The Only Trick In The Bag For The Orlando Magic That Isn't Working
It's tough to really complain about anything that's happening in a city home to Disney World, because at this point, Orlando fans are enjoying what's been a magical ride so far this season.
So what's harder to believe?
The fact the Magic are 33-8, or the fact that the team can still get better?
It's improbable to think that an Orlando squad, after making heads turn by defeating each of the divisional leaders in the Western Conference on its recent road trip, can still improve. But it's true.
As great as Orlando has been this year, there is a chink in the armor that needs to be fixed by general manager Otis Smith. And no, that chink is NOT the lack of depth at the big man positions. The lone hole on the team is at a position many Magic fans have been accustomed to hearing/reading/seeing being preached as a weakness for the past few years. It's the point guard spot (surprise!). However, this time good ol' Jameer Nelson isn't the problem. So who's the culprit?
'No Neck' Johnson. Or simply Anthony Johnson, for short.
To the casual observer, one wouldn't think Johnson would be a black hole of sorts for a team. Johnson has always been known to be a solid back-up/fill-in starter for a respective squad. Until this year.
Unfortunately for the Magic, Johnson has been nothing as advertised when he signed with the team during the off-season.
"Anthony addresses our need for depth at the point guard position," said Smith. "He is a veteran leader who has played in the NBA Finals. We are happy to add Anthony to the Magic family."
Too bad Smith didn't get the memo that Johnson hasn't fixed the problem.
How bad has Johnson been?
Click after the jump to see the results.
Minutes Per Game
18.6
PER
8.8 (2nd worst on team)
Offensive Rating
100 (4th worst on team)
Defensive Rating
104 (3rd worst on team)
Win Shares
1.1 (t-5th worst on team)
Pretty bad, I know. It comes to no surprise, then, that opponents lick their chops when Johnson enters the game for Nelson, given the statistics shown above. Johnson makes life easier for an opposing team because a.) he presents no credible threat on offense and b.) he presents less resistance on defense.
Why has Nelson been so bad this season? Might just have to blame it on old age (Johnson is 34) & declining skills.
With all that said, isn't there another player out there that Orlando could pursue via trade to help shore up the team's back-up point guard position?
Definitely. His name? C.J. Watson.
Magic fans may not be familiar with this player, but that's to be expected. Watson isn't exactly a household name, yet.
A quick bio on Watson is that he is a 24 year old back-up point guard for the Golden State Warriors. However, given the fact Warriors head coach Don Nelson has a 7-8 man rotation most nights, Watson gets a starter-like minutes anyway as a reserve (for the year, Watson is averaging roughly 27 minutes a night).
Plus, Watson has a cap-friendly contract (getting paid only $711,517 this year).
Watson's skill-set is solid. Watson more of a shoot-first point guard than a pass-first point guard, but he's a point guard nonetheless. Think 'in-his-prime' Kings point guard Bobby Jackson, and you basically have the gist of the type of player Watson is.
Statistically, Watson is having a solid year for the Warriors.
Minutes Per Game
26.7
PER
13.8
Offensive Rating
111
Defensive Rating
114
Win Shares
1.5
One may notice that Watson's Defensive Rating is a bit high, but this statistic is skewed for two reasons. First, Nelson-coached teams play absolutely no defense (Warriors are 30th in defensive efficiency this year). Second, Nelson-coached teams play at an extremely high pace (Warriors are 1st in Pace this year).
So what would happen if Watson were to play on the Magic? Would he be as much of a defensive liability with Orlando as he is with Golden State? Maybe, but most likely not. Given the fact Orlando head coach Stan Van Gundy does an excellent job of teaching team defense, it's fair to say Watson would benefit playing in a stifling defensive scheme. Having Dwight Howard clean up the mess helps too in case Watson blows an assignment.
The fact that C.J. Watson would be able to bring an added dimension offensively off the bench (on the cheap, too), as opposed to Anthony Johnson, makes him a desirable candidate for general manager Otis Smith to possibly pursue.
So for a quick FAQ.
What type of trading chips do the Magic have currently?
2009 1st Rd. pick
2009 2nd Rd. pick*
SG Keith Bogans ($2,911,600)
SG J.J. Redick ($2,139,720)
PF Brian Cook ($3,500,000)
What would it take to acquire Watson?
Tough call. Nelson loves to play small and space the floor with shooters, so certainly expendable players like Bogans, Redick, and Cook fit the profile. However, in the case of Cook, his conditioning would need to improve so that he could survive playing on an uptempo team.
Other than that, the PLUS factor in this scenario is Watson's contract ($711,517). It's cheap and makes a trade easy to accomplish.
Finally, Golden State's payroll is roughly $66.5 million (luxury tax this year is $71.15 million) so since the Warriors are over the cap ($58.68 million) but under the luxury tax, both teams would have to make salaries almost match for a trade to be possible.
With all that said, imagine you're the general manager for the Magic. What trade offer would you make to the Warriors for C.J. Watson? If you'd like, explain your rationale in the comments section.
*as it stands, it's quickly becoming apparent Orlando will NOT have this pick available for trade. Click here to get the run-down on why.
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Your trade proposal makes plenty of sense from the Magic's perspective
Anthony Johnson is undoubtedly the weakest member of the Magic’s rotation and, in any case, the Magic would ideally have three PGs on their roster. C.J. Watson would qualify as a massive upgrade over Johnson, probably benefiting our team. One caveat here is that Jameer has played well in part because he is no longer looking over his shoulder; we don’t want to use our limited trading tools to create a threat to Jameer’s security.
More generally, I would caution against focusing on any particular trade when it’s pie-in-the-sky brainstorming. The Magic ideally would improve their backup PG position, but there are various ways to achieve that goal (and competing goals, like team chemistry, that may trump this one). Watson would be great, but we have little sense of what Golden State would want in exchange for Watson. Other teams might have backup PGs available at a lower price.
So while I agree that backup PG is a problem for the Magic and that Watson would address that problem, he is not the only solution. (Recall some Magic fans’ near-obsession with Javaris Crittenton.)
Just my thoughts.
by gift of the magi on Jan 18, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Given how well Jameer has been playing this season, I doubt he'd be 'threatened' by Watson.
Sure, C.J. is a nice player, but Nelson > Watson. There’s no dispute there.
And I agree, Watson isn’t the only solution to the problem, but he’s definitely one of the BEST solutions to the problem give his age/contract/skillset.
Obviously chemistry will play a role determining which player GM Otis Smith may target at the deadline, but we’re talking about a back-up PG here. Unless it’s Starbury, there really isn’t much that a back-up PG can do to screw things up. His playing time will be limited and his clout in the locker room will be nearly non-existant. C.J. will surely know his role on the team and trust me .. to go from a team going nowhere to a team going somewhere, I can guarantee Watson will do whatever is ask of him.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All points well taken...
…Let’s see if Otis makes a play to upgrade the backup PG position.
by gift of the magi on Jan 18, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. We shall see.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's terrible.
The fact Watson has more Win Shares than No Neck, despite the fact Golden State has ONLY WON 12 GAMES, shows how pathetic Johnson has been this season.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Neck's ineffectiveness is no news to me
He did play in Dallas, after all, and I was happy to see him gone, only to have the happiness to be short-lived since he ended up in Orlando.
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by Marie on Jan 18, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
True, but I think it's important to point out how bad he's been.
Just to put things in perspective for Magic fans.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt the Warriors would take on
Cook’s 3.5 million or Bogan’s 3 million, they just aren’t great enough upgrades for their team. I also don’t think the Magic aren’t ready to give up on J.J. as he’s starting to shoot lights out and play a quality reserve SG role. The magic also won’t give up a 1st round pick for Watson and they shouldn’t. I don’t see the Magic/Warriors making a deal midseaosn.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
are ready*
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way erivera, fresh home from watching my pirates get smashed by the huskies
not pretty. Kemba Walker is going to be an absolute force for years to come in the NCAA, hopefully he doesn’t leave for the league until at least after his junior year. He’s going to be fun to watch.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No shame in losing to UConn.
Sorry to hear Seton Hall lost.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah, no shame at all.
Kinda sucks they’re 0-5 in the BE, and all 5 losses have come to ranked opponents. Just shows that the BE really could have a point made that they are the best conference in the HISTORY of college basketball. They could easily have 10 ranked teams (out of 25) at one point this season. That is just ludicrous. I should be thankful that the four years I attended SHU (2003-2007) they qualified for the big dance twice, despite never being pre-season ranked higher than 13th in the BE every one of those years.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and in 2004 they even beat Zona in the first round
before the much hated at the time and now beloved, J.J. Redick went off, bouncing them out in the second round.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW. Anyone see that block by Hank Baskett?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed the GRIZ are looking to buy-out Stevie Franchise...
‘Hey Otis! Are you interested?’…
Otis?….Hello, Otis?…..
Steve Francis…..remember him?
He was this guy who used to play for us…..oh, forget it…..
by FLYNN47 on Jan 18, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Francis. No Marbury. No thanks.
Darrel Armstrong however, after he single handedly whooped us last year, I would bring him back in a SECOND. He’s hardly playing for NJ, what do you think it would take to wrestle him away?
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Cook for Armstrong?
Nets still have an OUTSIDE shot of getting that 8 seed in the east, they could use Cook’s perimeter shooting.
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol he must be retired.
The game log I’m looking at, just realized it was from 2008. Even better, we can lure him out of retirement and he can retire as a Magic!
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by DieSlowKeyshawn on Jan 18, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the idea of bringing Armstrong back to Orlando. I thought he played good basketball last season for a third string point guard, so I think he can still play despite his advanced years.
I’ve been surprised nobody signed him. He wants to return. He did that mini-workout in Phoenix just before Christmas when the Suns looked at 6 point guards and choose Dee Brown, so clearly he wants to play.
I think his leadership and his contagious energy would be great additions.
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by NBR on Jan 19, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love D.A., the Magic don't need him.
He provides excellent intangibles to the table, but his time has come & gone.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Francis isn't the solution. Neither is Armstrong.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wanna specify, that i was completely joking about my previous post…in case that one wasn’t obvious!
About the only thing worse the team could do for its chemistry would be to bring in Francis AND Marbury to re-try the Knicks backcourt idea!
by FLYNN47 on Jan 18, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah. Yeah .. that would be disastrous. I'm sure SVG would have a heart attack dealing with both of them.
I agree with you, though, when it comes to joking around .. it’s hard to tell when someone is being sarcastic in a comment unless it’s blatantly obvious.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
Golden State’s payroll is roughly $66.5 Mill. (luxury tax this year is $71.15 Mill.) so it’s possible the Magic could swap a pick and/or either Bogans, Redick, or Cook without having to take on an additional player from the Warriors to make salaries match.
You’re confusing the salary cap with the luxury tax. Being under the cap allows you to not have to match salary in a trade, not being under the tax.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, your right. Not sure why I didn't catch that mistake.
Thanks for the heads up, I corrected the paragraph.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't see why GS would do trade
for Watson when Williams is the player they are trying to get rid of. Ellis’ return would probably speed up their evaluation process and maybe try to get something for Watson if they decide to trade him. But they are more likely to get rid of Williams for probably nothing if they can find any takers.
We have to hold on to our draft picks because its going to be the best way to add to our expensive team. Our starters are locked up except for Hedo but draft picks are the best way to add talent on the cheap. Definitely would not trade a 1st round pick for a backup player or rental.
I was hoping to see the Magic maybe give Dee Brown a chance but the Magic don’t seem interested. Ramon Sessions, Luther Head, and Travis Diener are guys I wouldn’t mind Otis making a deal for.
by L Magico on Jan 18, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Magic shouldn’t trade their 1st for someone like Watson. I merely mentioned the picks as collateral that can be used to acquire a piece in a trade, in general.
You never know how Nellie will be feeling tomorrow or a month from now. He’s definitely coaches on a whim, so even though Watson may have value for the Warriors now .. that may not be the case in a few weeks.
At this point, Sessions may get moved to Memphis. There have been continual talks between the Bucks/Grizz that may see Sessions get moved .. even then, the Magic don’t have the pieces to acquire a guy like Sessions regardless. Additionally, even if the Magic were to somehow acquire Sessions, that wouldn’t bode well for Nelson’s confidence as previously mentioned .. given the fact Sessions can ball and would want some PT.
Don’t see Luther being moved .. Diener is a possibility but he’s way too much of a defensive liability. Doubt he’d be much of an improvement over Anthony Johnson, even though Diener is a slightly better offensive player.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now I may be crazy but, does anyone elsle think . . .
. . . that Lee has the skills (aka handle) to take up some minutes as a backup PG? I, like everyone else here, love what he brings to our team and would hate to impede his development by playing him out of position BUT . . .
IF he was capable of running the point some as a back up then it could solve 3 problems for the Magic:
1- The Magic could split most of AJ’s minutes between Lee and Turk and he’d rarely have to play.
2- That would help with the log jam that we’ll have at SG once Peitrus returns and allow JJ to continue to grow and show/prove what he can do for our team.
3- It’d give us some size at the point which would be great when coupled with Lee’s D.
Maybe this is WAAAY too much to expect from Lee but a guy can dream can’t he?
VOTE FOR JAMEER & GO MAGIC!!!
by blue-blood on Jan 18, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve gotta say….its not the worst idea i’ve ever heard…..
If Turk can play out of position and do it, i guess why not Lee?
by FLYNN47 on Jan 18, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks . . .
. . . but I wonder if this is something the Magic have even considered or does Lee lack the handle to even consider this an option? It’s a hard question for me to answer because he isn’t really asked to handle the ball in that way as a SG.
IMO, he couldn’t possibly be much worse than AJ who (as someone else astutely noted) can barely bring the ball across the mid-court line without backing it down! Also, I think he definitely has the Bball IQ to handle the position (even as a rook) as his evidenced by his veteran-like, pump-fake moves and very few rookie blunders.
Who knows, maybe we will see him at the point some, one day?
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by blue-blood on Jan 18, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lee has shown he's capable of handling some PG duties.
That’s certainly a possibility if the Magic are unable to acquire an outside piece via trade. Lee wouldn’t need to do anything special, just take on additional PG duties for 5-10 minutes a game (Hedo could help out too). I’m sure SVG could make something work if it came down to that scenario.
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by erivera7 on Jan 18, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Down the road, I think Lee could play the point
Right now, it’s probably best for the Magic to give him one role—starting shooting guard—and let him stick with it. Get him comfortable there, really comfortable, and then try to ease him into playing a handful of backup PG minutes, if needed.
by Ben Q Rock on Jan 18, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point, but what happens with that plan when Pietrus returns? Does Lee go back to playing behing Mickael? does he keep his starting spot?
by FLYNN47 on Jan 19, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing SVG, Lee will remain the starting SG once Pietrus returns. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I know I just repeated what Ben said, but it’s worth saying again.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I'm writing this but Otis Smith is right.
Orlando should be in no hurry to add a point guard. Jameer is playing out of his mind this season and needs to get at least 30 minutes per game. Although Johnson has been a bit of a letdown, the Magic still have Turk and Courtney Lee. That gives them four capable point players. In a way, Turk is really your back-up PG because he handles the ball so much and has the ability to create just like a point. He’s a point forward, really. Lee, in my opinion, compares favorably to Brandon Roy, another big guard who has found success playing the point for Portland. As far as Lee being inexperienced, he did play four years at Western Kentucky where he carried a pretty successful mid-major team on his back. In today’s game, the majority of the first-round picks have a year of college under their belt, maybe two. He’s not even Orlando’s youngest player. That honor still belongs to Dwight Howard. An intriguing backcourt option would be Lee at the point and Peitrus (if he can ever get healthy) at the two. Now that would be a lockdown guard tandem. So unless the right situation presents itself, why run the risk of spoiling chemistry in the locker room and on the court.
by memphisjim on Jan 19, 2009 3:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jameer is going to get his minutes regardless of who's behind him.
All I’m saying is if Otis can upgrade A.J., he should. If not .. I agree it’s not the end of the world.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an idea
Bobby Jackson, Quincy Douby, Bobby Brown for Redick, Johnson, Cook and Orl’s 1st rounder. Whatcha think? (It’s a stretch, but Bobby Brown is at least in the same realm as CJ Watson, and the Kings may not want to give him up without anything reasonable coming back in return.)
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by pookeyguru on Jan 19, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt Orlando would do that trade.
Jackson, Douby, and Brown don’t provide the Magic an upgrade at all at the back-up point position.
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by erivera7 on Jan 19, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Kings guards are worth that much.
I’d remove the first round pick, I think the pick kills that deal. I don’t think I’d do the trade even without the pick included.
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by NBR on Jan 19, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crittenton?
How about trying to get Javaris Crittenton again?
Give up one of the team’s expiring contracts for one of their contracts that goes into next season, and in return take Crittenton back. The Wizards are around $8mil over the luxury tax next season if they fail to make a move, and they’ll likely need to give up a prospect (or Jamison) in order to move one of those contracts.
It may need another piece from Orlando’s side of the aisle to make it worthwhile for Washington. May also take a second contract after Cook to matchup salary wise. It could be an interesting situation though.
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by NBR on Jan 19, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I suggested Mike James and Critt
For Cook, Johnson and Redick on BF the other day. Also e-mailed BQR about it.
Thoughts?
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by Mike Prada on Jan 19, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Meant to be a reply to NBR.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 19, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that’s the type of deal that I was considering.
Do the salaries matchup without Anthony Johnson? I’m not sure SVG would want to play Mike James and I think it would be helpful for the Magic to have an alternative option at the point that they’re reasonably comfortable with while Javaris Crittenton continues to find his feet in the league (love his potential, current play shows good signs but is not yet good enough).
Hmmm, Ijust checked the salaries, Mike James is earning a little more than I remembered (thinking of Songaila’s per annum salary). Looks like AJ is needed there. Etan Thomas’ contract is larger.
I think it makes sense for Orlando except for that one element above. If the Magic rate Mike James highly enough to be that alternative point guard then I’d make that deal, if not, I wouldn’t because it’s an unnecessary added risk (Critt’s current level of performance) to their hopeful playoff run. I wouldn’t trust Mike James to be that player.
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by NBR on Jan 19, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm wrong but ..
.. at least, statistically, it doesn’t appear like Crittenton is doing much with the Wiz. He’s gotten PT but hasn’t really set the world on fire (8.2 PER total between Memphis/Washington). If this was the off-season, I’m sure I & the rest of the people in this community would have been on board for a trade like what you prescribed. But .. funny how things change couple months later.
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