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Off-Day Open Thread: Has Jameer Nelson Silenced His Critics?

Brief topic for discussion today (although if you'd rather talk about the Grant Hill trade rumor, that's obviously cool too): Jameer Nelson's stellar play of late. Here's something Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo! Sports pointed out yesterday:

Has anyone noticed that Jameer Nelson is having a better per-minute, pace-adjusted year than Derrick Rose? Just me? I'm the only one that cries? Heartless, people. Heartless.

The way K.D. phrases it makes it sound as though he's slighting Nelson, but that's not what I want to focus on. Instead: Jameer Nelson has been pretty flippin' good this year. His stats indeed compare favorably to Rose's, and he single-handedly revived a stagnant Magic offense in the third quarter Monday night by scoring 15 of his career-high-tying 32 points. Bradford Doolittle of Basketball Prospectus notes that Nelson is the Magic's most improved player so far, although he doubts Nelson will continue to shoot at his current clip. But even if Jameer's shooting percentage regresses toward the mean, haven't we seen enough of him this season to finally assert that he's a starting-caliber NBA point guard? Before the seasons, questions about Jameer's long-term viability as Orlando's starting point guard lingered. Well, we have our answer. We have the facts and we're voting yes.

For $7.7 million this year, the Magic are getting 15.9 points on 50.0% shooting to go with 5.3 assists and 1.4 steals from their starting point guard. They're also getting leadership--Nelson takes his team co-captaincy very seriously--and, lately, peace of mind knowing that their team is in good hands until at least 2012, at which point Nelson can opt-out of his deal.

Excluding the established Hall-of-Famers (Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Tony Parker, and Chris Paul) and the franchise-cornerstone types (Devin Harris, Rose, and Deron Williams), there are few better point guards in the NBA than Nelson. "Well, yeah," you might say, "if you don't count the people better than him, he's the best. Idiot." Fair enough, but the Magic don't expect Nelson to play at that high a level; their franchise is built around their center, not their point guard. Apart from Rajon Rondo, I'm hard pressed to think of any non-H-o-Fer/non-cornerstone point guard I'd rather have running my team than Nelson. He's come a long way from last February, for instance, when he recorded DNP-CDs while the Magic took their chances with Carlos Arroyo (currently out of the league) and Keyon Dooling (currently a back-up for the Nets) running the show.

I make this post while acknowledging I've made excuses for Jameer in the past, and have long been one of his staunchest supporters. It's nice to see my faith in him rewarded. And although I can't say for sure, I suspect Otis Smith feels the same way.

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He really turned it up on that road trip, for sure.

He’s playing into his contract, which is great. I’d maybe like to see him create a little bit more, up around the 7 assist mark, but it’s hard to be too critical of where’s he’s been at recently.

If he can find consistency, then we’re going to be in good shape. And if we get everyone firing in the one game, instead of having 2 or 3 players going well and 2 or 3 having bad days, we’re going to be really, really hard to beat…even for the “big three”.

But that’s a long way off yet. Suffice it to say this season’s cruising along nicely so far.

by eltharion_doa on Dec 17, 2008 8:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure he has played great. And for the price, you can’t top his production. The main problem is that the occasional 30 point game is his ceiling. There won’t be nights when he completely dismantles a team on both ends of the court like Rondo does from time to time, and at the end of the game we won’t be giving him the ball and asking him to go 90 feet and give us some points like the Bulls do with Derrick Rose. Taking a step back, what we have on our hands is third tier point guard who will steadily give us something like 16 and 6 for the next 5 years. My issue with the point guard situation is that we still haven’t solved the issue of getting a number 2 point guard so that our offense doesn’t die for those 15 minutes per night that Jameer rests. This season, the East point guard landscape is Harris and Rondo at the top, and then Calderon, Bibby, and Nelson after that. Being in the top 3rd is nothing to be ashamed of, but how much better would this team be if we had a player like Jason Terry or even Aaron Brooks coming off the pine?

by KingRobb02 on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely starting to find his game.

I think there are a lot of guards out there that should mold their games similar to Jameer Nelson’s. There are guards that I think have the potential to be that sort of quality starting PG that does the job (sort of like the Derek Fishers, Ron Harpers, and BJ Armstrongs of old), serviceable guys that come to mind, partially because of their experience, might be the older Derick Fisher, Steve Blake, or Anthony Carter. Of course, you can’t neglect Mike Bibby or Jose Calderon, as mentioned above. I believe those are two names that I would throw in the lump with Nelson at this point (of course Calderon having the ability to take it to the next step). There are also several point guards I can see making that jump but just haven’t quite found their game there yet, among those being Raymond Felton, Mike Conley, and Randy Foye. I believe that Ramon Sessions might get up there sometime too.

by Jaceman on Dec 17, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jameer has been great

And if he has reached the height of his potential, which is very possible, than so what. We don’t need an All Star point guard to win a championship, all we need is a point guard who can drive to the basket, feed the big man, and be a threat from three-point range. We have that now and it puts us in great shape.

In my eyes, Jameer took his game to a new level against Detroit in the playoffs last year. Rashard, Dwight, and Turk struggled and there were a c ouple of games that he willed us back into. He’s only the fourth best player on the team (maybe fifth when Pietrus is healthy again) but the guy has no problem picking up 11 guys and saying “we aren’t finished yet.” Thats the kind of point guard who can bring a championship to Orlando.

by magic fanatic on Dec 17, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Eh.

I’ve never liked him, but a lot of people do. Seemed unfair not to mention him in some capacity.

by Ben Q Rock on Dec 17, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is good to give him credit, but i don’t think he’s ‘Hall of Fame good’.

by FLYNN47 on Dec 18, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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