just taking space on the Hawks bench, let’s make a move for him..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 27, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary that D12 is the best Center in the NBA, yet he still can improve.
You make some valid points about Howard.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at what we did tonight with Pietrus slashing
a changing of our bombing style would be beneficial to this team. balance, balance, balance.
by fwedo on Jan 28, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem I see..
Is Hedo is our only real slahser, until Courtney Lee gains confidence Hedo is one the person who goes to the whole with authority.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 27, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pietrus is more of a slasher than Hedo is.
When healthy, at least.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
another thought
Hedo is the player we give the ball to win the game as time expires.. He has made some big shots in the last couple years.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 27, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One main difference
Turk’s drives are usually in-control.
Pietrus, in contrast, is unafraid to run people over. Offensive fouls. Bad.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 27, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that assessment, sure.
Just pointing out that Air France does slash, albeit not as effectively as Hedo.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the rest of the team
makes Turk look like Kobe Bryant off the ball….and he’s definitely not.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like being as swift of foot
as Jeff Garcia….he can make it happen, but it’s not pretty.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah. Kudos on the Jeff Garcia reference.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S
I am not ‘off’ the bus, I am just so hardened when it comes to Magic basketball. Being a fan from the start takes it’s toll.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry. We all care as Magic fans .. that's why we're here as a community.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides...
At least here at 3QC, when there is a disagreement, it brings about constructive and respectful discussion. Unlike some forums where everybody become huge douchebags and start name calling at the least provocation. cough Orlando Sentinel cough
by funny80sguy on Jan 27, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the writters there....
but the commenting is terrible.
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by UNFNOLE on Jan 27, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
That’s how most mainstream forums are, though.
I wouldn’t really call us mainstream .. which is a good thing, IMO.
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by erivera7 on Jan 27, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say let Turk opt out this year and let him go.
We will handicap ourselves if we re-sign him and can’t afford any other players without going into the luxury threshold. We have five unrestricted and two restricted free agents not including Turk this year (if Cookie and No Neck opt out). If Turk gets too expensive, how will we replace the other seven players while staying under the cap. He will leave us strapped. I say if we trade him, let it be for a back up point and a power forward (starter with expiring contract also) to get us over the hump to win this thing. Anyone out there that fits the bill?
by hevchv on Jan 28, 2009 12:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They’ll never get those contract from anyone else.
I still think it’s as likely that Hedo resigns with us for a slight discount on his true, free agent value, and tries to chase a championship. I think he could get $50/5 on the free market – if we offer $42.5/5 I think (hope?) he’d take it.
by eltharion_doa on Jan 28, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you admitting that the championship wouldnt come this year....
If that’s true, then is it worth bringing the SAME team back?
I love the fact that as Magic fans we are debating ‘getting over the hump.’ It’s been a long time.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they definitely won't
However I do think it handcuff’s us greatly if we sign Turk.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree. I think it'd be best for the Magic to just sign him to a 3-year deal.
As Ben suggested .. that way the team doesn’t run the risk of strapping themselves for the foreseeable future.
But obviously, Hedo probably wouldn’t agree do that type of contract. I see this situation playing out a lot like the Posey ordeal in Boston .. where they refused to sign Posey long-term given his age.
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by erivera7 on Jan 28, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boozer
Will verbally agree, and then go to another team :)
I do wonder if Amare will be dealt. It seems as if the PHX fans are more dissatistfied with him than the front office is.
by Marie on Jan 28, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hometown boy too, right?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Went to Cypress Creek High School.
Saw him play a few times when I was in high school .. just an absolute beast.
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by erivera7 on Jan 28, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I had a buddy that would go out there
just to watch him.
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by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to to the DR. Phillips YMCA and play on Sat nights for midnight ball.
Got dunked on three times by him. He actually apologized once while he was still hanging on the rim. Should I have kicked him?
by hevchv on Feb 2, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure that would have went over well with Amare.
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by erivera7 on Feb 2, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
I’m not saying a more traditional style won’t get us over the hump, I’m saying that none of us have any idea what the Magic will look like playing a more conventional style. Hedo has been here since this team started to develop, we’ve always had him in our system. The last time they tried to play with a true pf along with Dwight they went 40-42 I believe. Even with a dominant power foward, I doubt we will have an edge over Boston or Cleveland.
Orlando plays an unorthodox style because we start Hedo and Rashard. If they were to try and play like Boston or Cleveland they would get beat. Orlando’s style gives them the edge, sort of like the Sun’s style gave them an edge the past five years. Did they win it all, no. At least they had a shot.
Without Hedo, this team will look completly different. Whether you think that is good or bad, don’t tell me that trading him can be a good thing when NO ONE has any idea how it will turn out. None of us have a clue, nor does Otis for that matter.
by magic fanatic on Jan 28, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hate when people decide to
live in mediocrity (or in this case, the 2nd teir) because they are afraid of the unknown. You right there is no sure thing in trade Hedo. However, there is no sure thing in keeping Hedo. Do you know how long Hedo is going to stay at this level of play? Do you know if he is going to improve or decline next season?
The basis of your argument is flawed and that is what drives teams into mediocrity.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Basis of my argument is flawed if...
We were in the second tier. I don’t think we are at all. I think we are capable of winning a championship this season and we shouldn’t give up on that because Hedo might leave or he’ll decline. Why go down a dark path when the one you are on is so bright?
by magic fanatic on Jan 29, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, partly.
Yes, the Magic are a championship caliber team, as currently constructed. But for me personally, if there is a deal out there Orlando can execute that can theoretically bring a player a notch below Amare’s or Boozer’s caliber (since the team can’t net them specifically), I’d be open to the possibility .. depending on the player.
If GM Otis Smith can’t find that deal, then by all means shore up the back-up PG spot and play the current cards being dealt.
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by erivera7 on Jan 29, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's impossible to predict how the team would play with a guy like .. Boozer or Amare.
You can’t compare the Magic years ago when they had freakin’ Milicic alongside Dwight. That’s just a terrible argument to make in trying to determine whether or not Orlando is suited to a more traditional style of play. First off, Dwight has improved/matured since then. Also, Milicic isn’t exactly a world-class PF. Place a much better PF alongside Dwight and then see what happens ..
I will say this .. it’ll be interesting to see how GM Otis Smith transitions the team once Hedo & Rashard begin to age. They’re both already 29, so they’re only going to be able to play at a high-level for a few more years before they begin to decline. With that said, is it worth re-signing Hedo because of this fact? That’s the tough question Otis is going to have to answer soon .. I say yes, but only for 3 years max .. anything longer, and I think that’s going to be a mistake for the franchise.
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by erivera7 on Jan 28, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I would hardly call Darko a “dominant” power forward.
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by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe a younger, quicker Battie played alongside Dwight
Darko came off the bench
by magic fanatic on Jan 29, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Darko did start at times .. 16x to be exact, in 2006.
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by erivera7 on Jan 29, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland and Boston don't play a like..
One has 3 Hall of Famers and other has the best player in the league..
You win with different styles.
Orlando can win the whole thing by playing good D, shooting a solid %, and Dwight Howard playing to his potential on offense.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 28, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
There is a first time for everything. The spread offense had to start somewhere. However, history has given us examples of what works and what doesn’t. Traditionally, shooting 3’s and not getting rebounds does not pan out in the playoffs.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
by UNFNOLE on Jan 28, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4th in Rebounds and 5th in blocks
We just have to play our game. We looked lost, acutally scared vs. Boston last week. It was good game for us, humbling game, especially for Dwight.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 28, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4th on DEFENSIVE rebounds to be specific.
The Magic are 26th in offensive rebounds, that’s why the rebounding differential is so small. It was -0.1 but now it’s on the positive side of 0 after the Pacers game last night.
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by erivera7 on Jan 28, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right
Your right that is going to happen when you have 4 guys standing on the perimeter.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 28, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, that's definitely a reason for the low offensive rebounding totals.
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by erivera7 on Jan 29, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Hedo leaves..
I say we sig one of these players-
Drew Gooden
Brandon Bass
Marcus Williams
Chris Wilcox
Brevin Knight
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 28, 2009 8:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No .. on any of those players.
Out of all of them .. Brandon Bass is a nice player and certainly has potential, but he’s not good enough to replace a player of Hedo’s caliber. He’s an undersized PF and I think he’d be best served as a primary player coming off the bench. Not as a player starting ..
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by erivera7 on Jan 28, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some of the players
Fill holes like back-up PG. I am not saying we should replace Hedo, but if he Opts out and gets cashed out what can you do? Getting a big-man who can rebound next to Howard will improve our team defense. Rashard and Hedo are the same player. You could win a lot games with starting
Jameer
Pietrus
R.Lewis
Chris Wilcox/Drew Gooden
Dwight Howard
You would still have plenty of shooters coming of the bench.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Jan 28, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, again .. I'm not a fan of Wilcox or Gooden.
Wilcox is a terrible defender and a limited player offensively. Unless he’s literally 5 feet from the basket, he’s completely ineffective on offense. He’d be way too much of a liability for the Magic. No dice.
As for Gooden, he brings some decent skills to the table .. he certainly would help out the rebounding situation for Orlando, as well as provide a little versatility on offense. But he’s an inconsistent defender and I think he would drive SVG to near insanity with some of the dumb mistakes he makes. Decent player, but .. the Magic can find a better option, IMO.
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by erivera7 on Jan 29, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Allright
it looks like the Mavs want another SG….optionnnss???
by fwedo on Jan 29, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bogans, Cook, and Redick to Dallas for Bass, Stackhouse, and Cash
The cash the Magic receive covers Stackhouse’s buyout. Bass is a solid, young, workmanlike PF.
The Magic really need a backup PG, and Barea is tempting, but his BYC status makes him difficult to trade, and I doubt the Mavs want to dump their best backup PG, considering Kidd’s age.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 29, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a neat tool.
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by UNFNOLE on Jan 29, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it but i don't love it
just wondering, really but with Stackhouse’s PER so low, is this more about getting Bass? and do you think stackhouse would just do better overall with more minutes?
by fwedo on Jan 29, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's about getting Bass. At least, I'm assuming given how Ben laid out the possible trade.
But I’d be shocked if the Mavs made that deal ..
Bass > everyone else in that deal.
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by erivera7 on Jan 29, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Mavs aren't stupid. They wouldn't make that deal.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 29, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Mavs have proven to be stupid before (see Jason Kidd trade).
But yeah, don’t think they would be stupid in this instance.
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by erivera7 on Jan 29, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Bass is the centerpiece; Stackhouse would be bought out or stashed at the end of the bench
Stack’s done, frankly. I don’t think he can contribute very much anymore, so giving him minutes doesn’t make much sense.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 29, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about this post...
When I posted my other one. Still, it’s intriguing. Elton Brand for Turk is another option.
by Jaceman on Feb 4, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs


















