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3QC Mid-Season Awards: Most Disappointing Player

Since half of the season has gone by for the Orlando Magic, it's time to present the inaugural Third Quarter Collapse Mid-Season Awards. Instead of conducting a regular poll, we at 3QC have decided for you to vote and comment which Magic player you feel is most deserving of each award. 


Who do you feel is the Most Disappointing Player?

The results will be compiled & announced on Sunday. 

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If you're going to be consistent . . .

Shouldn’t this category be: "3QC Mid-Season Awards: Most Disappointing Player (Except Anthony Johnson)

I’m sure AJ will win this one, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say Brian Cook. I was optimistic that he was going to make a solid contribution from the bench this year, but this guy is so desperate to come up a role for himself on this team that he even tried his hand at being an enforcer (to laughable results . . . although I did appreciate his attempt).

by funny80sguy on Jan 21, 2009 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

J.J. Redick

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 21, 2009 2:40 AM EST reply actions  

Brian Cook

Considering we traded a rotation player on a playoff team for him, I figured he’d appear in at least half our games.

by Evan Dunlap on Jan 21, 2009 4:10 AM EST reply actions  

Absolutely Terrible.

He has my vote.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Jan 21, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Does Brian really get a chance though?

Nobody is going to tear it up averaging <2 minutes a game. He wasn’t given a fair chance this year, nothing he can do about appearing in games if he keeps receiving DNPs.

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"Shoot first, ask questions last" Jameer Nelson

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 21, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

True....

but when you think he is going to come in and contribute (and are told this) and hasn’t earned minutes (Ask Courtney….this is possible)…..that’s a disappointment.

I would also throw in Tony Batiie into this argument. The dude gets plenty of minutes and the only stat he contributes is rebounds (which is still minimal, and at his size…expected).

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Jan 21, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll second the JJ Redick vote.

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by NBR on Jan 21, 2009 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

AJ

For a rotation player to produce so little….

by FLYNN47 on Jan 21, 2009 7:45 AM EST reply actions  

You would have to add in Foyle

into that equation. I mean the guys numbers have plummeted and as a result a loss in minutes.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Jan 21, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean I know Gortat

has come in strong and provides a viable backup to Howard.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Jan 21, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Keith Bogans

just not producing the same consistency he was last year

by TheGiantSquid on Jan 21, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Pietrus

I’d say AJ but he stepped it up when Nelson was out so he gets a pass from me. Pietrus though, through no fault of his own, has not made the impact I thought he would. The injury bug is at fault here but it still stands.

'Coach, Dwight is a nice guy. Dwight don't hit anybody. But Superman will knock the crap out of you.' - D12

by Eyriq the Red on Jan 21, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Keith Bogans

I never liked him anyway, but he has been really awful for stretches this year.

by SeventhDegree on Jan 21, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

AJ

Sports Picks 365
"Shoot first, ask questions last" Jameer Nelson

by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 21, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

JJ

He had his chance in the beginning to really take the back-up SG spot. He has been playing better recently, but I was expecting more from him.

by L Magico on Jan 21, 2009 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

Tough call, but I'll go with Bogans.

He’s having an off-year by his standards. Possessing a career-low in PER this season so far (8.7). 2nd-to-last on the team in eWins [statistic used on the APBRmetrics forums] (0.7). Obviously those statistics don’t tell the whole story, but they’re a decent barometer to measure how bad Bogans has been this season.

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by erivera7 on Jan 21, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Keith Bogans

Half of his 3’s are not even contested. At least with AJ we knew what sort of inconsistency we were getting ourselves into.

by milogoestovalencia on Jan 21, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

Beetlejuice, I mean no-neck, I mean . . .

. . .AJ of course! He is slow, sloppy and a liability on offense AND defense! I had very low expectations for him and he’s failed to meet even those! He’s the only Magic player that makes me hold my breath until he’s out of the game. I was SHOCKED to see that he could still dunk!

by blue-blood on Jan 21, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

He's almost as ugly as

Joe Wolf was……..almost.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Jan 22, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

AJ.

Too many Big Macs.

by sdquinn on Jan 21, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Two words

Fran Vazquez, imagine danny granger at the three

"Iron man, iron man, does what an iron man can"

by pieful35 on Jan 21, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

AJ

If you're not having fun, stop participating.

by redandblue on Jan 21, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely Bogans.

I don’t know why so many people have a problem with Johnson. Yeah, he can’t shoot — but he also has the sense to not shoot. Who’d you rather have — a 35% shooter attempting 4 shots a game and focusing on his job, or a 39% shooter averaging 7 shots a game in the same time (like Daniel Gibson in Cleveland)?

And he’s a strong distributor. He’s got more assists than the backup PGs for Boston, Cleveland, the Lakers, or San Antonio — and this despite the facts that the Magic as a team don’t generate a lot of assists, and that he gives up further assists to Hedo.

Johnson’s not flashy, and he’s not brilliant, but he’s a playable backup PG who knows how to locate the open man and get him the ball. That’s more than I can say for House in Boston, Hill in San Antonio, Gibson in Cleveland, or Jordan Farmar in LA, all of whom are constantly chucking a bunch of low-percentage shots.

Bogans, though — I don’t know what’s happened to the man’s shot. Mind you, he’s still a strong defender, and if push came to shove, I’d still play him over Redick. But with Lee out there and Pietrus coming back, we don’t really need to worry too much about that decision.

by 3.3seconds on Jan 22, 2009 6:36 AM EST reply actions  

.. you make a valid point, but A.J. is not a playable back-up PG.

PER
8.8 (2nd worst on team)
ORtg
100 (4th worst on team)
DRtg
104 (3rd worst on team)
Win Shares
1.1 (t-5th worst on team)

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by erivera7 on Jan 22, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, his PER is low… but that’s the flaw in PER. PER is a useful guideline when trying to figure out a player’s raw talent level, but doesn’t take into account what the player is doing for the team. PER doesn’t recognize that, for example, shooting isn’t part of Johnson’s game, and any shots the guy does take are either because a play broke down, or he’s trying to keep defenders honest. So of COURSE they’re going to be low-percentage, and he’s going to get penalized for that — but again, taking 7 shots a game at 40% is just as bad as taking 4 at 35%. Worse, even. PER won’t reflect that.

PER also doesn’t recognize that an assist every six minutes in a system like Orlando’s is a legitimate achievement, and a sign that the player is doing more effective ballhandling than the stats show. Like Nelson, Johnson orchestrates a lot of plays that don’t net him anything statistically. This fact also depresses his ORtg — a stat I don’t think maps very well to individual players anyway.

As for DRtg:

Johnson: 104
Daniel Gibson: 104
George Hill: 104
Eddie House: 101
Jordan Farmar: 105

And Win Shares — yeah, he’s tied for fifth worst on the team. That means there are either three or four worse players on the team.

I think the underlying message here is, there aren’t a lot of capable backup point guards out there to begin with. Most teams don’t have a backup point who can run the offense, shoot the ball, and play plus defense. (Heck, a lot of teams don’t have a STARTING PG who can do that.) So we’ve got Johnson: a guy who can’t shoot, can run an offense pretty well, and is mediocre on D. The alternative — and it’s kind of freakish how the Celtics, Lakers, Cavs, and Spurs all have basically the same guy — is a fairly prolific but low-percentage shooter who has no business running an offense and, again, is mediocre on D. Given the choice, I’ll take Johnson every time — running the offense is by far the most important job of a point guard. There’s nothing pretty about his game, but he is undeniably effective at that one thing.

Now, I’m not saying we’re set at backup point guard. Johnson’s passable, but not great. And over the offseason, I definitely think we should make an upgrade a priority - right after re-signing (or replacing) Turk and Gortat. I am, however, saying that a lot of the names that have been floated about — CJ Watson? Crittenton? — have shown no aptitude for running an offense. (Watson can’t even average an assist every 10 minutes on a Warriors team that is the polar opposite of the Magic in terms of how many assists there are to go around; Crittenton looks for all the world like the real descendent of the Jeryl Sasser/Reece Gaines school of oversized and ineffective point guards.)

I’m also saying that the point guard position is a delicate thing — and given how well things have been going for the Magic as a whole, I think it would be insane to disrupt our distribution scheme halfway through the season by bringing in a new guy, especially if he’s not a clear and proven improvement as a passer. That’s a desperation move. What need do we have to be desperate about? Give me a guy who averages more assists per minute than Johnson, and maybe I’d consider it. But why take a risk for a guy who may well turn out to be a downgrade?

by 3.3seconds on Jan 22, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent post.

- Both PER & ORtg are good barometers of how efficient a player is offensively. You make some valid points that there are inconsistencies in both metrics. It’s true, there are some flaws but nevertheless, both statistical measures provide a fairly accurate picture of how poorly A.J. has performed this season offensively.

- You also make a valid, and correct, point that the number of quality back-up PG’s in the league is low. Certainly true. However, A.J. feeds into the lack of quality. There’s no way to really deny that point.

- A reason why a guy like C.J. Watson doesn’t get a lot of assists is because a.) the Dubs play an inefficient style of basketball, considering how poorly they perform defensively b.) the Dubs play a TON of one-on-one basketball, hence eliminating assist opportunities. The way Golden State plays, that’s not a fair assessment to judge Watson’s capability to run an offense .. because quite frankly, the Dubs don’t really run an organized offense to begin with. Watson’s assist totals are a bit misleading as a result.

- I agree that it’ll be tough for the Magic to upgrade its back-up PG position because chemistry, character, all those intangibles need to be taken into account. But if Otis can find a way to upgrade the position this season, then he should do so.

Anyways .. quite the post. Well done.

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by erivera7 on Jan 23, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Pietrus

Since I never liked that guy when he was in Golden State, so I expected this coming in. Same with No Neck. My vote goes to Keith Bogans.

"Poor guy is probably out there without a flipper, swimming around in a circle, freaking out his whole family."

by Marie on Jan 22, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

It's got to be Pietrus

As much as I can’t stand the utter garbage play at back-up point by AJ, we didn’t spend our entire mid-level on the guy. To be paying Pietrus $5 million plus and see so little from him this award HAS TO be his. At least AJ can stay on the court.

by pharmgreens on Jan 22, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

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